Oceania Decline

[njhorseman]

1 hour ago, ORV said:

You do know what Franck Garanger was doing before he went to EJ?

Making mased potatoes as I recall 😁

[Waltershipman]

17 hours ago, Hlitner said:

Awww, we were looking forward to your comparison.  Your silence (unless I missed something) is deafening.   We do have 3 reservations in each of the four alternative restaurants and expect it all to be fun....unless it is not.

 

Hank

Hank i did a detailed  comparison item by item on the EJ message board you  i suspect it is still  up  check it out

[Waltershipman]

17 hours ago, Hlitner said:

Awww, we were looking forward to your comparison.  Your silence (unless I missed something) is deafening.   We do have 3 reservations in each of the four alternative restaurants and expect it all to be fun....unless it is not.

 

Hank

Curently sailing on Oceanis Vista with some conclusions from my experiences as compared to Explora Journeys having sailed on EJ in October 2023. Both ships are new builds. One thing to remember is that much of what I am sharing is highly subjective and depends on ones tastes.


Vista operates top to bottom like a regular very nice cruise ship.  EJ is a cruise ship yet offering something very different more akin to a high end luxury hotel. Both ships lovely.

Food on EJ is best I've ever had at sea overall.

The ⁹Vista bed is better.

  Entertainment on Vista is better. EJ staff more personally focused and generally more attentive while Vista staff is cruise ship professional.

GDR is big beautiful loud and enjoyable on Vista while EJ intimate restaurants are tops. When we were on EJ it was less than half full so that may be hard to compare since Vista is full at 1200 pax. Embarkation on both ships excellent. On EJ no crew assistance at all when getting off and on ship and no assistance with info on how to get to a town or sites at ports.

Smoked salmon on Vista is better at least more to my tastes.
The poolside music on Vista is great and is wonderfully typical of big fun Carribean cruise

Bathrooms on entry level cabins are comparable although the cabin on E J is a bit larger and the extra 9 square feet is a big plus, plus the separate makeup  dressing area on EJ also big plus. Heated floor on EJ bathroom a real winner. Vista shower is excellent. The light on large mirror in bathroom on Vista has a secret button that even our cabin steward was not aware of that dims the light on mirror which is great to use instead of the blue night light in entry. Vista night light are less intrusive  than EJ floor lights that light at night

EJ feels more intimate and plush.
Announcements on Vista help organize the day better and they are not intrusive. No announcements on EJ along with far less info on ship activities and ports. .
More daily activities on Vista with beautiful string quartet playing at some bars and Tea time as well as pop music vocal group singing pop music.

A fellow CC passenger organized a meet and greet on Vista well-attended by over 40 CC passengers and it was great. Oceania provided snacks hors d'oeuvre extended happy hour and it was most enjoyable.

Vista has a large number of passegers requiring some type of mobility assistance while on our EJ cruise we saw no one that utilized mobility assistance.  Whether or not that is true for each sailing may differ for each ship. Overall older guests on Vista.

EJ is very well staffed. Vista is understaffed.

Emporium Marketplace on EJ is superb in every detail with attentive service and amazing food. Dinner at Emporium is truly outstanding. Terrace Cafe on Vista while adequate is understaffed at dinner. Terrace offers the more traditional cruise ship buffet which can also mean lines at stations making fresh cooked food items at all meal times. Both ships have similar bagels. I am told typical New York bagel is different. Aquamar is a nice healthy food restaurant open for breakfast and lunch on Vista that is very good and offers a quiet setting thats lovely.

Humphry Slocombe ice cream on board Vista remains an excellent addition.
Both ships have automatic sensors on public restrooms which is a plus. Vista has more in additional locations.

Vista cruise director and staff are warm welcoming and helpful as well as visible.
Shows on Vista done nicely with a comedian, some singers and well intentioned ensemble group of 12 capable young singers and dancers. EJ had the popular Billy Joel show and when we were on board we were fortunate to have Steinway piano shows and outstanding piano artists on board. Singers on EJ just OK.
Overall there is significantly more entertainment on Vista.

Polo Grill on Vista excellent and while many love Marble and Co on EJ we did not so much. Toscano on Vista was overall nice but no need to return. Mediterranean yatch club was enjoyed on EJ. Still have more restaurants to explore on Vista.

That's it for  now thanks. Still more days to cruise.
 

Sakura on EJ and Red Ginger on Vista are both similar in concept. Sakura is a bit broader in approach and menu. Wagu beef on EJ is extraordinary as was the sushi and a bit more smoky lamb. Red Ginger offers superb service in a 1st class setting with excellent food as well and a follow up visit is planned.

Have had some issues with EJ back of the house at EJ with paperwork et al and miscommunication. Have not had that issue with Oceania.  Tried to book EJ 2 for next year which was on sale 2 days ago at 35 % off  which was just reduced to 15 % discount. I missed it by 1 day and they will not extend the 35% discount.. Oh well that will be one cruise missed.

Everything is going well here on Vista with enjoyable food, nuce service and excellent entertainment

I have fully expressed overall thoughts and experiences on both ships. Have truly loved both experiences and both are radically different.  Both are incredibly beautiful ships with lovely capable talented crews with excellent service. In the end it comes down to doing the research making choices and both cruise experiences will provide exceptional cruise experiences. Tastes differ so check it out. Have fun

Be well all. Cruise well. Stay safe

All the best
Waltershipman

[Waltershipman]

Just now, Waltershipman said:

Curently sailing on Oceanis Vista with some conclusions from my experiences as compared to Explora Journeys having sailed on EJ in October 2023. Both ships are new builds. One thing to remember is that much of what I am sharing is highly subjective and depends on ones tastes.


Vista operates top to bottom like a regular very nice cruise ship.  EJ is a cruise ship yet offering something very different more akin to a high end luxury hotel. Both ships lovely.

Food on EJ is best I've ever had at sea overall.

The ⁹Vista bed is better.

  Entertainment on Vista is better. EJ staff more personally focused and generally more attentive while Vista staff is cruise ship professional.

GDR is big beautiful loud and enjoyable on Vista while EJ intimate restaurants are tops. When we were on EJ it was less than half full so that may be hard to compare since Vista is full at 1200 pax. Embarkation on both ships excellent. On EJ no crew assistance at all when getting off and on ship and no assistance with info on how to get to a town or sites at ports.

Smoked salmon on Vista is better at least more to my tastes.
The poolside music on Vista is great and is wonderfully typical of big fun Carribean cruise

Bathrooms on entry level cabins are comparable although the cabin on E J is a bit larger and the extra 9 square feet is a big plus, plus the separate makeup  dressing area on EJ also big plus. Heated floor on EJ bathroom a real winner. Vista shower is excellent. The light on large mirror in bathroom on Vista has a secret button that even our cabin steward was not aware of that dims the light on mirror which is great to use instead of the blue night light in entry. Vista night light are less intrusive  than EJ floor lights that light at night

EJ feels more intimate and plush.
Announcements on Vista help organize the day better and they are not intrusive. No announcements on EJ along with far less info on ship activities and ports. .
More daily activities on Vista with beautiful string quartet playing at some bars and Tea time as well as pop music vocal group singing pop music.

A fellow CC passenger organized a meet and greet on Vista well-attended by over 40 CC passengers and it was great. Oceania provided snacks hors d'oeuvre extended happy hour and it was most enjoyable.

Vista has a large number of passegers requiring some type of mobility assistance while on our EJ cruise we saw no one that utilized mobility assistance.  Whether or not that is true for each sailing may differ for each ship. Overall older guests on Vista.

EJ is very well staffed. Vista is understaffed.

Emporium Marketplace on EJ is superb in every detail with attentive service and amazing food. Dinner at Emporium is truly outstanding. Terrace Cafe on Vista while adequate is understaffed at dinner. Terrace offers the more traditional cruise ship buffet which can also mean lines at stations making fresh cooked food items at all meal times. Both ships have similar bagels. I am told typical New York bagel is different. Aquamar is a nice healthy food restaurant open for breakfast and lunch on Vista that is very good and offers a quiet setting thats lovely.

Humphry Slocombe ice cream on board Vista remains an excellent addition.
Both ships have automatic sensors on public restrooms which is a plus. Vista has more in additional locations.

Vista cruise director and staff are warm welcoming and helpful as well as visible.
Shows on Vista done nicely with a comedian, some singers and well intentioned ensemble group of 12 capable young singers and dancers. EJ had the popular Billy Joel show and when we were on board we were fortunate to have Steinway piano shows and outstanding piano artists on board. Singers on EJ just OK.
Overall there is significantly more entertainment on Vista.

Polo Grill on Vista excellent and while many love Marble and Co on EJ we did not so much. Toscano on Vista was overall nice but no need to return. Mediterranean yatch club was enjoyed on EJ. Still have more restaurants to explore on Vista.

That's it for  now thanks. Still more days to cruise.
 

Sakura on EJ and Red Ginger on Vista are both similar in concept. Sakura is a bit broader in approach and menu. Wagu beef on EJ is extraordinary as was the sushi and a bit more smoky lamb. Red Ginger offers superb service in a 1st class setting with excellent food as well and a follow up visit is planned.

Have had some issues with EJ back of the house at EJ with paperwork et al and miscommunication. Have not had that issue with Oceania.  Tried to book EJ 2 for next year which was on sale 2 days ago at 35 % off  which was just reduced to 15 % discount. I missed it by 1 day and they will not extend the 35% discount.. Oh well that will be one cruise missed.

Everything is going well here on Vista with enjoyable food, nuce service and excellent entertainment

I have fully expressed overall thoughts and experiences on both ships. Have truly loved both experiences and both are radically different.  Both are incredibly beautiful ships with lovely capable talented crews with excellent service. In the end it comes down to doing the research making choices and both cruise experiences will provide exceptional cruise experiences. Tastes differ so check it out. Have fun

Be well all. Cruise well. Stay safe

All the best
Waltershipman

Hank DW also tested positive for Covid the day we got off the ship i tested positive 5 days  later

 

Have fun 

 

Look forward to your posts

[IWantToLiveOverTheSea]

I got back a month ago from Riviera in Asia.  I noticed a few small things that had changed, or I suppose that could be called a decline.  But they were small.  Overall, the service and food were great.  The excursions seemed a little more ample and varied than before.  The wifi was solid, though of course there are always some places in the world, or some people in the world, that aren't happy about cruise line wifi.  The ship was beautiful and my room quite comfortable and quiet. The entertainment was OK.  The activities and lectures were great.  I didn't take a lot of ship excursions, but the ones I did take were quite good.  The ship was more crowded than I had experienced it before.  But the whole world is traveling now, and the cruise was sold out, so what can you do?  At least I didn't get Covid, or Norovirus, or anything like that, or get it after I got home, despite being face to face in Asia with a WHOLE lot of people for almost 20 days.  I had a wonderful experience. And while I absolutely love the smaller O ships like Sirena, I have to admit that Riviera kind of won me over.  

[Hlitner]

On 3/13/2024 at 8:07 PM, Waltershipman said:

Will be interested in your  comparison of food on O and food on EJ

 

Enjoy your  cruise 

While it will be interesting (at least to me) to compare O to EJ in terms of cuisine, we do need to consider that O and EJ are truly in different orbits.  EJ considers itself a very high end luxury product that tried to replicate fine land based resorts.  We are curious to see how O's cusine falls into somewhat of a continuum (for lack of a better term among lines such as Princess, EJ, Seabourn, HAL, etc.  No question that the cuisine on Explora Journey 1 was in a class seldom to never seen on cruise ships (except in a few extra priced alternative venues).  

 

Some O fans have claimed, for years, that O has the best food at sea.  My own quest is to either verify this claim (which would make me a very happy cruiser) or try to fit it among the various cruise lines (16 to date) on which we have cruised.

 

Hank

[Waltershipman]

6 minutes ago, Hlitner said:

While it will be interesting (at least to me) to compare O to EJ in terms of cuisine, we do need to consider that O and EJ are truly in different orbits.  EJ considers itself a very high end luxury product that tried to replicate fine land based resorts.  We are curious to see how O's cusine falls into somewhat of a continuum (for lack of a better term among lines such as Princess, EJ, Seabourn, HAL, etc.  No question that the cuisine on Explora Journey 1 was in a class seldom to never seen on cruise ships (except in a few extra priced alternative venues).  

 

Some O fans have claimed, for years, that O has the best food at sea.  My own quest is to either verify this claim (which would make me a very happy cruiser) or try to fit it among the various cruise lines (16 to date) on which we have cruised.

 

Hank

Agreed We found EJ to truly be the best at sea given our long cruise history as well. I do not think O is the best food at sea.  While totally enjoyable we found the specialty restaurants to be superior to the GDR.

 

I look forward to how you rank the food overall. 

 

Enjoy

[Hlitner]

1 minute ago, Waltershipman said:

Agreed We found EJ to truly be the best at sea given our long cruise history as well. I do not think O is the best food at sea.  While totally enjoyable we found the specialty restaurants to be superior to the GDR.

 

I look forward to how you rank the food overall. 

 

Enjoy

Me too LOL.  Not sure my waistline will be happy, but the fun of exploring O food is the main reason we booked the Vista.  Guess we better bring along some Tums :):

 

Hank

[njhorseman]

27 minutes ago, Hlitner said:

 

Some O fans have claimed, for years, that O has the best food at sea.

Can you point out who has said that in recent years?  I can't remember that claim being made anytime recently .

"The Finest Cuisine at Sea" is an Oceania registered trademark, not a statement of fact. It's purpose is for advertising purposes and is what is know as "puffery"...something quite common and legally permissible in advertising.

"The Ultimate Driving Machine" is a long-time registered trademark of BMW. Do you think that is any guarantee of a BMW's performance relative to other motor vehicles?

[clo]

41 minutes ago, njhorseman said:

Can you point out who has said that in recent years?  I can't remember that claim being made anytime recently .

"The Finest Cuisine at Sea" is an Oceania registered trademark, not a statement of fact. It's purpose is for advertising purposes and is what is know as "puffery"...something quite common and legally permissible in advertising.

"The Ultimate Driving Machine" is a long-time registered trademark of BMW. Do you think that is any guarantee of a BMW's performance relative to other motor vehicles?

Kinda like "BEST"?

[ak1004]

1 hour ago, njhorseman said:

Can you point out who has said that in recent years?  I can't remember that claim being made anytime recently .

"The Finest Cuisine at Sea" is an Oceania registered trademark, not a statement of fact. It's purpose is for advertising purposes and is what is know as "puffery"...something quite common and legally permissible in advertising.

"The Ultimate Driving Machine" is a long-time registered trademark of BMW. Do you think that is any guarantee of a BMW's performance relative to other motor vehicles?

Which cruise line would you consider having better cuisine than O?

[Waltershipman]

17 minutes ago, ak1004 said:

Which cruise line would you consider having better cuisine than O?

Explora journeys

[ak1004]

6 minutes ago, Waltershipman said:

Explora journeys

Except for EJ?

[Waltershipman]

4 minutes ago, ak1004 said:

Except for EJ?

SB had some excellent meals particularlyin the now replaced Thomas Keller venue. Polo Grill and Red Ginger on O rank in the higher end of cruise food. My DW likes Specialty restaurants on Celebrity Solstice.

Without doubt EJ is superior dining to all and comparable to high end land fine dining

Overall rank of O food is a B with Specialty dining B plus or A minus  but just my opinion 

 

Service excellent particularly in Specialty restaurants 

[ak1004]

6 minutes ago, Waltershipman said:

SB had some excellent meals particularlyin the now replaced Thomas Keller venue. Polo Grill and Red Ginger on O rank in the higher end of cruise food. My DW likes Specialty restaurants on Celebrity Solstice.

Without doubt EJ is superior dining to all and comparable to high end land fine dining

Overall rank of O food is a B with Specialty dining B plus or A minus  but just my opinion 

 

Service excellent particularly in Specialty restaurants 

 

Well, we haven't sailed on SB or EJ yet, so I cannot comment.

 

O was our first cruise line after sailing on mass market (Celebrity, Princess, HAL etc). I think food in the MDR is in a different league compared to MDR on the mass market lines (not suites). I agree that Specialty restaurants on Celebrity are pretty good, but they also cost extra.

 

Then we sailed on Azamara, Old Crystal and SS. I still think that O is marginally better than Crystal and SS, but again, that's my opinion. I know many people who sailed with Crystal and SS and still prefer O food, so I don't think I'm completely off.

 

Personally Red Ginger was my least favorite specialty restaurant, but it's because I like European food more than Asian. So it really comes to personal preferences. For example, I consider O rack of lamb one of the best I had in any restaurant, including some of the top rated restaurants on land.  

[Waltershipman]

5 minutes ago, ak1004 said:

 

Well, we haven't sailed on SB or EJ yet, so I cannot comment.

 

O was our first cruise line after sailing on mass market (Celebrity, Princess, HAL etc). I think food in the MDR is in a different league compared to MDR on the mass market lines (not suites). I agree that Specialty restaurants on Celebrity are pretty good, but they also cost extra.

 

Then we sailed on Azamara, Old Crystal and SS. I still think that O is marginally better than Crystal and SS, but again, that's my opinion. I know many people who sailed with Crystal and SS and still prefer O food, so I don't think I'm completely off.

 

Personally Red Ginger was my least favorite specialty restaurant, but it's because I like European food more than Asian. So it really comes to personal preferences. For example, I consider O rack of lamb one of the best I had in any restaurant, including some of the top rated restaurants on land.  

Did you like Azamara food. We sailed on Azamara however that was more than 7 years ago

[ak1004]

6 minutes ago, Waltershipman said:

Did you like Azamara food. We sailed on Azamara however that was more than 7 years ago

 

We did. Still much better than big ships, but not as good as O. But it was in 2019, so things might have changed.

 

I might be not the best person to ask because I like very specific food, and O fits my taste the best. But my wife agrees with me (well, kind of..)

[Waltershipman]

6 minutes ago, ak1004 said:

 

We did. Still much better than big ships, but not as good as O. But it was in 2019, so things might have changed.

 

I might be not the best person to ask because I like very specific food, and O fits my taste the best. But my wife agrees with me (well, kind of..)

We are thinking of exploring Azamara again as we did enjoy the cruise in so many ways 

[njhorseman]

51 minutes ago, ak1004 said:

Which cruise line would you consider having better cuisine than O?

I can't express an opinion  about cruise lines I haven't sailed on such as Seabourn, Crystal, Regent Seven Seas and Explora Journeys, but based on what I read and hear it's possible any of them may have better food. Obviously there won't be any uniformity of agreement on the issue as it's not a matter of fact but rather a matter of personal tastes and opinion.

 

But none of that is the point of my post. Let's say that hypothetically there were reasonably objective measures of which cruise line has the best food, and that cruise line wasn't Oceania. Oceania would still be able to use the advertising slogan "The Finest Cuisine at Sea" because it's a registered trademark despite it having extremely questionable validity. Should any intelligent consumer take the word of a trademarked advertising slogan as the gospel truth? It's advertising after all, not an immutable law of physics.

 

You know that O's food isn't objectively the best at sea...look at what you said in subsequent posts: (bold lettering is my editing addition)

22 minutes ago, ak1004 said:

Then we sailed on Azamara, Old Crystal and SS. I still think that O is marginally better than Crystal and SS, but again, that's my opinion

 

8 minutes ago, ak1004 said:

We did. Still much better than big ships, but not as good as O. But it was in 2019, so things might have changed.

 

I might be not the best person to ask because I like very specific food, and O fits my taste the best. But my wife agrees with me (well, kind of..)

 

[jaywoods678]

On 3/10/2024 at 4:09 PM, Hanoj said:

Decline seems widespread in the travel and hospitality industries, though it appears more acute with cruising since this form of travel/vacationing is more expensive compared to other modes, and the supply logistics are more problematic, thus affecting food quality (and quantities) in particular.

 

It feels like cruise patrons (across different lines and luxury categories) must expect less (to match expectations with present realities) but pay more. Not a great recipe for business success for what most consumers consider as discretionary consumption. This discretionary spending will manifest differently as some will cruise less frequently, some not all, and others will select lower cabin categories, shorter cruise durations, and or sail with different lines. It appears the present challenges will be met by more crossovers (between cruise lines and between vacation modes - land based vs cruise, etc) and thus less brand loyalty. Hopefully this will temper fare increases. We are definitely in this camp, and will probably be favoring more resort destinations, travelled to by plane or automobile. We plan to do more “tours” on such trips, especially when visiting a new locale. 
 

The timing of Oceania’s new Simply More campaign, regarded by some as a thinly veiled price increase initiative, in the current cruise “decline” climate may not have been the most astute. But, then, there seem to be many company executives, both with publicly owned and privately held companies of all sizes, making inexplicably poor and myopic decisions. 

 

Who is John Galt?

I absolutely agree. We do all kinds of travel, and there have certainly been declines everywhere, nothing to the level of the cruise line, and I'm referring to all cruise lines from the mainstream lines like Royal, to the lines like Celebrity and Holland America, and to the upper premium lines like Oceania. We are done, at least for a while.

[1985rz1]

1 hour ago, Waltershipman said:

Explora journeys

 

1 hour ago, ak1004 said:

Except for EJ?

We attended a travel fair about a year ago, and stopped by the EJ booth.  The EJ representative staffing the booth said the person behind the cuisine on EJ is the original person behind the O cuisine.   

[ak1004]

22 minutes ago, njhorseman said:

I can't express an opinion  about cruise lines I haven't sailed on such as Seabourn, Crystal, Regent Seven Seas and Explora Journeys, but based on what I read and hear it's possible any of them may have better food. Obviously there won't be any uniformity of agreement on the issue as it's not a matter of fact but rather a matter of personal tastes and opinion.

 

But none of that is the point of my post. Let's say that hypothetically there were reasonably objective measures of which cruise line has the best food, and that cruise line wasn't Oceania. Oceania would still be able to use the advertising slogan "The Finest Cuisine at Sea" because it's a registered trademark despite it having extremely questionable validity. Should any intelligent consumer take the word of a trademarked advertising slogan as the gospel truth? It's advertising after all, not an immutable law of physics.

 

You know that O's food isn't objectively the best at sea...look at what you said in subsequent posts: (bold lettering is my editing addition)

 

 

 

Like you, I cannot express an opinion about cruise lines I haven't sailed on such SB, Regent or EJ. All I'm saying is that my opinion is that O has the best food out of 12 lines we sailed on.. and this includes SS, Crystal and Azamara plus few mass market lines. I don't care much about their advertising slogan, in the same way I don't care much about their other advertising BS (like 2 for 1 fares, FREE excursions, FREE wines etc.) SS markets itself as all inclusive line, but charges extra for 2 out of 8 restaurants, premium internet, laundry etc. I base my opinion on my experience, not advertising slogans or other people's opinions.

 

And yes, O's food isn't objectively the best at sea, it's the best based on my opinion, which I don't pretend to be objective. Maybe after our first cruise on SB in September this title will go to SB, and then to EJ (assuming their prices will come down to earth - and if not, there are more than enough excellent choices).

[edgee]

24 minutes ago, ak1004 said:

 

Like you, I cannot express an opinion about cruise lines I haven't sailed on such SB, Regent or EJ. All I'm saying is that my opinion is that O has the best food out of 12 lines we sailed on.. and this includes SS, Crystal and Azamara plus few mass market lines. I don't care much about their advertising slogan, in the same way I don't care much about their other advertising BS (like 2 for 1 fares, FREE excursions, FREE wines etc.) SS markets itself as all inclusive line, but charges extra for 2 out of 8 restaurants, premium internet, laundry etc. I base my opinion on my experience, not advertising slogans or other people's opinions.

 

And yes, O's food isn't objectively the best at sea, it's the best based on my opinion, which I don't pretend to be objective. Maybe after our first cruise on SB in September this title will go to SB, and then to EJ (assuming their prices will come down to earth - and if not, there are more than enough excellent choices).

IMHO Oceania food is pretty even with Crystal and Regent,both of which are considered luxury lines VS Oceania's upper premium category. In any case, Regent and Crystal are at a much higher price point.

[Vineyard View]

2 hours ago, njhorseman said:

 

But none of that is the point of my post. Let's say that hypothetically there were reasonably objective measures of which cruise line has the best food, and that cruise line wasn't Oceania. Oceania would still be able to use the advertising slogan "The Finest Cuisine at Sea" because it's a registered trademark despite it having extremely questionable validity. Should any intelligent consumer take the word of a trademarked advertising slogan as the gospel truth? It's advertising after all, not an immutable law of physics.

 

 

 

It’s a great registered trademark. I will give you that. Are there people who are attracted to this cruise line because of this trademark?  Likely so. I think there are people who this ‘trademark’ is a gravitational marker in making decisions. Why would their marketing department use it?  Because it has a grab for some. Look at all the discussion on this board around it? 

[Waltershipman]

2 hours ago, 1985rz1 said:

 

We attended a travel fair about a year ago, and stopped by the EJ booth.  The EJ representative staffing the booth said the person behind the cuisine on EJ is the original person behind the O cuisine.   

Franck Garranger is head of culinary at EJband former head of culinary at O and SS