EES and P&O cruisers

[PurpleMoonlight]

Is the actual questionnaire for the ETIAS known yet?

[emam]

A good informative post. Would it be possible @Host Sharon to pin this, so that it's there for people to see nearer the time.

[Devon born and bred]

37 minutes ago, PurpleMoonlight said:

Is the actual questionnaire for the ETIAS known yet?

9265359 has explained very clearly the difference between EES and ETIAS and said that with ETIAS you will have to declare your background, criminal convictions etc. People should stop worrying, we have a clear explanation from a knowledgeable person and should wait until we have a definite start date, in the meantime I have more than enough information thanks to 9265359.

[zap99]

1 hour ago, Devon born and bred said:

9265359 has explained very clearly the difference between EES and ETIAS and said that with ETIAS you will have to declare your background, criminal convictions etc. People should stop worrying, we have a clear explanation from a knowledgeable person and should wait until we have a definite start date, in the meantime I have more than enough information thanks to 9265359.

That answered purplemoonlights question didn't it.🤔

[kalos]

6 minutes ago, zap99 said:

That answered purplemoonlights question didn't it.🤔

 

My question (in my first post) fell on deaf ears when I asked a poster? 🤫

[zap99]

9 minutes ago, kalos said:

 

My question (in my first post) fell on deaf ears when I asked a poster? 🤫

I would quite like to know what the questions will be. But being told not to ask will have to do for now. Another forum has a thread called....no questions are stupid. Perhaps they will know.

[zap99]

18 minutes ago, kalos said:

 

My question (in my first post) fell on deaf ears when I asked a poster? 🤫

I had a look on the Etias website. They will ask questions about education and employment status. Skeggy next year then.

[kalos]

3 minutes ago, zap99 said:

I had a look on the Etias website. They will ask questions about education and employment status. Skeggy next year then.

 

My original post was ,do P&O have any info on EES  ?  Apparently not  ..

Skeggy it is then ,must ask the land lady for   Extra Egg and Sausages 👍

[nosapphire]

12 minutes ago, zap99 said:

I would quite like to know what the questions will be. But being told not to ask will have to do for now. Another forum has a thread called....no questions are stupid. Perhaps they will know.

Only information I can find is on the ETIAS website FAQ.Under "What information" it gives an outline. I suspect it will be similar to the USA form, which was pretty simple (pre Covid, anyway).

https://travel-europe.europa.eu/etias/faqs-etias_en

 

I have a bigger worry about the EES if the cruise line does not do any of the biometric data at embarkation - apparently it will mainly be automatic booths.

EVERY time I have used an automatic booth at passport control I have ended up locked in and having to be rescued by a staff member. The system simply refuses to recognise my face (my own phone does not recognise my face). What hope do I have of getting in anywhere that is automated?😬

[PurpleMoonlight]

I can't find the actual intended application form on the net.

 

https://etias.com/etias-application

 

What will I be asked on the ETIAS application form?

As a pre-screening check, the ETIAS online application form will ask for basic personal details to establish your identity.

This will include:

• Valid passport / Travel document information
• Full name
• Current address
• Citizenship status
• Sex
• Preferred gender
• Dual citizenship status
• Email address
• Telephone number
• Date of birth
• Final destination member state
• Educational background
• Occupational background
•  

During the ETIAS application or appeal process, you may be asked about your:

• Criminal history
• Past incarceration
• Felon status
• Past European travel
• Drug use
• Health history

 

The devil will be in the detail. Comparing to the ESTA, that also claims to want to know convictions but the actual form asks if you have ever been arrested.

 

I wonder if it's impacting advance cruise bookings. The vast majority of P&O cruises stop off somewhere in the EU.

[zap99]

7 minutes ago, PurpleMoonlight said:

I can't find the actual intended application form on the net.

 

https://etias.com/etias-application

 

What will I be asked on the ETIAS application form?

As a pre-screening check, the ETIAS online application form will ask for basic personal details to establish your identity.

This will include:

• Valid passport / Travel document information
• Full name
• Current address
• Citizenship status
• Sex
• Preferred gender
• Dual citizenship status
• Email address
• Telephone number
• Date of birth
• Final destination member state
• Educational background
• Occupational background
•  

During the ETIAS application or appeal process, you may be asked about your:

• Criminal history
• Past incarceration
• Felon status
• Past European travel
• Drug use
• Health history

 

The devil will be in the detail. Comparing to the ESTA, that also claims to want to know convictions but the actual form asks if you have ever been arrested.

 

I wonder if it's impacting advance cruise bookings. The vast majority of P&O cruises stop off somewhere in the EU.

Where it said

Sex

Preferred gender.

 

Kalos won't be able to resist a funny answer....Skeggy it is then.

[david63]

59 minutes ago, PurpleMoonlight said:

I wonder if it's impacting advance cruise bookings. The vast majority of P&O cruises stop off somewhere in the EU.

I very much doubt it. The vast majority of passengers will not have given it a moments thought when booking.

[zap99]

40 minutes ago, david63 said:

I very much doubt it. The vast majority of passengers will not have given it a moments thought when booking.

We gave it a little bit of thought. We will wait until DW gets her new passport in January.

[kermchem]

5 hours ago, PurpleMoonlight said:

I can't find the actual intended application form on the net.

 

https://etias.com/etias-application

 

What will I be asked on the ETIAS application form?

As a pre-screening check, the ETIAS online application form will ask for basic personal details to establish your identity.

This will include:

• Valid passport / Travel document information
• Full name
• Current address
• Citizenship status
• Sex
• Preferred gender
• Dual citizenship status
• Email address
• Telephone number
• Date of birth
• Final destination member state
• Educational background
• Occupational background
•  

During the ETIAS application or appeal process, you may be asked about your:

• Criminal history
• Past incarceration
• Felon status
• Past European travel
• Drug use
• Health history

 

The devil will be in the detail. Comparing to the ESTA, that also claims to want to know convictions but the actual form asks if you have ever been arrested.

 

I wonder if it's impacting advance cruise bookings. The vast majority of P&O cruises stop off somewhere in the EU.

 

What I don't understand is why the EU will want to know all this information from me and fellow passengers one at a time in an expensive and time consuming business (unless it to create jobs). I would have thought they could get the answers in bulk on a USB stick from Messrs Xi and Putin, who must know all this about us already. 😉

 

[Snow Hill]

From the official European Commission Travel Europe website re ETIAS

 

You will be asked to provide the following information:

 

Personal information including your name(s), date and place of birth, sex, nationalities, home address, email address and phone number(s);

Your parents’ first name(s);

Travel document details;

Your level of education and current occupation;

The country of your first intended stay and the address of your destination;

Details about any past criminal convictions, past travels to war or conflict zones, and whether you have recently been the subject of a return decision.

 

Additionally, the travellers who declare that they have a family member who is a citizen of a European country requiring ETIAS, or is a third-country national enjoying the right to move freely throughout the EU in accordance with EU law, will be asked to provide information about the following:

 

the personal information of the family member with whom they have family ties;

a specification of their family ties with that family member.

 

If someone is submitting the application on your behalf,that person will have to provide their surname, first name(s), the name and contact details of the organisation or firm (if applicable), as well as information on their relationship to you and a confirmation that this person and you have signed the declaration of representation
 

https://travel-europe.europa.eu/etias/faqs-etias_en#:~:text=Travel document details%3B,subject of a return decision.

Edited September 1 by Snow Hill

[9265359]

15 hours ago, westerdam said:

So if I am (sort of) understanding that correctly they still will be stamping passports for 180 days after implementation? 

 

The border guard manual has not been updated for EES yet.

 

However as EES is to be the record of arrival for passengers arriving after 10th November then it would make no sense to stamp passports, unless they were concerned that EES was not reliable.

 

For passengers who arrived before 10th November so were not entered onto EES but are leaving after 10th November there is a question about what will happen.

 

Will they enter those departures onto EES without a corresponding arrival? Perhaps, but it wouldn't be very easy to do as there would be no individual to load those details against, as that requires fingerprints and photos which they don't have and you would also have unmatched exits with no entry in EES.

 

Will they simply stamp the passport with an exit stamp next to the entry stamp? Well that seems an awful lot more likely.

 

But as before, until the border guard manual is updated we won't know for sure.

 

[9265359]

19 minutes ago, Snow Hill said:

From the official European Commission Travel Europe website re ETIAS

 

To add to that, the EU law contains the details -  Regulation - 2018/1240 - EN - EUR-Lex (europa.eu)

 

Each applicant shall submit a completed application form including a declaration of the authenticity, completeness, correctness and reliability of the data submitted and a declaration of the veracity and reliability of the statements made. Each applicant shall also state that he or she has understood the conditions for entry referred to in Article 6 of Regulation (EU) 2016/399 and that he or she may be requested to provide the relevant supporting documents at each entry. Minors shall submit an application form electronically signed by a person exercising permanent or temporary parental authority or legal guardianship.

 

The applicant shall provide the following personal data in the application form:

 

(a)	surname (family name), first name(s) (given name(s)), surname at birth; date of birth, place of birth, country of birth, sex, current nationality, first name(s) of the parents of the applicant;

(b)	other names (alias(es), artistic name(s), usual name(s)), if any;

(c)	other nationalities, if any;

(d)	type, number and country of issue of the travel document;

(e)	the date of issue and the date of expiry of the validity of the travel document;

(f)	the applicant’s home address or, if not available, his or her city and country of residence;

(g)	email address and, if available, phone numbers;

(h)	education (primary, secondary, higher or none);

(i)

current occupation (job group); where the application is subject to the manual processing in accordance with the procedure laid down in Article 26, the Member State responsible may in accordance with Article 27 request that the applicant provide additional information concerning his or her exact job title and employer or, for students, the name of their educational establishment;

(j)	Member State of first intended stay, and optionally, the address of first intended stay;

(k)	for minors, surname and first name(s), home address, email address and, if available, phone number of the person exercising parental authority or of the applicant’s legal guardian;

(l)

where he or she claims the status of family member referred to in point (c) of Article 2(1): (i) his or her status of family member; (ii) the surname, first name(s), date of birth, place of birth, country of birth, current nationality, home address, email address and, if available, phone number of the family member with whom the applicant has family ties; (iii) his or her family ties with that family member in accordance with Article 2(2) of Directive 2004/38/EC;

(m)

in the case of applications filled in by a person other than the applicant, the surname, first name(s), name of firm, organisation if applicable, email address, mailing address and phone number if available of that person; relationship to the applicant and a signed representation declaration.   In addition, the applicant shall provide answers to the following questions:   (a) whether he or she has been convicted of any criminal offence listed in the Annex over the previous 10 years and in the case of terrorist offences, over the previous 20 years, and if so when and in which country;   (b) whether he or she has stayed in a specific war or conflict zone over the previous 10 years and the reasons for the stay;   (c) whether he or she has been the subject of any decision requiring him or her to leave the territory of a Member State or of any third countries listed in Annex II to Regulation (EC) No 539/2001 or whether he or she was subject to any return decision issued over the previous 10 years.   The list of crimes in the Annex is    1. terrorist offences, 2. participation in a criminal organisation, 3. trafficking in human beings, 4. sexual exploitation of children and child pornography, 5. illicit trafficking in narcotic drugs and psychotropic substances, 6. illicit trafficking in weapons, munitions and explosives, 7. corruption, 8. fraud, including that against the financial interests of the Union, 9. laundering of the proceeds of crime and counterfeiting of currency, including the euro, 10. computer-related crime/cybercrime 11. environmental crime, including illicit trafficking in endangered animal species and in endangered plant species and varieties, 12. facilitation of unauthorised entry and residence, 13. murder, grievous bodily injury, 14. illicit trade in human organs and tissue, 15. kidnapping, illegal restraint and hostage-taking, 16. organised and armed robbery, 17. illicit trafficking in cultural goods, including antiques and works of art, 18. counterfeiting and piracy of products, 19. forgery of administrative documents and trafficking therein, 20. illicit trafficking in hormonal substances and other growth promoters, 21. illicit trafficking in nuclear or radioactive materials, 22. rape, 23. crimes within the jurisdiction of the International Criminal Court, 24. unlawful seizure of aircraft or ships, 25. sabotage, 26. trafficking in stolen vehicles, 27. industrial espionage, 28. arson, 29. racism and xenophobia.

Edited September 1 by 9265359

[Rupert2251]

10 hours ago, 9265359 said:

Member State of first intended stay, and optionally, the address of first intended stay;

Quick question... what do we enter for cruises?

[yorkshirephil]

8 minutes ago, Rupert2251 said:

Quick question... what do we enter for cruises?

The requirements for the ETIAS look very similar to the ESTA for the US. For ESTA I usually put the port we are docking at and their address and phone number. I have just had my third one approved using this criteria. I don't think it will matter too much as you could have been to another country on holiday several months before and put your hotel details. 

[9265359]

1 hour ago, Rupert2251 said:

Quick question... what do we enter for cruises?

 

As any other details on the place of stay are optional, then there will be no need to put anything other than the country - so if the first stop is Vigo then it would appear that entering 'España' will be sufficient, and similarly if you were flying into Barcelona to join the ship there the same would apply.

[Jonb_chi]

On 9/1/2024 at 3:23 PM, 9265359 said:

 

The border guard manual has not been updated for EES yet.

 

However as EES is to be the record of arrival for passengers arriving after 10th November then it would make no sense to stamp passports, unless they were concerned that EES was not reliable.

 

For passengers who arrived before 10th November so were not entered onto EES but are leaving after 10th November there is a question about what will happen.

 

Will they enter those departures onto EES without a corresponding arrival? Perhaps, but it wouldn't be very easy to do as there would be no individual to load those details against, as that requires fingerprints and photos which they don't have and you would also have unmatched exits with no entry in EES.

 

Will they simply stamp the passport with an exit stamp next to the entry stamp? Well that seems an awful lot more likely.

 

But as before, until the border guard manual is updated we won't know for sure.

 

Here's the response I got from the Europe Direct Contact Centre. It's a bit cryptic - not recognizing the recent announcement and providing limited details, but they state that an entry before EES will still result in some sort of recording in EES if you depart after departure. As discussed earlier in this thread, it seems intensive to add biometric stations to all exit points.

It's early, we'll likely need to wait until we're closer to learn more.

 

It is important to note that while the Entry/Exit System (EES) is expected to become operational in the second half of 2024, there currently is no official start date.

Should you enter the countries using the EES before it becomes operational and leave after, then your passport will not be stamped on exit. Instead, the border guard will create a new file for you in the EES that will note the day you entered (based on the entry stamp you received) and your date of exit.

 

Edited September 4 by Jonb_chi
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