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[Yo Eleven]

"You can never take down your pass-line bet after a point is established, because the casino has the advantage at that point."

 

 

Last two years I have visited Costa Rica and we play at a little casino there. They let you take down your pass line bet!!!!

I don't know if it's OK or the guys working just don't know your not suppose to do this. Needless to say I have never walked away a loser.

I'll put 3 or 4 greens down, if I don't like the point, i pick up, and no one has ever questioned it. We make jokes like, if they let you do this in Vegas the lines would be out the door and each table would hold a 100 people.

Oh my gosh, that is hilarious.

Does this place let you use a shiner at the Blackjack table? HAHAHA!!!!

[Bases5]

If you bet the don't pass line with odds.

Do you bet anything else, or just the don't pass line.

[Yo Eleven]

If you bet the don't pass line with odds.

Do you bet anything else, or just the don't pass line.

Yes.

Don't Come

Don't Come Points with odds.

I also have some bets I use on the come out rolls as well that includes the YO ELEVEN! :D

[Bases5]

Yes.

Don't Come

Don't Come Points with odds.

I also have some bets I use on the come out rolls as well that includes the YO ELEVEN! :D

 

 

What do you think of this strategies.

 

 

Many Crapshooters believe that adding odds on the don't side not only dilutes your advantage, but also uses up your bankroll at a faster rate, so let's look at flat betting with a combined don't pass and don't come bet.

If you place a $10 Don't Pass bet and want to place a $10 Don't Come bet, you have to go through another come-out with your Don't Come bet. If the seven hits while your $10 is in the Don't Come, you lose your Don't Come and win your Don't Pass. However, if you take temporary odds (use the above chart) on the Don't Pass and then make a Don't Come bet, the seven (or the point) can't hurt you.

So, this is what we will do if the table turns cold:

1. Bet $10 don't pass
   
2. When point is established, take odds as per the above chart
   
3. Make a don't come bet
   
4. When the don't come is established, remove the don't pass odds
   
5. Make a second don't come bet
   
6. Make no other bets
   
7. Wait for a decision on all three bets
   

By combining the Don't Pass bet with the Don't Come bet, you get the maximum advantage with the minimum risk.

So, if you wondered what was the best way of betting from the don't side, now you know!

[Yo Eleven]

What do you think of this strategies.

 

 

Many Crapshooters believe that adding odds on the don't side not only dilutes your advantage, but also uses up your bankroll at a faster rate, so let's look at flat betting with a combined don't pass and don't come bet.

If you place a $10 Don't Pass bet and want to place a $10 Don't Come bet, you have to go through another come-out with your Don't Come bet. If the seven hits while your $10 is in the Don't Come, you lose your Don't Come and win your Don't Pass. However, if you take temporary odds (use the above chart) on the Don't Pass and then make a Don't Come bet, the seven (or the point) can't hurt you.

 

So, this is what we will do if the table turns cold:

1. Bet $10 don't pass
   
2. When point is established, take odds as per the above chart
   
3. Make a don't come bet
   
4. When the don't come is established, remove the don't pass odds
   
5. Make a second don't come bet
   
6. Make no other bets
   
7. Wait for a decision on all three bets
   

By combining the Don't Pass bet with the Don't Come bet, you get the maximum advantage with the minimum risk.

So, if you wondered what was the best way of betting from the don't side, now you know!

Can you provide the "above chart" please?

[Bases5]

On both the Don't Come and the Don't Pass, your odds payoff is the exact opposite from the pass or come line. On the don't side, you always have to bet more to win less. For example, with a $10 flat bet on either the Don't Come or Don't Pass, you will receive the following odds payoffs playing at a 2X odds table:

4 or 10 bet $40 to receive $205 or 9bet $30 to receive $206 or 8bet $30 to receive $25

[Yo Eleven]

On both the Don't Come and the Don't Pass, your odds payoff is the exact opposite from the pass or come line. On the don't side, you always have to bet more to win less. For example, with a $10 flat bet on either the Don't Come or Don't Pass, you will receive the following odds payoffs playing at a 2X odds table:

4 or 10 bet $40 to receive $205 or 9bet $30 to receive $206 or 8bet $30 to receive $25

 

I don't know where you are getting such a high payoff amounts on laying odds. Maybe I am missing something with your explanation, but this is how I understand it:

 

In contrast, a $10 don't pass bet with double odds offers 90 percent certainty of being alive after 400 come-out cycles and a 61 percent chance of reaching the $500 profit target. The odds portion of your bet would be $40 to win $20 on the four and 10, $30 to win $20 on the five and nine, and $24 to win $20 on the six and eight. By laying double odds on a $10 bet, you're therefore much more apt to earn your day's pay and have slightly less chance of survival than with a $25 flat wager. And, don't think you're risking all that much more moolah by laying odds. Your effective exposure is only marginally higher because nearly a third of your wagers will be resolved during come-out rolls when only the flat portion is up for grabs. Betting $10 flat and laying double odds, you're averaging $30.57 on the table per cycle. And, when you have the most in jeopardy -- on points of four or 10 -- you have the best chance of winning.

 

Source: Al Krigman 14 Apr 2000

Should You Lay Odds When Betting "Don't Pass" at Craps?

 

[Yo Eleven]

What do you think of this strategies.

 

 

Many Crapshooters believe that adding odds on the don't side not only dilutes your advantage, but also uses up your bankroll at a faster rate, so let's look at flat betting with a combined don't pass and don't come bet.

If you place a $10 Don't Pass bet and want to place a $10 Don't Come bet, you have to go through another come-out with your Don't Come bet. If the seven hits while your $10 is in the Don't Come, you lose your Don't Come and win your Don't Pass. However, if you take temporary odds (use the above chart) on the Don't Pass and then make a Don't Come bet, the seven (or the point) can't hurt you.

 

So, this is what we will do if the table turns cold:

1. Bet $10 don't pass
   
2. When point is established, take odds as per the above chart
   
3. Make a don't come bet
   
4. When the don't come is established, remove the don't pass odds
   
5. Make a second don't come bet
   
6. Make no other bets
   
7. Wait for a decision on all three bets
   

By combining the Don't Pass bet with the Don't Come bet, you get the maximum advantage with the minimum risk.

So, if you wondered what was the best way of betting from the don't side, now you know!

In regards to this system.

I am confused though why you would remove any off the odds you lay on a established don't point. You are favored to win. Why pull them down? Yes you have to lay more money to have a bigger payoff, but the game is in your favor now. This is exactly why the casino allows you to take off your don't bets.

[Fire 331]

First nice thread Yoeleven. I enjoy the banter between you and Cruzincurt. As I mentioned before I like playing with the shooter and I agree with you a shooter does have an impact on the dice (may be superstition on my part) but a person has to feel right at the table,a person knows when he leaves the dice go if it will be a good or bad throw) Your betting the numbers while against the shooter is interesting. However I agree with Cruzincurt that I have observed more "dark side" players walk away form the table after only a few bets, for whatever reason, but I have also viewed some go away with big winnings. This should be an intersting cruise at the table.

[Yo Eleven]

First nice thread Yoeleven. I enjoy the banter between you and Cruzincurt. As I mentioned before I like playing with the shooter and I agree with you a shooter does have an impact on the dice (may be superstition on my part) but a person has to feel right at the table,a person knows when he leaves the dice go if it will be a good or bad throw) Your betting the numbers while against the shooter is interesting. However I agree with Cruzincurt that I have observed more "dark side" players walk away form the table after only a few bets, for whatever reason, but I have also viewed some go away with big winnings. This should be an intersting cruise at the table.

Glad you like the new casino section and thread. I had just joined the site and was hoping to get one here fast and they put it up thankfully.

 

cruzincurt? Who is that? Name rings a bell, sort of I think. :D

 

Well I can attest that most don't bettors are (enter your favorite noun that starts with an a and ends in an s) and come off as being arrogant and snobbish. However, several are there to play the game and win money and understand the concept of betting "with the house" as the seven is the most rolled. These folks understand the game and will respect the right bettors and decline to throw and pass the dice to the next player and not yell out seven.

 

My attitude while I play my system depends on how the others treat my presence at the table. If they are nice and make funny jokes I am okay with it. But, if the comments become personal and serious such as blaming me for them losing their money then I can get real ugly. When there are jerks at the table I will certainly throw the dice and throw randomly and actually yell come on "Big Red" after the point is established. Unfortunately, I have turned the tables on personal attacks towards me to the point where the pass line player that has the mental disorder threatens me. It rarely happens though. I can count maybe once or twice that this has happened whenever I play but there is always someone that suffers from cruizincurtitis that takes their anger about losing money at the table because on me. Everyone can play their own way and it is ignorant to believe that a don't player affects the outcome of the table.

 

More times than not I am only at the table for a short time though. I play in sessions. My ideal session is less than 20 minutes. I like to take my profit and get out while I am ahead. The house ALWAYS has the advantage and even if you are winning big, you will start to lose and give it all back. You have to know when to walk away, especially if you are interested in pocketing profits.

 

Do I play for fun? Somewhat if the crowd is cool. But my main objective is to get my profit and run. I play to win.

Edited June 25, 2009 by Yo Eleven

[Fire 331]

Agree with every thing you wrote the only thing I would add is you should always be paying yourself back with your winnings so when you leave the table you always leave with something.

[cruzincurt]

 

cruzincurt? Who is that? Name rings a bell, sort of I think. :D

 

It rarely happens though. I can count maybe once or twice that this has happened whenever I play but there is always someone that suffers from cruizincurtitis that takes their anger about losing money at the table because on me.

 

Now Yo, you are putting words in my mouth. :( I have no problem whatsoever with "dark" side players. I just like to see them lose when I'm throw'n. If I lose my money while I'm throw'n it's my own fault, not that someone is playing against me. I don't appreciate them complaining at me when their big "dark" side bet goes down.

 

There's room at the table for all persuasions.:)

[Yo Eleven]

Now Yo, you are putting words in my mouth. :( I have no problem whatsoever with "dark" side players. I just like to see them lose when I'm throw'n. If I lose my money while I'm throw'n it's my own fault, not that someone is playing against me. I don't appreciate them complaining at me when their big "dark" side bet goes down.

 

There's room at the table for all persuasions.:)

My smoke out post worked! HAHAHA!

Talk about swinging a carrot in front of a rabbit. :D

Yeah, I know what ya meant though. Just playing with ya, buddy!

[Bases5]

Ok

If you play on the dark side, say $10

after the point you put odd's

I the amount you put behind (odds) different to different points or is it all the same like double odd"s?

$10 = $20

[Yo Eleven]

Ok

If you play on the dark side, say $10

after the point you put odd's

I the amount you put behind (odds) different to different points or is it all the same like double odd"s?

$10 = $20

When you are playing the dark side, you lay rather than take odds.

You also do not put the odds bet behind the don't pass bet. You place the bet to the side of the don't pass bet. (side closest to the dealers if you are playing on the ends of the table.) You also make to top of the chip a little offset from the rest of the stack on your don't pass odds bet.

 

Make certain when you are placing don't odds that you are placing the correct amount of money so if it wins the amount paid is a whole dollar amount. Casinos will not give you "coin" to pay you. They will round to the lower dollar amount and you will be losing out on winnings. Most casinos will actually advise you of this, but some won't. For example.

 

If the point is a 6 or 8. You want to lay to opposite amount of denomination as you would on pass line odds. Pass line gets paid 6 to 5. On the pass line you must make your odds bet in multiples of 5$. However, on the don't you make your odds in multiples of 6$.

 

If the point is a 5 or 9. Again you will lay the opposite amount. Pass line gets paid 3 to 2. On the pass line you must make your odds bet in multiples of $2. On the don't your odds will be made in multiples of $3.

 

If the point is 4 or 10. On the pass line odds you can make them in any denomimation as the payoff is 2 to 1. However, once again the reverse happens on the don't odds. You must make them in multiples of $2 to be paid off evenly when you win.

 

In summary, the don't pass/don't come point odds works opposite to the pass line and come point odds. You have to lay more odds on the dark side to win more money.

 

Here are some examples of making don't pass odds.

 

You have a $10 bet on on Don't Pass on a 2X odds table.

The point is 8.

Don't odds has to be in multiples of 6.

You can either lay $6, $12, $18 if you like.

 

You have a $10 bet on Don't Pass on a 2X odds table.

The point is 9.

Don't odds has to be in multiples of 3.

You can either lay $3, $6, $9, $12, $15, or $18.

 

You have a $10 bet on Don't Pass on a 2X odds table.

The point is 10.

Don't odds has to be in multiples of 2.

You can either lay $2, $4, $6, $8, $10, $12, $14, $16, $18, $20.

 

I hope this helps.

See ya back here.

[Bases5]

Perfect.

That exactly what I was asking. We are leaving today for 8 glorious sun drench days and want to play some craps

 

The dark side kind of excite's me.

Here in Fl our casino's have all the Vegas game's except roulette and crap's. You can have roulette but would love to play crap's with a little knowledge.

 

I will report back and let you know how your pupil did!!!

I know pass the dice

 

Off to the dark side

[Yo Eleven]

Perfect.

That exactly what I was asking. We are leaving today for 8 glorious sun drench days and want to play some craps

 

The dark side kind of excite's me.

Here in Fl our casino's have all the Vegas game's except roulette and crap's. You can have roulette but would love to play crap's with a little knowledge.

 

I will report back and let you know how your pupil did!!!

I know pass the dice

 

Off to the dark side

Dude now you got me all hyped up. I got the day off and I am gonna shoot craps today. I actually don't live far from ya but I am on the east side. There are local gaming boats that offere craps here. Perhaps one day you can come over here and play and I can share with you some more enhanced betting strategy for the dark side. It is too hard to explain in words. You would have to see how it done. Have fun on your trip and remember to LEAVE the table when you are winning. If your bank is $200 let say and you are up 50 bucks get out and come back later. The higher your bank the higher you can wait to take your profit. If you are a high roller with a $1000 bank take a break if you see you are up a couple of hundred. Also of course if you see the table is hot don't play just watch. You don't want to start off on the wrong foot. The bigger the bank you have you have much more wiggle room. Be smart how you play and good luck.

[Richie226]

Don't lose sight of the fact that we all just want to beat the casino not another player who's just trying to make a buck just like us.

[Yo Eleven]

Don't lose sight of the fact that we all just want to beat the casino not another player who's just trying to make a buck just like us.

Speaking of a beating. I just spanked the casino now. Winner winner chicken dinner. Posted via blackberry ship to shore. Whoo hoo!

[Yo Eleven]

Oh does anyone know what is up with some player that bring pen and paper to the craps table? It appears they are writing down what each roll turns up on the dice. How does this help them. Dice have no memory so isn't this a waste of time? Or are they writing down other stuff I don't know about. Never understood the pen and paper craps player. :confused:

[AndyTheK]

Perhaps they THINK that the dice have a memory.

 

Another possibility (and most likely answer) is that some betting systems are so complex that you have to keep written notes on what you are doing.

 

To each his/her own.

[Yo Eleven]

Perhaps they THINK that the dice have a memory.

 

Another possibility (and most likely answer) is that some betting systems are so complex that you have to keep written notes on what you are doing.

 

To each his/her own.

Well this particular player was more into is little crib sheet than the game himself. He was very tight lipped. I even tried to ask him about it but he gave me a half jacked up answer. I could tell he didn't want me to know what he was doing so I left it alone. I did sneak a peek now and then to see what he was writing. The sheet was rather small and had a grid on it with a bunch of tiny squares. Of course he was noting what each roll of the dice was. But was making other notations that I could not read. But it was killing me to know what he system was. Maybe as you say he was keeping notes on what he was doing because of a complex system. He was winning though while I was there so his system was working at the time for him.

[Yo Eleven]

I love this online craps table. It is great for practice.

 

Blow the page up 200 percent and you will be able to see everything. You can pretty much make all the bets. Of course you can't make any call bets though. :D

 

http://casino-directory.lots0cash.com/online-craps.htm

[ETski]

I love this online craps table. It is great for practice.

 

Blow the page up 200 percent and you will be able to see everything. You can pretty much make all the bets. Of course you can't make any call bets though. :D

 

http://casino-directory.lots0cash.com/online-craps.htm

 

This site is pretty cool. Now I have to learn the pay offs and different ways to bet. I will have to read back on the posts and see if I can figure out the dark side that you love so much. I would never use it on the tables but want to learn it.

As I stated before I do the come line with odds and then two come bets with odds. KISS while I am learning.

ed :D

[Yo Eleven]

This site is pretty cool. Now I have to learn the pay offs and different ways to bet. I will have to read back on the posts and see if I can figure out the dark side that you love so much. I would never use it on the tables but want to learn it.

As I stated before I do the come line with odds and then two come bets with odds. KISS while I am learning.

ed :D

You are smart to go ahead and learn how the dark side works. An experienced craps player will learn how every bet works in the game whether or not they will make that bet. It is not my goal to convince all that the dark side is the way to play. It is simply a preference. As long as you stay away from the sucker bets one can make a significant win playing either right or wrong. I do anticipate once you understand how the dark side works you may actually try it especially if you find yourself at a really cold table. As I said before I choose to play the dark side because I think that betting with the seven increases your chances of a win. Yes, you will be an outcast and not make many friends. But I am not there to make any friends. I am there to win. That is my story and I am sticking to it. Good luck. :)

Edited June 28, 2009 by Yo Eleven