Craps Players Step Inside!

[Yo Eleven]

Betting the don't is a real grind. It is a great way to rack up slow and steady profits. Employing a conservative money management technique, it is a good way to play. Before anyone risks any money on the table you need a COMPLETE understanding of the entire game. A fool and his money can be easily seperated at the tables. I can't tell you how many times I have had to school the dealers on proper payoffs. This is especially true when playing the don't. Many dealers on the ships are very personable,

however, they don't get enough action from the dark side players to be

proficient in paying the don't. If you are going to play you must be able to figure out the proper payoffs instantly. Do not depend on a dealer to calculate anything for you. It is your money and your responsibility to know what you should be payed.

These are words of wisdom, sir!

[Yo Eleven]

Thanks for the kind words. You're right' date=' I actually did well! Yes, I played three nights. I'm a happy newbie. :)

 

There were a couple of dark side players. They were quiet...stealthy...trying not to draw attention to themselves. At least that's how this newbie read them. They did ok...can't say how well, as I was concentrating on my new found addiction, and they seemed to disappear fairly quick. Once I become 100% comfortable, I'm sure I'll have fun toying with you dark siders. :p Dare I say I may become one? Probably not. I really enjoyed the interaction with the other players as we helped eachother win!

 

Oh, and the guys running the table were great, both helpful and funny. YES, I left a chip tip each evening.[/quote']

Deciding whether or not to play the dark side is easy.

All you need to do is ask the following?

 

Do I want to cheer and scream with others at the craps table?

 

If the answer is YES. Then the dark side is not for you.

 

HOWEVER-If you are interested in WINNING money and could not care less about how others perceive you then playing the dark is for you. Furthermore, you have to build up a personality yourself. If you are playing with really cool passline players then it is only common courtesy for a don't player to keep his/her mouth shut and pass the dice when it is their turn to roll. But, if there are obnoxious jerks at the table criticizing your play, simply, yell BIG RED when they roll the dice. Also, when the dice come your way, ROLL THEM and call for a seven every time except the comeout roll. Instead yell CRAP at that time! You will find less players at the table with you which is actually WONDERFUL! :D

[AndyTheK]

We had a wonderful cruise' date=' which included a few nights at the craps table. I'm a newbie, did my homework, and am proud to say that after several hours at the table I came back a winner!

 

I started each evening with $100 and left each time after almost 2 hours with an extra $50-$70. I know, not a lot of money, but it was very entertaining. I typically bet the pass line with odds, a few come bets with oddas, and occasionally bet the six or eight, with odds. My longest roll was 25 minutes, and made money for everyone at the table.

 

Thanks to all of you for your encouragement and advice. I think I'm hooked![/quote']

 

Say hey!! Fantastic. It's great that you had a good time and won good money as well. The first experience sets your mind for the future, and clearly you now "belong".

 

PS - a 25 minute hand? PLEASE let me know when your next one is - I want a piece of your action. LOL

[Fire 331]

Hope there will be a few rollers who can hold the dice for 25 minuets in Sept. that would make a great night.

[Yo Eleven]

Hope there will be a few rollers who can hold the dice for 25 minuets in Sept. that would make a great night.

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :eek:

[I'm on holiday]

Say hey!! Fantastic. It's great that you had a good time and won good money as well. The first experience sets your mind for the future, and clearly you now "belong".

 

PS - a 25 minute hand? PLEASE let me know when your next one is - I want a piece of your action. LOL

 

Thanks! Oh, and I'll be sure to let you know when next we'll be sailing!

 

Hope there will be a few rollers who can hold the dice for 25 minuets in Sept. that would make a great night.

 

I hope so as well!

 

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :eek:

 

Be nice! :p :)

[Yo Eleven]

Be nice! :p :)

Oh I will be nice. I will thank you for taking all your money. :D

[cruiser_new]

I'm a blackjack guy that wants to learn craps. Played once but basically was following orders from my buddy next to me and didn't learn a thing. Geez, so much to learn and remember. I think I have a basic grasp of it but as someone said earlier it is very intimidating standing at that table not knowing the lingo and not knowing when it's OK or not to grab your chips.

 

Question: why would it make anybody mad if someone at the table is playing the don't? They have absolutely no effect on the other players, isn't that correct? Is it just a superstition thing?

 

Never cruised before but will shortly. Is it easier to learn the game on a cruise than at a land-based casino? What I mean by that is if the table is so full of newbies that the dealers go slower and if everybody is more patient.

[cruzincurt]

Welcome to craps.

 

The issue with the Don't player is that they are betting for a 7 which will cause everyone else to lose. It has nothing to do with the right side bettors, it's just the opposite of the majority and has a very slight odds advantage.

 

A cruise ship is a good place to learn IMO. You can go up to the table early in the evening when half the people are at dinner. There will be few if anyone playing. The dealers will be more than happy to explain how to play as they will be bored with nothing to do. Later on, other newbies will slow the game down.

 

Now I have to get out of here before Yo shows up.

Edited July 9, 2009 by cruzincurt

[Yo Eleven]

Welcome to craps.

 

The issue with the Don't player is that they are betting for a 7 which will cause everyone else to lose. It has nothing to do with the right side bettors, it's just the opposite of the majority and has a very slight odds advantage.

 

A cruise ship is a good place to learn IMO. You can go up to the table early in the evening when half the people are at dinner. There will be few if anyone playing. The dealers will be more than happy to explain how to play as they will be bored with nothing to do. Later on, other newbies will slow the game down.

 

Now I have to get out of here before Yo shows up.

Looks like I need to set up some roach motels here while I am away to catch this guy. LOL! :D

 

Good advice on learning how to play. But watch out for the dealers trying to convince the newbies how wonderful proposition bets are. They aren't They are sucker bets. Watch out!

[primo1]

If you must play the Darkside. Do it without any emotion. If you win, do not celebrate or cheer. Keep it to yourself.

[Yo Eleven]

If you must play the Darkside. Do it without any emotion. If you win, do not celebrate or cheer. Keep it to yourself.

Yes, but if the others act like imbeciles and make fun of the dark side player then all bets are off. Call out SEVEN when the point is made and roll the dice and shoot for the SEVEN yourself.

[cruzincurt]

Looks like I need to set up some roach motels here while I am away to catch this guy. LOL! :D

 

 

That scratching sound you hear is the darkside player trying to sneak away from the table like a roach in daylight when I roll my points and they lose.:p:D:eek:

 

Just kidding Yo.;)

Edited July 9, 2009 by cruzincurt

[Yo Eleven]

That scratching sound you hear is the darkside player trying to sneak away from the table like a roach in daylight when I roll my points and they lose.:p:D:eek:

 

Just kidding Yo.;)

Hmmmm. Independence of the Seas in December, eh? :D

[cruzincurt]

Hmmmm. Independence of the Seas in December, eh? :D

 

By the way Yo, the Liberty of the Seas is a great ship. Sailed on her in May.

[Yo Eleven]

By the way Yo, the Liberty of the Seas is a great ship. Sailed on her in May.

Cool! Tell me about the craps table? How crowded was it?

 

There is 2X odds there right? Or is it always 1X odds?

 

How were the dealers?

[teeredi2cruise]

Hi everyone,

I have been a lurker on this thread since it began and have really enjoyed the banter.

I had an experience in May on my last cruise where some of our table mates got a bit agressive with me because I played from the dark side. I initially took it in jest as always, but it got a bit uncomfortable and a couple of guys were way over the line with their comments to me. One even threw a chip at me and I was looking to the pit crew to assist me, but no one ever did. I assure you before you ask, I am a petite, unoppossing female player who is not vocal from the dark side and will even shoot/play from the right with a hot table.

 

I played and even made connections with other players during the cruise from people who approached me wanting to learn how to play the don't. What shocked me the most is that no "staff" member addressed this behavior even as I am appealing to bully's that my winning was not personal and I was not playing against them, I just want to win money just like them. This is the first time in ANY casino that I have witnessed this type of behavior and by no means think all players are this rude. Usually people leave me alone and are pretty friendly even though I play the don't.

 

I am leaving next week and will continue to play the same strategies I have always played specific to me, but I have to know if this "should" have been something that the pit crew should have addressed or because I play the don't, am I on my own. Your thoughts.....:confused:

[cruzincurt]

Teeredi,

 

It is my experience that on cruise ships there are typically more "casual" players who are often also loud, big mouths, drinkers, and showoffs. The staff, at least a pit boss, should have become involved with the troublemakers. I have seen that happen with some obnoxious players. The problem is that being on a cruise, with one table, you can't get away from each other and they will be back each night. Those players won't be there typically all night since they are usually showoffs that play the center bets and so come and go pretty quick. I'd just keep an eye on when they are there and choose to play when they aren't. Since the casino is stuck with these people for 7 days, they don't seem to want to get into a hassle with them.

 

Yo, on the Liberty, the table was slow until maybe 10:00 until the second seating let out. I guess us late eaters are also the gamblers. The activity depends on the make-up of the passengers. I've been on a HAL cruise where the DW and I were the only players some nights. I'm always at the table for 2 to 3 hours each night (hint: I set dice and roll numbers);). I often started out as the only shooter and others would slowly join in. There were some "big shots" (that were also big mouths) that would come in and throw down $1,000 or $2,000 and play heavy till it was gone in 30 minutes or so.

 

Odds were always 1X and only 2X one night from say 8:00 to 12:00 as I recall. The dealers were not very good at figuring payoffs for the darksiders so watch them carefully, they get so used to just grabbing off all the chips on a 7. I had to watch my Come bet on a 7 roll.

Edited July 10, 2009 by cruzincurt

[Yo Eleven]

Hi everyone,

I have been a lurker on this thread since it began and have really enjoyed the banter.

I had an experience in May on my last cruise where some of our table mates got a bit agressive with me because I played from the dark side. I initially took it in jest as always, but it got a bit uncomfortable and a couple of guys were way over the line with their comments to me. One even threw a chip at me and I was looking to the pit crew to assist me, but no one ever did. I assure you before you ask, I am a petite, unoppossing female player who is not vocal from the dark side and will even shoot/play from the right with a hot table.

 

I played and even made connections with other players during the cruise from people who approached me wanting to learn how to play the don't. What shocked me the most is that no "staff" member addressed this behavior even as I am appealing to bully's that my winning was not personal and I was not playing against them, I just want to win money just like them. This is the first time in ANY casino that I have witnessed this type of behavior and by no means think all players are this rude. Usually people leave me alone and are pretty friendly even though I play the don't.

 

I am leaving next week and will continue to play the same strategies I have always played specific to me, but I have to know if this "should" have been something that the pit crew should have addressed or because I play the don't, am I on my own. Your thoughts.....:confused:

Hello and welcome to the new Casino section. I am glad you have decided to post and I encourage you to participate more often. I have several comments to make here in reply to your posting.

 

First and foremost. A female mostly exclusive don't player. I have NEVER met one or seen one in person at a table, EVER. This is most interesting and fascinating. I think it is groovy and love the idea. Kudos to you and would love to learn about your specific method of play. Please share.

 

It is unclear to determine how rude these folks were on your last cruise without knowing exactly what the comments are that you feel were over the line. But for argument's sake I can only assume they were based on the fact you are female and these female directed comments regards may have been their weapon to try to break you. But, again I don't know as I don't know what they actually said.

 

Regardless, it takes a real low life to attack a female especially when it comes to shooting craps. And, you have a double whammy against you especially since you are shooting from the dark side. You have to learn to be able to take the punches but also you have a right to defend yourself.

 

Let's address the scumbags first. I noticed you sailed on Carnival last May. I have been on one Carnival cruise. Although I enjoyed the cruise very much I must say when I played craps there, I had the privledge to play with the biggest scumbags I have EVER played in my several years of shooting craps. In fact, it was on this sailing where I got into a shouting match with all sorts of name callings and stuff which involved the dealers getting into it (I will get to this later). Although, on almost every cruise or gaming boat I go on, words get exchanged. But, only twice did it come close to hand to hand combat. I know it is immature to get into it at a craps table but I guess at the heat of the moment, tensions rise, and folks say things that they don't really mean and things get out of hand. I have been called names, chips thrown at me just like you, and twice threatened with physical harm to include being told that if I am on deck that I would be tossed overboard, and another time that this one person wanted to take the stickman's tool and bash me 100 times over the head. And when I collapsed that he would bash me 100 more time for good measure. Of course, the dealers got involved here and all that were involved were asked to suspend play for the entire day/evening.

 

I learned a long time ago a dark side player will NOT get any sympathy from the craps dealers. Not one bit. HOWEVER, there is a way to GET their support if something should go bad. To earn their support you need to place some bets for the dealers. Perhaps as someone suggested to place $1 on the inside numbers. You don't have to place a bet for yourself at the same time you play for the dealers as long as you are not rolling the dice. Simply place the bets for them and they will know you are appreciative for the dealers. Even if you are a dark side player, if other players screw around with you I find they will actually help you out. It has worked for me several times with them defending me.

 

As a don't player you have to deal with a lot of crap. That is just the way it is. Often I play with really cool pass players who don't give me any trouble. And often I play with real jerks. I return the favor and get real nasty. Such as rolling for my own seven and yelling out big red. But, this only if they start crap with me. I will tell you that if you end up doing your own rolls you will find many of these fools leaving the table. I wouldn't ignore their comments. I fight back with words. But that is just me. If the environment becomes really hostile then yeah, the dealers get involved. If you are a tipper, they will usually side with you, even if you are a dark side player. That is the good news!!!!!

 

Now for some more bad news. I see you are going on the Carnival Fascination. That is where I saw the biggest scumbugs in crap player history on that ship. It was horrible. I played my game though but it got confrontational at times.

 

My advice as a don't player you may want to consider trying another cruise line for a change of pace on your next cruise. I have had great experience on Princess. I am trying next with Royal Carribbean. I know it was on one ship on Carnival I had this experience, but it put a bad taste in my mouth. For your upcoming Fascination cruise, be certain to tip the dealers in the beginning. I am not saying to give them lots of tips. But do a bet for them in the beginning. And then later on the cruise if you are winning and they are providing you a good service make more bets for them. They will be on your side. But be prepared, for jerks and their comments.

 

Anyway, I said a mouthful here. I wish you luck and hope to see you back here! :D

[teeredi2cruise]

Teeredi,

 

It is my experience that on cruise ships there are typically more "casual" players who are often also loud, big mouths, drinkers, and showoffs. The staff, at least a pit boss, should have become involved with the troublemakers. I have seen that happen with some obnoxious players. The problem is that being on a cruise, with one table, you can't get away from each other and they will be back each night. Those players won't be there typically all night since they are usually showoffs that play the center bets and so come and go pretty quick. I'd just keep an eye on when they are there and choose to play when they aren't. Since the casino is stuck with these people for 7 days, they don't seem to want to get into a hassle with them.

 

Yo, on the Liberty, the table was slow until maybe 10:00 until the second seating let out. I guess us late eaters are also the gamblers. The activity depends on the make-up of the passengers. I've been on a HAL cruise where the DW and I were the only players some nights. I'm always at the table for 2 to 3 hours each night (hint: I set dice and roll numbers);). I often started out as the only shooter and others would slowly join in. There were some "big shots" (that were also big mouths) that would come in and throw down $1,000 or $2,000 and play heavy till it was gone in 30 minutes or so.

 

Odds were always 1X and only 2X one night from say 8:00 to 12:00 as I recall. The dealers were not very good at figuring payoffs for the darksiders so watch them carefully, they get so used to just grabbing off all the chips on a 7. I had to watch my Come bet on a 7 roll.

 

Hi Cruzin

Thanks for your response and support. I have been playing in many casinos including cruise ships for a while and since I've never witnessed such aggressive behavior at the table. (and more importantly towards me personally) I did feel that the pit boss at a minimum should have admonished the offenders. I have pretty thick skin and smile beautifully to the bantering of the other players... Most times when I enter the game and there are guys there pointing and calling my sister and I the "dark side chicks" it's kinda fun.:D I think we are definitely a phenomenom as not many players or don't players are female. I have always seen it as they like the competition of putting a face to the house. I've got a pretty outgoing personality and typically can win them over. I've even had shooter's put me up on the pass line when they shoot trying to "convert me". That's pretty funny when they do that and are out in four rolls. But I graciously thank them for the bet and collect my winnings. Things like that help to keep me in the game. When I do collect, I NEVER give eye contact to the right side on any decision win or loose.

 

I have a lot of fun at the table and I see them around the ship and inevitably, even as they give me grief at the table, they are always interested in learning how to play from "the other side", just never get the nerve to do it. I think most people have just never taken the time to understand this aspect of the game as with many others. I am a pretty conservative player and I am a 90% don't player who sometimes will play from the right if I seen a shooter that hits alot of numbers. (and yes I know dice don't have memory) Sometimes I'll even shoot from the right, as I've learned I hit alot of numbers with a 3V set.

 

Like you, I am at the table for hours and slow grind it out and am there everyday except the last night of the trip. Superstitious if you will. If I'm up, I don't won't to give any back or vice versa if I'm down, not willing to give them any more since I don't have a chance to recover it. :). Most of my experience is that most of the cruise ship dealers are not accustomed to very many left players and paying out is a challenge for them as well.

 

I don't anticipate having another incident like the one I mentioned. I even asked the dealer next to me, (who by the way was reaping the benefits of my tokes and none from the jerks) why no one came to aid a 5'6" 130lb female from these bruts. All he would say is you seemed to be handling it. Most of the table was empathetic and later acknowledged how appalled they were. Some would not play when they played, but it made me even more resolved and determined that they were not going to run me from the table especially if I am winning. They stayed and so did I. Never spoke to my family of the incident as I didn't want it to escalate away from the table. But I think if ever again, I will talk with the Casino Manager off line from the table and keep them on notice that it is unacceptable.:cool:

 

I look forward in participating in your discussions here and wish for luck on the tables next week. I love craps the most, but occasionally break from the table when I can't get a good read from it and do other table games. Not much of a slot person. Not much strategy to hitting the button, but will play every now and then to pass time. Also helps with comps on land based. We are 41 people strong for next week and I have enough players in my group to take up the whole table. But that's not fun for me, because most are right players just learning the game which means one of US is losing.:D I actually like playing alone and done quite well sometimes that way. Also I get to route for the seven out loud. LOL

[primo1]

Very good read folks. I have seen many altercations in land based casinos and on the water. Iam talkin physical altercations. 10 years ago I saw a

guy get Kung Fu'd by a fellow player and it was horrible. I think he is still in the Hospital since I did not read or hear about his death.

To this day I get soooo close to make sly remarks arguments etc..

You just have to fugeddaboutit! Let it go. When you are on a cruise ship

there is no other casino to visit. And it wouldn't be to dificult for some crazy person to hunt you down like a dog. Just be cool, look away. Don't ever do the smiley face thing either, that will just add more fuel to the fire.

[teeredi2cruise]

Hello and welcome to the new Casino section. I am glad you have decided to post and I encourage you to participate more often. I have several comments to make here in reply to your posting.

 

First and foremost. A female mostly exclusive don't player. I have NEVER met one or seen one in person at a table, EVER. This is most interesting and fascinating. I think it is groovy and love the idea. Kudos to you and would love to learn about your specific method of play. Please share.

 

It is unclear to determine how rude these folks were on your last cruise without knowing exactly what the comments are that you feel were over the line. But for argument's sake I can only assume they were based on the fact you are female and these female directed comments regards may have been their weapon to try to break you. But, again I don't know as I don't know what they actually said.

 

Regardless, it takes a real low life to attack a female especially when it comes to shooting craps. And, you have a double whammy against you especially since you are shooting from the dark side. You have to learn to be able to take the punches but also you have a right to defend yourself.

 

Let's address the scumbags first. I noticed you sailed on Carnival last May. I have been on one Carnival cruise. Although I enjoyed the cruise very much I must say when I played craps there, I had the privledge to play with the biggest scumbags I have EVER played in my several years of shooting craps. In fact, it was on this sailing where I got into a shouting match with all sorts of name callings and stuff which involved the dealers getting into it (I will get to this later). Although, on almost every cruise or gaming boat I go on, words get exchanged. But, only twice did it come close to hand to hand combat. I know it is immature to get into it at a craps table but I guess at the heat of the moment, tensions rise, and folks say things that they don't really mean and things get out of hand. I have been called names, chips thrown at me just like you, and twice threatened with physical harm to include being told that if I am on deck that I would be tossed overboard, and another time that this one person wanted to take the stickman's tool and bash me 100 times over the head. And when I collapsed that he would bash me 100 more time for good measure. Of course, the dealers got involved here and all that were involved were asked to suspend play for the entire day/evening.

 

I learned a long time ago a dark side player will NOT get any sympathy from the craps dealers. Not one bit. HOWEVER, there is a way to GET their support if something should go bad. To earn their support you need to place some bets for the dealers. Perhaps as someone suggested to place $1 on the inside numbers. You don't have to place a bet for yourself at the same time you play for the dealers as long as you are not rolling the dice. Simply place the bets for them and they will know you are appreciative for the dealers. Even if you are a dark side player, if other players screw around with you I find they will actually help you out. It has worked for me several times with them defending me.

 

As a don't player you have to deal with a lot of crap. That is just the way it is. Often I play with really cool pass players who don't give me any trouble. And often I play with real jerks. I return the favor and get real nasty. Such as rolling for my own seven and yelling out big red. But, this only if they start crap with me. I will tell you that if you end up doing your own rolls you will find many of these fools leaving the table. I wouldn't ignore their comments. I fight back with words. But that is just me. If the environment becomes really hostile then yeah, the dealers get involved. If you are a tipper, they will usually side with you, even if you are a dark side player. That is the good news!!!!!

 

Now for some more bad news. I see you are going on the Carnival Fascination. That is where I saw the biggest scumbugs in crap player history on that ship. It was horrible. I played my game though but it got confrontational at times.

 

My advice as a don't player you may want to consider trying another cruise line for a change of pace on your next cruise. I have had great experience on Princess. I am trying next with Royal Carribbean. I know it was on one ship on Carnival I had this experience, but it put a bad taste in my mouth. For your upcoming Fascination cruise, be certain to tip the dealers in the beginning. I am not saying to give them lots of tips. But do a bet for them in the beginning. And then later on the cruise if you are winning and they are providing you a good service make more bets for them. They will be on your side. But be prepared, for jerks and their comments.

 

Anyway, I said a mouthful here. I wish you luck and hope to see you back here! :D

 

Hi Yo!!!! Thanks for the warm welcom and I look forward to participating in this forum.

 

I am definitely a rarity at the table especially on the don't side. My sister in law and I who usually travel together both play craps. I got her into the game. I am always looking for the best strategy and play and still struggle with many mostly money management techniques. I sometimes am a straight basic strategy Pass/Come and Don'tPass/Don't Come player with no more than 3 bets on the table. (if I can get them up there)

I sometimes will play the line while waiting for a decision. When I do this in conjunction with the don't, I take down the place bets after one hit and that assures me a small profit. This of course is when I fill a little daring and as long as the shooters are not "one hit wonders" this has proven quite profitable at times. Once I take the point down, I don't worry about how many times that the point hits after that. This is something that I just started experimenting with.

I also sometimes hedge on the 4 & 10 lay bet on the come out roll to cover the seven & eleven. I read someone in the thread mention that don't players never buy into the game. I have not had that be my experience, and typically color out at the end of each session. I guess my response to that is that if any player enters the game with chips instead of cash, maybe they are playing with previous session profits and don't need their cash. I will try to always leave my initial buy in in the room along with a percentage of my winnings.

I have to control my compulsiveness sometimes to enter the game while waiting on a decision on the don't. That is the hard for me when a lot of numbers are rolling. Sure as the world when I jump in to take advantage of a hot shooter, they 7 out when I enter. But as a basic strategy player for the most part, I stick with Don't/Don't Come with the occassional 6 & 8. If I play the 4 & 10, I usually buy them instead of placing them. I typically take no action on the 6 & 8 on the DC. When playing the DC, I have a couple of ways that I play with the table. One is to try to get my DC's up on roll 2 & 3 quickly and wait. The other is if I feel like the shooter may have a lot of numbers in them, I will space out my DC wagers every 2-3 rolls in an attempt to limit my exposure to repeating numbers, but still try to get at least 2 DC's up. Sometimes I don't make it up. I also try to play at least 2x 3x odds, depending on my bankroll.

That's a little about me, but I am here on this thread to learn and benefit from the knowledge of others. I don't know that I will be able to contribut any knowledge past my own experiences and am always trying to become a more affective player. Although I do pretty good, I want to learn more. The dealers are always pretty friendly and I will draw from there knowledge too.

I will be back to address your other thoughts/points a bit later. I would love to get your feedback on my methodology of play and others as well. That's what I'm here for. I wish we could play together since you have, as you put it, "NEVER" seen a predominately female dark sider. My family like to take junkets to different casinos, who knows.......:D

[teeredi2cruise]

It is unclear to determine how rude these folks were on your last cruise without knowing exactly what the comments are that you feel were over the line. But for argument's sake I can only assume they were based on the fact you are female and these female directed comments regards may have been their weapon to try to break you. But, again I don't know as I don't know what they actually said.

 

Regardless, it takes a real low life to attack a female especially when it comes to shooting craps. And, you have a double whammy against you especially since you are shooting from the dark side. You have to learn to be able to take the punches but also you have a right to defend yourself.

 

Let's address the scumbags first. I noticed you sailed on Carnival last May. I have been on one Carnival cruise. Although I enjoyed the cruise very much I must say when I played craps there, I had the privledge to play with the biggest scumbags I have EVER played in my several years of shooting craps. In fact, it was on this sailing where I got into a shouting match with all sorts of name callings and stuff which involved the dealers getting into it (I will get to this later). Although, on almost every cruise or gaming boat I go on, words get exchanged. But, only twice did it come close to hand to hand combat. I know it is immature to get into it at a craps table but I guess at the heat of the moment, tensions rise, and folks say things that they don't really mean and things get out of hand. I have been called names, chips thrown at me just like you, and twice threatened with physical harm to include being told that if I am on deck that I would be tossed overboard, and another time that this one person wanted to take the stickman's tool and bash me 100 times over the head. And when I collapsed that he would bash me 100 more time for good measure. Of course, the dealers got involved here and all that were involved were asked to suspend play for the entire day/evening.

 

I learned a long time ago a dark side player will NOT get any sympathy from the craps dealers. Not one bit. HOWEVER, there is a way to GET their support if something should go bad. To earn their support you need to place some bets for the dealers. Perhaps as someone suggested to place $1 on the inside numbers. You don't have to place a bet for yourself at the same time you play for the dealers as long as you are not rolling the dice. Simply place the bets for them and they will know you are appreciative for the dealers. Even if you are a dark side player, if other players screw around with you I find they will actually help you out. It has worked for me several times with them defending me.

 

As a don't player you have to deal with a lot of crap. That is just the way it is. Often I play with really cool pass players who don't give me any trouble. And often I play with real jerks. I return the favor and get real nasty. Such as rolling for my own seven and yelling out big red. But, this only if they start crap with me. I will tell you that if you end up doing your own rolls you will find many of these fools leaving the table. I wouldn't ignore their comments. I fight back with words. But that is just me. If the environment becomes really hostile then yeah, the dealers get involved. If you are a tipper, they will usually side with you, even if you are a dark side player. That is the good news!!!!!

 

Now for some more bad news. I see you are going on the Carnival Fascination. That is where I saw the biggest scumbugs in crap player history on that ship. It was horrible. I played my game though but it got confrontational at times.

 

My advice as a don't player you may want to consider trying another cruise line for a change of pace on your next cruise. I have had great experience on Princess. I am trying next with Royal Carribbean. I know it was on one ship on Carnival I had this experience, but it put a bad taste in my mouth. For your upcoming Fascination cruise, be certain to tip the dealers in the beginning. I am not saying to give them lots of tips. But do a bet for them in the beginning. And then later on the cruise if you are winning and they are providing you a good service make more bets for them. They will be on your side. But be prepared, for jerks and their comments.

 

Anyway, I said a mouthful here. I wish you luck and hope to see you back here! :D

 

Yo,

I am sorry to hear that you too have been in altercations simply because of your choice of play. Hopefully I have had my first and last. I will never understand why someone is upset about how I choose to spend my money and feel the need to dictate that.

 

You questioned how I felt the line was crossed beyond throwing the chip at me. The specific very inappropriate and hurtful comments including the “B” word is one that I won’t belabor with a lot of details here. But let’s just say some of the things were rude and demeaning. I am choosing not to repeat the insults in this forum, but believe that my only retort to them remained simply about playing the game and no personal attacks to the individual. I simply wanted the situation diffused and felt that once they threw a chip, that there should have been some sort of intervention. I am quite effective at tuning out the stares, whispers and comments of others and really don’t mind the attention as long as it’s not threatening. That is why this was so shocking to me, because it appeared to me that me not responding annoyed them even more. I am not confrontational or antagonistic and try to have fun while keeping a relatively low profile. My motto is kill-em with kindness and keep racking my chips, because for me, fun and making money is all that I’m there for. As long as I’m making money, trust me, I’m having fun, whichever side I’m playing from.

 

Yes, we are sailing on the Fascination next week and it’s not very much encouragement for my upcoming sailing. (LOL) This will also be my first time on this sailing and a short itinerary. This is a sailing with a group of family and friends so a lot of them will be at the table with me either playing or watching. Of all of the sailings where I will be at the tables, I will probably feel the safest and most secure this time. I believe I am a little more on guard these days and will speak with the Casino Host and Manager upon my sailing. I plan to explain what happened on May sailing and just see what their policy is if I feel that the atmosphere towards my personal space is hostile. Past that, as long as no one approaches me physically, I will be okay.

 

I am always a friend to the dealers at the table and usually ask them how they want their tip and let them choose. Sometimes I’ll put them up on the hardways or on the line. Don’t ask me why, but for some reason, I can’t bring myself to put their tip on the Don’t. That feels sort of TABU to me.

We enjoy sailing period, but have more Carnival cruises to our credit than others including RCCL and Princess. I know that any cruise or land based casino can have jerks so I just want to make sure that someone is looking after my safety wherever I am. I love traveling and cruising with a little (okay quite a bit) gambling thrown in. Again, I look forward to continuing to get lots of useful information from fellow gamers and would love to get feedback when I can. I actually like it when someone at the table especially someone that knows the game, challenges a perceived method. It’s good because it allows me make a case for my logic of the play and they then can share why they do or don’t think that is a smart play. I think this is a good way of my learning. I take it under advisement and sometimes it works, but I have to understand the rationale.

Edited July 10, 2009 by teeredi2cruise

[Yo Eleven]

Yo,

You questioned how I felt the line was crossed beyond throwing the chip at me. The specific very inappropriate and hurtful comments including the “B” word is one that I won’t belabor with a lot of details here. But let’s just say some of the things were rude and demeaning. I am choosing not to repeat the insults in this forum, but believe that my only retort to them remained simply about playing the game and no personal attacks to the individual. I simply wanted the situation diffused and felt that once they threw a chip, that there should have been some sort of intervention. I am quite effective at tuning out the stares, whispers and comments of others and really don’t mind the attention as long as it’s not threatening. That is why this was so shocking to me, because it appeared to me that me not responding annoyed them even more. I am not confrontational or antagonistic and try to have fun while keeping a relatively low profile. My motto is kill-em with kindness and keep racking my chips, because for me, fun and making money is all that I’m there for. As long as I’m making money, trust me, I’m having fun, whichever side I’m playing from.

Sounds to me cruizincurt was at your table that night! HAHAHA!

 

WOW! That is crazy. I am going to come back to your posts later as it is LUNCH time! :D

I just had to slam cruizincurt with this slider at your expense. Sorry about that. No hard feelings. But, I'll get back to you.

 

Oh and guess where I am going tonight? Shooting craps on the local gaming boat. :D

 

ttyl

Edited July 10, 2009 by Yo Eleven

[breezepark]

Can anyone tell me the difference between regular craps and mini-craps? I assume some of the board is missing in the smaller version, but what?