smokeybandit

A certain blog site about all thing RC noted that RC hasn't yet given up on Alaskan cruises (including trying to get the PVSA waived)  and Canada has left the door open to changing its mandate as well.

I have no doubt Cayman is serious about their ban. But I'm sure the cruise lines are trying to work with them to get them to change their mind. Same with Canada.

I'll start being optimistic when the CDC allows the cruise lines to start their test cruises.

I'm glad to see them putting money into Galveston.  It's the easiest port to get to for those of us in the western half of the country.

It just means that Cayman hasn't formally closed the country to cruises yet.

Just remember the Junior Suites don't get the same perks as the other suites do. 

Three senators issued this statement against the Canadian decision.

I don't recall them issuing a statement about the CDC stonewalling the return to cruising

https://www.murkowski.senate.gov/press/release/alaska-congressional-delegation-canada-decision-to-ban-cruise-ships-in-canadian-waters-is-unacceptable

5 minutes ago, not-enough-cruising said:

BUT it is still a PRIVATE entity, making a determination for their PRIVATE property.

Attack all you want, but such a requirement, if enacted, would be upheld.

Private companies can and do lose lawsuits.

1 minute ago, not-enough-cruising said:

 

Requiring a vaccine for a completely voluntary leisure activity would easily be held up. 

If vaccine were fully approved and widely available, maybe. Otherwise a good lawyer could attack that policy from a million different directions

If the cruise isn't yet canceled (even if it will most certainly be canceled), why would they not continue to try to sell add-ons? They'd be a poorly run company if they didn't.

They're actually losing money long term by selling packages with the FCC/OBC refund option, but that short term revenue help them actually exist in the long term.

I don't think there's anything to read into by the delay, which isn't fixed in stone.

2 people, 7 days on a newer ship like Harmony, that's a good price, assuming it's a somewhat recent booking.

Right, it means if you cancel, you'll get the FCC for the cost of your cruise, but that FCC will only ever be for the cost of your cruise, no matter what kind of new promos RC comes up with in regards to FCC

26 minutes ago, not-enough-cruising said:

Lawsuits about what?

Requiring an unapproved vaccine that isn't widely available yet for the majority of the country.

5200 for how many people?  How many days?

4 hours ago, SNJCruisers said:

The cruise lines will come up with some sort of official way to prove you have been vaccinated and children will just not be able to cruise in the short term.  They will be a casualty and families will just have to adjust their vacation plans for about 18 months or so until a vaccine is available for kids

Or just ban those at high risk of covid complications, which is a much smaller portion of the population than kids and families.

He's still blaming RC?

Actually it seems fair to me.  A tragic accident, even if it stemmed from stupidity.

Air travel is no more or less safe than cruising. And air travel is very safe.

Concerns of cruising go back to Diamond Princess, which actually turned out to be a wonderful case study for how it spreads.

20% tested positive, and 50% of them had no symptoms. This was when testing was in its infancy so who knows how many of those positive were false positives.

Only 20%, with zero mitigation. No social distancing, no enhanced HEPA filters, no treatments, no vaccines, no pre-existing antibodies, nothing.

There's no way it'd be anywhere near that bad this time around.

 

The only medical issue I ever witnessed was actually last year on Liberty. A woman fell and hit her head very hard. Some good Samaritans tended to her until RC staff got there. Once medical personnel got there, they just kind of stood there with no idea what to do while passengers who were an EMT and pharmacist actually helped the woman.

I've been on several flights during the pandemic. Flying now is better than it ever has been due to the lack of crowds (under 50% as many passengers flying compared to a year ago).

And ships won't get quarantined for weeks on end.  That was a year ago when no one knew what was going on and the strictest of measures were taken.

5 hours ago, sgmn said:

Can someone explain the reasons behind the PVSA law and what it's for,

thanks 

A 150 yr old archaic law that seeks to prevent foreign flagged passenger ships from dominating the market in US waters. It's why cruise lines can't just visit only American ports (other than one NCL ship in Hawaii)

Yes. Sometimes I'm logged in for days. Others, I log in several times per day.

5 minutes ago, John&LaLa said:

Might be ocean going only, though.

 

Has to be, since Viking River Cruises isn't there

My March cruise now formally appears as cancelled, so I would hope FCCs and refunds start flowing.