Craps Players Step Inside!

[ZiggyKeys]

Although I have not read all 200 prior posts I thought I would let all the other degenerate crap players know that I ran into a 3,4 & 5 times odds table on the Solstice during a May '09 Med Cruise.

 

That was nice of Celebrity to do that & just hoping I 'll find the same situation on Equinox during our Jan '10 cruise. :p

 

Those 2X odds tables make the Come Bet a real grind for the return.

 

JMHO

 

Ziggy

[primo1]

I have just been playing craps for a few years. I learned the game to kill time between blackjack sessions. But wouldn't 1x odds be a waste of time and most of all money? The key is to bet low on the pass line, then take advantage of 5 to 7 x odds.

It just seems to me like playing blackjack at a CSM machine and dealer hits soft 17.

[Yo Eleven]

Although I have not read all 200 prior posts I thought I would let all the other degenerate crap players know that I ran into a 3,4 & 5 times odds table on the Solstice during a May '09 Med Cruise.

 

That was nice of Celebrity to do that & just hoping I 'll find the same situation on Equinox during our Jan '10 cruise. :p

 

Those 2X odds tables make the Come Bet a real grind for the return.

 

JMHO

 

Ziggy

Yep I am seeing this setup more often these days. Pretty cool! Hopefully, more cruiselines will adopt this policy.

[Yo Eleven]

Can anyone tell me the difference between regular craps and mini-craps? I assume some of the board is missing in the smaller version, but what?

Yes you pretty much got it. These were at one time very popular in Vegas years ago. It was actually a 1/2 a craps table with stools around it. It was like having a private game as there were very few players at each table. They have all but vanished and finding them these days is rare. But the game is essentially exactly the same except you are playing half a table. Hope this helps.

[ZiggyKeys]

Yep I am seeing this setup more often these days. Pretty cool! Hopefully, more cruiselines will adopt this policy.

 

And to add further.....

 

Certainly like the fact that the ships (at least the ones I've been on) are still paying 3/2 on BJ.

 

Hope the 'Vegas 6/5 garbage doesn't spread to the sea !!!

[Yo Eleven]

And to add further.....

 

Certainly like the fact that the ships (at least the ones I've been on) are still paying 3/2 on BJ.

 

Hope the 'Vegas 6/5 garbage doesn't spread to the sea !!!

Hopefully not, as most of these ships are not registered US. But we will have to wait and see.

[Yo Eleven]

Hi Yo!!!! Thanks for the warm welcom and I look forward to participating in this forum.

 

I am definitely a rarity at the table especially on the don't side. My sister in law and I who usually travel together both play craps. I got her into the game. I am always looking for the best strategy and play and still struggle with many mostly money management techniques. I sometimes am a straight basic strategy Pass/Come and Don'tPass/Don't Come player with no more than 3 bets on the table. (if I can get them up there)

 

I sometimes will play the line while waiting for a decision. When I do this in conjunction with the don't, I take down the place bets after one hit and that assures me a small profit. This of course is when I fill a little daring and as long as the shooters are not "one hit wonders" this has proven quite profitable at times. Once I take the point down, I don't worry about how many times that the point hits after that. This is something that I just started experimenting with.

 

I also sometimes hedge on the 4 & 10 lay bet on the come out roll to cover the seven & eleven. I read someone in the thread mention that don't players never buy into the game. I have not had that be my experience, and typically color out at the end of each session. I guess my response to that is that if any player enters the game with chips instead of cash, maybe they are playing with previous session profits and don't need their cash. I will try to always leave my initial buy in in the room along with a percentage of my winnings.

 

I have to control my compulsiveness sometimes to enter the game while waiting on a decision on the don't. That is the hard for me when a lot of numbers are rolling. Sure as the world when I jump in to take advantage of a hot shooter, they 7 out when I enter. But as a basic strategy player for the most part, I stick with Don't/Don't Come with the occassional 6 & 8. If I play the 4 & 10, I usually buy them instead of placing them. I typically take no action on the 6 & 8 on the DC. When playing the DC, I have a couple of ways that I play with the table. One is to try to get my DC's up on roll 2 & 3 quickly and wait. The other is if I feel like the shooter may have a lot of numbers in them, I will space out my DC wagers every 2-3 rolls in an attempt to limit my exposure to repeating numbers, but still try to get at least 2 DC's up. Sometimes I don't make it up. I also try to play at least 2x 3x odds, depending on my bankroll.

 

That's a little about me, but I am here on this thread to learn and benefit from the knowledge of others. I don't know that I will be able to contribut any knowledge past my own experiences and am always trying to become a more affective player. Although I do pretty good, I want to learn more. The dealers are always pretty friendly and I will draw from there knowledge too.

 

I will be back to address your other thoughts/points a bit later. I would love to get your feedback on my methodology of play and others as well. That's what I'm here for. I wish we could play together since you have, as you put it, "NEVER" seen a predominately female dark sider. My family like to take junkets to different casinos, who knows.......:D

It is obvious you know what you are doing! GREAT!

[Yo Eleven]

Yo,

I am sorry to hear that you too have been in altercations simply because of your choice of play. Hopefully I have had my first and last. I will never understand why someone is upset about how I choose to spend my money and feel the need to dictate that.

 

You questioned how I felt the line was crossed beyond throwing the chip at me. The specific very inappropriate and hurtful comments including the “B” word is one that I won’t belabor with a lot of details here. But let’s just say some of the things were rude and demeaning. I am choosing not to repeat the insults in this forum, but believe that my only retort to them remained simply about playing the game and no personal attacks to the individual. I simply wanted the situation diffused and felt that once they threw a chip, that there should have been some sort of intervention. I am quite effective at tuning out the stares, whispers and comments of others and really don’t mind the attention as long as it’s not threatening. That is why this was so shocking to me, because it appeared to me that me not responding annoyed them even more. I am not confrontational or antagonistic and try to have fun while keeping a relatively low profile. My motto is kill-em with kindness and keep racking my chips, because for me, fun and making money is all that I’m there for. As long as I’m making money, trust me, I’m having fun, whichever side I’m playing from.

 

Yes, we are sailing on the Fascination next week and it’s not very much encouragement for my upcoming sailing. (LOL) This will also be my first time on this sailing and a short itinerary. This is a sailing with a group of family and friends so a lot of them will be at the table with me either playing or watching. Of all of the sailings where I will be at the tables, I will probably feel the safest and most secure this time. I believe I am a little more on guard these days and will speak with the Casino Host and Manager upon my sailing. I plan to explain what happened on May sailing and just see what their policy is if I feel that the atmosphere towards my personal space is hostile. Past that, as long as no one approaches me physically, I will be okay.

 

I am always a friend to the dealers at the table and usually ask them how they want their tip and let them choose. Sometimes I’ll put them up on the hardways or on the line. Don’t ask me why, but for some reason, I can’t bring myself to put their tip on the Don’t. That feels sort of TABU to me.

We enjoy sailing period, but have more Carnival cruises to our credit than others including RCCL and Princess. I know that any cruise or land based casino can have jerks so I just want to make sure that someone is looking after my safety wherever I am. I love traveling and cruising with a little (okay quite a bit) gambling thrown in. Again, I look forward to continuing to get lots of useful information from fellow gamers and would love to get feedback when I can. I actually like it when someone at the table especially someone that knows the game, challenges a perceived method. It’s good because it allows me make a case for my logic of the play and they then can share why they do or don’t think that is a smart play. I think this is a good way of my learning. I take it under advisement and sometimes it works, but I have to understand the rationale.

I have never seen hostility against a female craps player. This is strange to me. Then again, I have never seen a female wrong bettor. I would tell you this much if I happened to be at the table that night and those guys were acting like that towards you it would be a safe bet that they would suspend my play for the day/night due to my "rebuttle." I would not have tolerated that.

 

On the good side, normally you play with no problems at all. It isn't often that I get into a verbal debate but it does happen. It's stupid but remember there is drinking and money involved. And when that happens people tend to act stupid. But there is a difference between acting stupid and taking personal digs at you like that. Damn shame that happened. But, I wouldn't let it bother you. Stand strong when you are on the fascination. Also, I assume you are playing right next to the dealer right?

It surprises me that they would let the garbage go that far. Anytime the namecalling and three and four letter insults were exchanged across the table, the game would actually stopped until everyone calms down. If not, they simply will shut the table down if most everyone is involved. They actually shut the table down when me and this guy were about to fight after he threatened to beat me with the dealer's stick. I was told that although initially I was not the troublemaker and did nothing wrong, that it did not help the situation by me telling me what I thought of his mother and in graphic details. I was liquored up so that was my excuse. HAHAHA! No time in the brig though. But man, it sucked not having to be able to play for an entire day of the cruise. But it was fun telling him off though. HAHA!

 

Man you all got me all riled up and I am headed to the gaming boat now. I hope I don't actually get into a fight tonight. Man I am hyped up. I hope there is peace between the wrong bettors and right bettors and it doesn't end up like this. LOL!

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvpit-Aeuak

 

:p

Edited July 10, 2009 by Yo Eleven

[teeredi2cruise]

Very good read folks. I have seen many altercations in land based casinos and on the water. Iam talkin physical altercations. 10 years ago I saw a

guy get Kung Fu'd by a fellow player and it was horrible. I think he is still in the Hospital since I did not read or hear about his death.

To this day I get soooo close to make sly remarks arguments etc..

You just have to fugeddaboutit! Let it go. When you are on a cruise ship

there is no other casino to visit. And it wouldn't be to dificult for some crazy person to hunt you down like a dog. Just be cool, look away. Don't ever do the smiley face thing either, that will just add more fuel to the fire.

Hello Primo1

I guess that I have been extremely fortunate or just don't play often enough that I have not been exposed to many altercations. I try to remain very friendly to my tablemates to disarm them against whatever my perceived play is to the table. I figure if you don't think I'm personally a bad person, you shouldn't be upset with the decision of the dice. I don't take it personal against anyone if they win and if someone has a good role, I applaud them. I don't understand why someone would take it personally against me for having a bet on the right side of the dice at the right time. I enjoy the game also for the comradarie and don't feel that I have to give that up simply because of my choice of playing method. But I also am not sweating it if people snear at my choice either. I love your line though: fugeddaboutit! My new slogan. Maybe I should wear that on a t-shirt at the table. That would be a hoot!

Edited July 10, 2009 by teeredi2cruise

[cruzincurt]

Sounds to me cruizincurt was at your table that night! HAHAHA!

 

I just had to slam cruizincurt with this slider at your expense.

 

??? :confused:

[Yo Eleven]

??? :confused:

I was jokingly suggesting that you must have been on that sailing and slinging out insults to the nice young lady here. A dig on you for being a right bettor. Class dismissed. Haha

In other news. A very peaceful night on the boat right now. I made a really good profit tonight. No fights or name calling from anyone. A very nice game.

[teeredi2cruise]

I have never seen hostility against a female craps player. This is strange to me. Then again, I have never seen a female wrong bettor. I would tell you this much if I happened to be at the table that night and those guys were acting like that towards you it would be a safe bet that they would suspend my play for the day/night due to my "rebuttle." I would not have tolerated that.

 

On the good side, normally you play with no problems at all. It isn't often that I get into a verbal debate but it does happen. It's stupid but remember there is drinking and money involved. And when that happens people tend to act stupid. But there is a difference between acting stupid and taking personal digs at you like that. Damn shame that happened. But, I wouldn't let it bother you. Stand strong when you are on the fascination. Also, I assume you are playing right next to the dealer right?

It surprises me that they would let the garbage go that far. Anytime the namecalling and three and four letter insults were exchanged across the table, the game would actually stopped until everyone calms down. If not, they simply will shut the table down if most everyone is involved. They actually shut the table down when me and this guy were about to fight after he threatened to beat me with the dealer's stick. I was told that although initially I was not the troublemaker and did nothing wrong, that it did not help the situation by me telling me what I thought of his mother and in graphic details. I was liquored up so that was my excuse. HAHAHA! No time in the brig though. But man, it sucked not having to be able to play for an entire day of the cruise. But it was fun telling him off though. HAHA!

 

Man you all got me all riled up and I am headed to the gaming boat now. I hope I don't actually get into a fight tonight. Man I am hyped up. I hope there is peace between the wrong bettors and right bettors and it doesn't end up like this. LOL!

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvpit-Aeuak

 

:p

 

You are my hero:D and a man after my heart! I hope that everyone continues to have luck at the tables, but I can't, no I won't be doing the Jerry Springer thing....:D:D:D Too funny. Thank you for your kind words. I haven't actually played since May 09 when this incident happen and I guess my confidence was a bit shaken, but you all are giving me my courage to play again. Thanks again!

[NancyNM]

I have never seen hostility against a female craps player. This is strange to me. Then again, I have never seen a female wrong bettor. [...]

 

Odd that you haven't run into many female wrong bettors. I have seen quite a few in my time -- probably the same percentage as male wrong bettors.

 

I also haven't found being a female craps player to draw that much attention, except occasionally if you have a complete newbie female shooter that people hope will be lucky. Personally I'm not particularly lucky or unlucky -- I've had my share of hot rolls, but on average I roll a 7 about 16.6667% of the time ;-/

 

I have had the dealers ask me if I was a dealer, I guess because I knew too much of the lingo -- told them they had "dirty stacks" and that kind of thing...

 

If I was going to generalize at all, I'd say most female craps players who are alone (as opposed to just hanging on their boyfriend/spouse or in a big group) tend to actually know the game pretty well, compared to the average male craps player.

 

Nancy

P.S. Most of my craps playing has been in Reno, Vegas, or Indian casinos near Albuquerque. I have only played on a cruise ship once, and as I mentioned earlier on this thread *everybody* was playing the dark side cruise!

[Yo Eleven]

Odd that you haven't run into many female wrong bettors. I have seen quite a few in my time -- probably the same percentage as male wrong bettors.

 

I also haven't found being a female craps player to draw that much attention, except occasionally if you have a complete newbie female shooter that people hope will be lucky. Personally I'm not particularly lucky or unlucky -- I've had my share of hot rolls, but on average I roll a 7 about 16.6667% of the time ;-/

 

I have had the dealers ask me if I was a dealer, I guess because I knew too much of the lingo -- told them they had "dirty stacks" and that kind of thing...

 

If I was going to generalize at all, I'd say most female craps players who are alone (as opposed to just hanging on their boyfriend/spouse or in a big group) tend to actually know the game pretty well, compared to the average male craps player.

Nancy

P.S. Most of my craps playing has been in Reno, Vegas, or Indian casinos near Albuquerque. I have only played on a cruise ship once, and as I mentioned earlier on this thread *everybody* was playing the dark side cruise!

Hey Nancy: Nope never seen a female bettor play wrong for over 90 percent of the time before. Yes, sure, from time to time I have seen a female place ONE don't pass bet, but NEVER a female player that will put up a don't pass bet, then try to get two don't come points, and then place the 6 and 8. Never happened.

[Yo Eleven]

You are my hero:D and a man after my heart! I hope that everyone continues to have luck at the tables, but I can't, no I won't be doing the Jerry Springer thing....:D:D:D Too funny. Thank you for your kind words. I haven't actually played since May 09 when this incident happen and I guess my confidence was a bit shaken, but you all are giving me my courage to play again. Thanks again!

Who wouldn't want to win the heart of a 5'6" 130 pound lady? :D

Which really confuses the heck out of me as to why these clowns were acting the way they did. Clearly, you didn't have a 6'6" weightlifter by your side as he would have put them in their place. So why the hostility by them. Very weird, especially on a cruise when folks are trying to meet others and have a good time. :confused:

[Yo Eleven]

We all heard of crooked dice, but has anyone ever heard of a crooked craps table?

 

The reason I ask is some folks swear this particular place has one. I won't disclose the alledged place though as there is no facts to support it. But, they say that the table is magnetic and this actually affects the dice and gives the house the ability to make more seven's show up on the dice. It sounds crazy but so is sending people to land on the moon. If that can be done, so can this I guess.

 

Any thoughts?

[primo1]

Good news for the Darkside Players!

[cruzincurt]

Never heard of a crooked dice table. Maybe the dice are printed with metallic ink?

 

I have seen the Vegas cheat show where they had someone in a wheelchair with an electromagnet under the table and loaded dice with a metal insert.

 

I don't think the casino has to cheat, they always have the advantage. I just don't understand why the cruise ships are so afraid of 2X or more odds.

 

I have witnessed, during a long hot roll, the pit boss will disrupt the game by bringing over more chips and stopping the flow of the game. Or they will be slow in returning the dice to the hot shooter. They also sometimes caution me for throwing the dice too high. I heard in St. Maarten they won't let you set the dice.

[primo1]

Did you see that one show about the Craps Team?

That one guy (forgot his name) was able to set the dice and call out the number.

[Yo Eleven]

Did you see that one show about the Craps Team?

That one guy (forgot his name) was able to set the dice and call out the number.

Never seen that show, but crooked dice are known to exist. What I am looking for is if a crooked craps table that is magnetic exists and creates a seven as the number?

[OCruisers]

Hey Nancy: Nope never seen a female bettor play wrong for over 90 percent of the time before. Yes, sure, from time to time I have seen a female place ONE don't pass bet, but NEVER a female player that will put up a don't pass bet, then try to get two don't come points, and then place the 6 and 8. Never happened.

 

HELLO! I'm the female part of OCruisers! In land casinos I am always a wrong bettor! :D

 

I bet the Don't Pass ... then do two "Don't Come" bets ...naturally backing them up.

 

You are right about on cruise ships! Somehow, I have a hard time (and would not enjoy) betting against fellow passengers. :rolleyes:

[teeredi2cruise]

Odd that you haven't run into many female wrong bettors. I have seen quite a few in my time -- probably the same percentage as male wrong bettors.

 

I also haven't found being a female craps player to draw that much attention, except occasionally if you have a complete newbie female shooter that people hope will be lucky. Personally I'm not particularly lucky or unlucky -- I've had my share of hot rolls, but on average I roll a 7 about 16.6667% of the time ;-/

 

I have had the dealers ask me if I was a dealer, I guess because I knew too much of the lingo -- told them they had "dirty stacks" and that kind of thing...

 

If I was going to generalize at all, I'd say most female craps players who are alone (as opposed to just hanging on their boyfriend/spouse or in a big group) tend to actually know the game pretty well, compared to the average male craps player.

Nancy

P.S. Most of my craps playing has been in Reno, Vegas, or Indian casinos near Albuquerque. I have only played on a cruise ship once, and as I mentioned earlier on this thread *everybody* was playing the dark side cruise!

 

Hi Nancy

Just curious, how have you been able to actually keep up with your shooting percentage at the table. That is awesome. I don't know that I would be able to keep up with my bets, my winnings, roll, and keep up with a count of the numbers rolled to calc that. Do you track any other numbers?

[teeredi2cruise]

Who wouldn't want to win the heart of a 5'6" 130 pound lady? :D

Which really confuses the heck out of me as to why these clowns were acting the way they did. Clearly, you didn't have a 6'6" weightlifter by your side as he would have put them in their place. So why the hostility by them. Very weird, especially on a cruise when folks are trying to meet others and have a good time. :confused:

Hi Yo!

 

Hope you had a great night at the tables last night.

 

I think when you combine alcohol with aggressive betting and losing money, I was simply the target of their frustation. But as I've said, I did not initiate or invite the hostility. Also, my question really was more geared toward the pit staff and their response because I know their may be people with aggression at the tables for whatever reason at times. I've seen people spew at the dealers more than other table mates especially when someone believes they had a specific bet on the table or didn't get paid out correctly. But it's all good now, because I feel like I have a plan for any future incidents and will continue just to keep my head down.:) I guess it's more sensitive since you can't just change tables and the dealers don't want to alienate anyone.

Edited July 11, 2009 by teeredi2cruise

[teeredi2cruise]

Did you see that one show about the Craps Team?

That one guy (forgot his name) was able to set the dice and call out the number.

 

Was it the show on "The Dominator" Dominique Lorrigio?

[NancyNM]

Personally I'm not particularly lucky or unlucky -- I've had my share of hot rolls, but on average I roll a 7 about 16.6667% of the time ;-/

Hi Nancy

Just curious, how have you been able to actually keep up with your shooting percentage at the table. That is awesome. I don't know that I would be able to keep up with my bets, my winnings, roll, and keep up with a count of the numbers rolled to calc that. Do you track any other numbers?

 

Heh heh! That was a joke!! :D

 

The odds of rolling a 7 are 1/6 = 16.6667%. I don't keep track of my own personal rolling percentage, but just have no reason to believe it deviates from the average.

Nancy