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[Bases5]

I know its a bad bet But How doe's the horn bet pay off percentage wise

[cruzincurt]

I know its a bad bet But How doe's the horn bet pay off percentage wise

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[canadiancruisers11]

What you are confused about is that you take things you read on the internet literally. I had a smiley face after my post noting that I was joking. Lighten up, Francis.

 

 

Anyone that throws a "Stripes" quote in here is a hero in my book...New player to the game...I always wanted to play, could never take my hands out of my pockets, just stood and watched like a narc at a biker rally...Finally broke my cherry on the Carnival Freedom in Europe and am still learning...I love the attitude of the table, so many different personalities there...Will always take advice from people at the table who are willing to help but still confused by Yo bets and "C & E", what the hell!

 

Going on the Caribbean Princess out of NYC in July and looking forward to having some fun...Question-is it a good play to always play 3 times the odds off the pass line? Thanks for the tips playaz

 

Newts:cool:

[unklez]

Craps is a game of pure chance like roulette or slots. I like to play blackjack where there is *some* strategy and skill involved.

[Yo Eleven]

Craps is a game of pure chance like roulette or slots. I like to play blackjack where there is *some* strategy and skill involved.

I hear where you are coming from bro but blackjack is also a game of pure chance. You don't know what cards you will be dealt just like one doesn't know how the dice will roll. Plus craps is more exciting. Blackjack puts me to sleep. LOL

[Yo Eleven]

Anyone that throws a "Stripes" quote in here is a hero in my book...New player to the game...I always wanted to play, could never take my hands out of my pockets, just stood and watched like a narc at a biker rally...Finally broke my cherry on the Carnival Freedom in Europe and am still learning...I love the attitude of the table, so many different personalities there...Will always take advice from people at the table who are willing to help but still confused by Yo bets and "C & E", what the hell!

 

Going on the Caribbean Princess out of NYC in July and looking forward to having some fun...Question-is it a good play to always play 3 times the odds off the pass line? Thanks for the tips playaz

 

Newts:cool:

Hey welcome to the craps table! Your odds bet is the best bet on the table. Max odds is in your favor at all times but you better know ***** you are doing. LOL lesson number one: stay the hell away from the proposition bets. They are sucker bets and leaving with a profit playing these crappy bets is rare. Good luck.

[Yo Eleven]

This 5 roll wait was in a book I read some time ago, and the purpose was to see if the shooter had a rhythm to throw the dice making numbers especially those who set the dice and throw the same way every time.

 

I firmly believe one can gain an advantage setting and throwing in a pattern, hitting the same spot at the junction of the table and backboard rather than just picking them up and throwing at random.

The ability to control dice is not a myth. I am convinced of this. When I identify that there is a precision shooter at the table I get the you know what out of there.

[unklez]

I hear where you are coming from bro but blackjack is also a game of pure chance. You don't know what cards you will be dealt just like one doesn't know how the dice will roll. Plus craps is more exciting. Blackjack puts me to sleep. LOL

 

lol. Is that because you have to exercise your brain with bj? :D

[AndyTheK]

The ability to control dice is not a myth. I am convinced of this. When I identify that there is a precision shooter at the table I get the you know what out of there.

 

Why? Without making any judgment on whether or not the shooter actually does influence the dice, it seems to me there are two possibilities. If he does NOT influence, then it makes no difference that he sets and shoots the way he does. So, no reason to leave. If he actually DOES, then you will gain an advantage betting along with him! All the more reason to stay at that table.

 

One thing you do need to think about is if he males a lot of the kind of bets you would never make (props, hardways, any craps, etc.) and actually has no influence on the dice. But you should know this pretty quickly.

 

YMMV. Good luck and shalom, Andy.

[Yo Eleven]

Why? Without making any judgment on whether or not the shooter actually does influence the dice, it seems to me there are two possibilities. If he does NOT influence, then it makes no difference that he sets and shoots the way he does. So, no reason to leave. If he actually DOES, then you will gain an advantage betting along with him! All the more reason to stay at that table.

 

One thing you do need to think about is if he males a lot of the kind of bets you would never make (props, hardways, any craps, etc.) and actually has no influence on the dice. But you should know this pretty quickly.

 

YMMV. Good luck and shalom, Andy.

Why?

 

Because I am a wrong bettor 24/7/365. :p

[Richie226]

I'll be on the Caribbean Princess sailing from New York on July 8th 2009. Hope to see some players on board.

[Yo Eleven]

I'll be on the Caribbean Princess sailing from New York on July 8th 2009. Hope to see some players on board.

What's your game bro?

 

Big Six and Big Eight? :D

[canadiancruisers11]

I'll be on the Caribbean Princess sailing from New York on July 8th 2009. Hope to see some players on board.

 

 

Richie, I'm on this cruise as well...We'll take the tables down together...Who u tavelling with and where in New York you from? What kind of player are ya?

[canadiancruisers11]

Yo,

 

I'm just finishing up John Patrick's "Craps" book...Was a good read...I'm not a big fan of the prop bets but will stay loyal to the 6-8 and the free odds...It's taught me a lot so far about all the nuances of the game, including tipping...The only practical experience I need is the lingo...

 

Question, if the point is the 4 or the 10, what is the best best seeing that there's more a chance that 7 will show? Thanks

[Yo Eleven]

Yo,

 

I'm just finishing up John Patrick's "Craps" book...Was a good read...I'm not a big fan of the prop bets but will stay loyal to the 6-8 and the free odds...It's taught me a lot so far about all the nuances of the game, including tipping...The only practical experience I need is the lingo...

 

Question, if the point is the 4 or the 10, what is the best best seeing that there's more a chance that 7 will show? Thanks

Now make certain you are making PLACE BET on the 6 and 8. STAY AWAY FROM THE BIG 6/BIG 8. You might as well flush your money town the toilet if you play that stupid bet. There is a great video for beginners for the place bets on the 6 and the 8. I will try to find it for you. It is on the web somewhere. It is a very safe way to play the 6 and the 8. You don't even need to bother with the pass line either. It will allow you to play for a LONG time without risking a lot of money. You may actually win some good money too. I will post this video if I can find it.

Okay-regarding your question. Remember the SEVEN has the most combinations on the dice. This means the odds are greater that a SEVEN will be rolled more often than ANY other number. In the situation with a 4 and the 10. MORE times than not a seven will be rolled as the 4 and the 10 have less combinations. A 6 and a 8 will be rolled more than a 4 and 10 because of the more combination of the dice to add up to these numbers.

This is why I play wrong (don't pass). Why wouldn't you bet with the number that shows up the most often on the craps table. It only makes sense. The only problem is that you got the majority of the people playing "right" (pass line) teaming up and enjoying winning together (or losing). I play to WIN. I don't give a phu*^ about making friends at the craps table. But you have to have a certain personality in my opinon to play "wrong." If you are the type of guy that doesn't like to pi$$ off people and wanna "fit in" with the crowd then you will never be comfortable playing "wrong" Now if you wanna win big bucks. More times than not I feel you will come out a winner trying to make the SEVEN come out before the point does. Cruizincurt is gonna tell me to shove it up my arse. But that is okay. I still like him. HAHAHAHA!

[Yo Eleven]

Video on place betting the 6 and 8.

 

This is very basic but this is the video I was talking about in my last post.

 

[cruzincurt]

Cruizincurt is gonna tell me to shove it up my arse. But that is okay. I still like him. HAHAHAHA!

 

I wouldn't want to deter you from playing the dark side; someone has to pay for the casino.:) I will take great pleasure in the house taking your money and that of other dark siders as I set the dice and roll numbers.:D

 

I really enjoy someone sneaking up to the table with chips in their hands and casually slipping their chips down on the Don'ts as I roll and hit my numbers. They are real quiet and hope no one notices. Then they slink away hoping no one notices when they lose.:p I don't recall ever seeing a dark side player buy in with cash, they always seem to have their chips in their hands when they come up to the table so as not to attract attention. I notice they are typically one time bettors then they sneak away if they win or lose.

Edited June 23, 2009 by cruzincurt

[Yo Eleven]

I wouldn't want to deter you from playing the dark side; someone has to pay for the casino.:) I will take great pleasure in the house taking your money and that of other dark siders as I set the dice and roll numbers.:D

 

I really enjoy someone sneaking up to the table with chips in their hands and casually slipping their chips down on the Don'ts as I roll and hit my numbers. They are real quiet and hope no one notices. Then they slink away hoping no one notices when they lose.:p I don't recall ever seeing a dark side player buy in with cash, they always seem to have their chips in their hands when they come up to the table so as not to attract attention. I notice they are typically one time bettors then they sneak away if they win or lose.

I would be your first one then. That being me tossing some 100s on the table and buying my chips. Then I place a bunch of bets on the table including my don't pass bet. I can see your face now. Watching as I place the don't pass bet with a bunch of other bets. As you are laughing at me to yourself for the next couple of minutes you then begin to wonder how the *&!^ I got paid a profit on the come out roll ELEVEN. Still not able to figure it out another few minutes goes by and you find that your bets are being removed and my don't 4, 5, and 10 are being payed each as the Big Red was shoved up your nose. Take that to the BANK! HAHA! :D

Edited June 23, 2009 by Yo Eleven

[cruzincurt]

To each his own!:p

[Yo Eleven]

To each his own!:p

Let me ask you this. I may have already can't remember.

Who has the advantage when the point is made? The right bettor or the wrong bettor?

[cruzincurt]

The quick answer is the casino. IMO it depends on the number, and the shooter.

 

You have to set the dice and try. Just throwing the dice has no edge. I hate to admit this, but when the table has a lot of newbies who start out with $10 or $20, make two throws and 7 out, I have been tempted to go dark. :o Instead I may only make one bet and wait for another shooter.

[Yo Eleven]

The quick answer is the casino. IMO it depends on the number, and the shooter.

 

You have to set the dice and try. Just throwing the dice has no edge. I hate to admit this, but when the table has a lot of newbies who start out with $10 or $20, make two throws and 7 out, I have been tempted to go dark. :o Instead I may only make one bet and wait for another shooter.

The casino wasn't one of the choices I gave. :p

Edited June 23, 2009 by Yo Eleven

[NancyNM]

Let me ask you this. I may have already can't remember.

Who has the advantage when the point is made? The right bettor or the wrong bettor?

 

Before point is established, the right-bettor has the advantage.

 

After the point is established, the wrong-bettor has the advantage.

 

Before the point is established, the right bettor has 8 ways to win (7,11) and 4 ways to lose (2,3,12). But after the point is established, the 7 is more likely than any individual point (either 2-1, 3-2 or 6-5).

 

Before the point is established, the wrong bettor has 3 ways to win (2,3) and 8 ways to lose (7,11). A 12 is a push. But after the point is established any individual point is less likely than a 7 (either 1-2, 2-3 or 5-6). If the 12 wasn't a push, the wrong bettor would actually have a statistical advantage.

 

Some wrong bettors don't like to play the 6 or 8 when it's the point. They will "wave it off", meaning they get their money back, which the casino is happy to do. They are fools, since once the point is established their best bet at the table is that 6 or 8 don't pass (which pays even money on 5-6 odds).

 

You can never take down your pass-line bet after a point is established, because the casino has the advantage at that point (you have the advantage before the point is established). You can always take down your don't pass bet after a point is established, because YOU have the advantage at that point (and you have the disadvantage before the point is established).

 

Pass and Don't Pass have exactly the same odds overall, they just differ in when the player has the advantage and when the house has the advantage.

 

I play don't pass sometimes when the table is cold, but I don't enjoy it. The rhythm isn't as exciting. I was once on a cruise ship where the table was ice cold and all the players decided to play don't pass. For the whole rest of the cruise! Soooo boring! I call it the "Cruise ship phenomenon" as you would never get stuck like that in a real casino (the players would change over and/or you could go down the street to a different casino...).

 

I love craps. I play pass w/2 come bets + odds, and will place the 6 and 8 (sometimes not until I've won at least one point -- depends on my bankroll vs. the minimum bets) if they're not covered by the time I have my 3 points. Ignore all the bets in the middle of the table!

Nancy

[Yo Eleven]

Before point is established, the right-bettor has the advantage.

 

After the point is established, the wrong-bettor has the advantage.

 

Before the point is established, the right bettor has 8 ways to win (7,11) and 4 ways to lose (2,3,12). But after the point is established, the 7 is more likely than any individual point (either 2-1, 3-2 or 6-5).

 

Before the point is established, the wrong bettor has 3 ways to win (2,3) and 8 ways to lose (7,11). A 12 is a push. But after the point is established any individual point is less likely than a 7 (either 1-2, 2-3 or 5-6). If the 12 wasn't a push, the wrong bettor would actually have a statistical advantage.

 

Some wrong bettors don't like to play the 6 or 8 when it's the point. They will "wave it off", meaning they get their money back, which the casino is happy to do. They are fools, since once the point is established their best bet at the table is that 6 or 8 don't pass (which pays even money on 5-6 odds).

 

You can never take down your pass-line bet after a point is established, because the casino has the advantage at that point (you have the advantage before the point is established). You can always take down your don't pass bet after a point is established, because YOU have the advantage at that point (and you have the disadvantage before the point is established).

 

Pass and Don't Pass have exactly the same odds overall, they just differ in when the player has the advantage and when the house has the advantage.

 

I play don't pass sometimes when the table is cold, but I don't enjoy it. The rhythm isn't as exciting. I was once on a cruise ship where the table was ice cold and all the players decided to play don't pass. For the whole rest of the cruise! Soooo boring! I call it the "Cruise ship phenomenon" as you would never get stuck like that in a real casino (the players would change over and/or you could go down the street to a different casino...).

 

I love craps. I play pass w/2 come bets + odds, and will place the 6 and 8 (sometimes not until I've won at least one point -- depends on my bankroll vs. the minimum bets) if they're not covered by the time I have my 3 points. Ignore all the bets in the middle of the table!

Nancy

Nancy! Great information and explanation!

I was though trying to get cruizincurt to admit this information. LOL!

I make my playing of the don't pass fun for me!!!!!

I am there to win money. I often do not stay at the table long enough to "make friends" I am a drive by player. That being I buy in, play until I make a good profit and leave the table. Hopefully in 20 minutes or less. If the table is cold when I buy in I make a huge profit immediately and walk. I come back from time to time during as I am going to dinner, leaving dinner, in between shows to play for awhile.

It does appear that most folks play craps to have fun and have a good time and are not really concerned about winning or losing. That is okay as long as you are comfortable losing.

I on the other hand am there to get the cruiseline to pay for my trip. :D

[retnuh281]

"You can never take down your pass-line bet after a point is established, because the casino has the advantage at that point."

 

 

Last two years I have visited Costa Rica and we play at a little casino there. They let you take down your pass line bet!!!!

I don't know if it's OK or the guys working just don't know your not suppose to do this. Needless to say I have never walked away a loser.

I'll put 3 or 4 greens down, if I don't like the point, i pick up, and no one has ever questioned it. We make jokes like, if they let you do this in Vegas the lines would be out the door and each table would hold a 100 people.