Swim diapers in Carnival pools/splash zone

[croozymooner]

I've taken our toddler on a cruise and we stayed out of the pools and yes he cried when he saw it and couldn't go in. And yes it sucked for us parents. But yes it was the right thing to do to keep him out of it. The right choice isn't always the easiest one.

 

And NO swim diaper or fabric can keep bacteria from going through the fabric. To think that it could shows a serious lack of understanding about microbiology.

[nwbearcat2011]

Since you all are the police, please don't speed, ever.

 

My children do follow the rules and say please and thank you, even at 19 months old.

 

I just used words that were used to make a point. We all break a few rules at some point in our everyday lives. We are not perfect, but we all deserve to do what we think is right. You may not think it is, but someone else may have no problem with it. We teach our kids this everyday (whether or not you will admit it or not.) We have the freedom to do that.

 

It has been posted many times in this thread that the diaper does not stop bacteria and fecal matter. OK- we get it.

 

The personal story was to make a point about a post that was made about the generational issue brought up in this post. I am so annoyed that people think that each younger generation is worse than their own. We ALL have thing about our peers that we don't like. It is part of being human.

[gerif]

Um' date=' yes - my twins were on many cruises before they were allowed in the pool/water areas. The hardest part is telling them "no" when there are others breaking the rules, but I do. It turns out that as a parent, there are a lot of things my kids want to do and I have to tell them they can't. They also want to go dance in the middle of the dance floor and play on those neat machines in the casino (we call it "grown up Chuck E Cheese"). We follow the rules. Even the rules we don't like. No swim diaper can contain bacteria. Period. I can't believe anyone thinks it's worth the slim chance that they could end up closing the area for all children because they want to break the rule for their child. We've had people here who couldn't use the area on a sea day because of contamination.

 

I always tell my kids that we need to feel sorry for the children who get to break rules - they're going to have a hard time of it in this world with parents who teach that they get to choose which rules to follow.

 

Best,

Mia[/quote']

 

Applause, applause. I've read many of your posts and always want to give you a hug and tell you what a great job you are doing with those girls - and you will surely reap the rewards as they grow older. You are absolutely correct - children need to understand that they can't have and do everything they want to. That only results in self-centered people like the OP who don't care a bit about others.

[nwbearcat2011]

8 of 8 people found the following review helpful

1.0 out of 5 stars Does not contain #2, June 10, 2011

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This review is from: Bummis Swimmi Cloth Diapers, Pizzazz, Medium (15-22 lbs) (Baby Product)

So we had high hopes for this swim diaper. Our son is 18.5lbs and wears a M. Unfortunately, the M does not fit too well, it gets all saggy and the other day we had an accident in the wading pool and voila EVERYTHING came out of the diaper. It did not contain anything. If you are looking for something to have more elastic around the legs and something that fits snug try Finis swim diaper or iPlay. Supposedly those work better...this one did not cut it for us. Help other customers find the most helpful reviews

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4 of 5 people found the following review helpful

1.0 out of 5 stars Would not spend the money on this item., May 13, 2011

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This review is from: Bummis Swimmi Cloth Diapers, Turtles, Large (22-30 lbs) (Baby Product)

This product leaks from the leg openings and out the top and is not effective at all. It will NOT hold pee or poop. My son is average build and 27 lbs, so the large diaper fit great appearance wise. I am a cloth diapering parent and have used my pocket diapers minus the inserts for swimming and never had any problems. I have also used disposable swim diapers without any problems. Our community pool director finnally was open to re-usable swim diapers (as long as they were maketed as such), but after 2 poop explosions on the pool deck, I am sure that Bummis Swimmi cloth diapers have ruined it for all. I will be writing to request my money back. If you are looking for a swim diaper - DO NOT BUY THIS ONE! Help other customers find the most helpful reviews

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To be fair, it might also be nice to see the many positive reviews on this because a quick search on Amazon shows many more positive reviews. There are only a hand full of people who had negative reviews.

[kitty9]

Just one question for those of you "youngster" parents. How would you feel if your precious child were to go into a fecal contaminated pool, and your child became very ill, or even worse? I'd guess you'd be the first to sue the cruise line.

 

I'm amazed the OP has the ability to see the tiny, microscopic fecal particles that escape a diaper, swimmie or otherwise. But I'm wondering how the OP, and others on here who want to flaunt the rules, would feel if it was their child who contaminated a pool and other children became seriously ill?

 

Maybe it's time for some parents to use the word "no" with their kids. I'm sorry, but it's not going to traumatized a toddler if they can't go into a pool. Or better yet, mabe start potty training the kids. That would solve your problems.

[Essiesmom]

I would just like to know...when you take the diaper off your child, is their skin dry where the diaper covered it? I doubt it...EM

[nwbearcat2011]

I probably should have been more clear yesterday, and I apologize for inciting a near-riot with my attitude. I was/am frustrated with the fact that Carnival caters these brand-new ships to young kids, welcomes them aboard, and then doesn't allow them to swim.

 

NWbearcat, I think this is a great idea. Our daughter is also in the beginning stages of potty training, and she is quite, err, regular. I will plan on not taking her until she's gone for the day to reduce the chances of it happening. Also, I would not plan on taking her into one of the deep pools, because well, they are always crowded with adults anyway. Splash zone it is.

 

I would not say ignore the other posters, but use your best judgement. You are the parent. You know your kids and how you have and will raise them.

 

I have done a bit of research on these diapers to see what they are like and such. I did not read about them not allowing bacteria or fecal particles out, but it was a quick search. I also read that it might be a better idea to use both types of diapers at the same time.

 

Here are some other things that I found in my research on swim diapers and pools-

- Do not let the child in the water if there has been diarrhea in the past two days.

 

- change the diaper every 30-60 minutes. (But you most likely will not keep your young child out in the sun that long.)

 

- the reason for not allowing swim diapers in the pools is because "

These cruises fall under the purview of the Center for Disease Control's (CDC) Vessel Sanitation Program (VSP), whose mission is to prevent gastrointestinal illnesses on board. The VSP conducts unannounced twice-yearly inspections of cruise ships, scrutinizing a vast checklist of sanitation standards, from food-handling safety to swimming-pool maintenance.

The VSP also provides public health information and safety requirements to cruise lines, including the ban on soggy nappies. The idea is to prevent contamination of pools, and ward off the spread of norovirus, cryptosporidium, giardia and E. coli — all of which have caused illness outbreaks after fecal accidents at public pools and water parks on terra firma."

 

 

---- HOWEVER, pools with out diapered children still have issues because of children (and adults) who choose to relieve themselves in the pool.

 

 

- Some ships offer a family pool area or kiddie pools were the water filtration system is different- (this may be something to check into for cruisers who have not booked a cruise and are wanting to know.)

 

 

I guess a lot of people drink the pool water, because in my search, the way to get the bacterias into your system is by drinking the water.

 

If you get in trouble for using the diaper, just make the most of the rest of the ship and go to the beach at port. Our daughter loved that more anyway.

 

Go enjoy your cruise with your family. (My husband and I will be cruising in January as well, but without the kids!)

[nwbearcat2011]

Just one question for those of you "youngster" parents. How would you feel if your precious child were to go into a fecal contaminated pool, and your child became very ill, or even worse? I'd guess you'd be the first to sue the cruise line.

 

I'm amazed the OP has the ability to see the tiny, microscopic fecal particles that escape a diaper, swimmie or otherwise. But I'm wondering how the OP, and others on here who want to flaunt the rules, would feel if it was their child who contaminated a pool and other children became seriously ill?

 

Maybe it's time for some parents to use the word "no" with their kids. I'm sorry, but it's not going to traumatized a toddler if they can't go into a pool. Or better yet, mabe start potty training the kids. That would solve your problems.

 

So we are sue happy?? And never tell our children "no". And don't potty train our children? Really?? I don't get it. Because rules are questioned, we are bad parents?

The pools are contaminated by older kids and adults too. NOT JUST BABIES AND TODDLERS!

 

I know it will not traumatize a child not to get in the pool. (we have a pool at our house and often told the kids no) But that was not the OPs question and everyone on her as if she is a bad parent for asking about the best option if she does allow her child in the pool.

 

My purpose on cruise critics is not to debate, but to inform and get informed (but not about parenting styles).

 

OP- I am sorry if I have taken this to far, but I felt that I must step in when it came to questioning others parenting styles and judging others is where I draw the line at staying informational on here. There are so many rude comments made to those who don't always follow the rules to the T. It does not make us bad people or bad parents, it makes us human. And to say what type of parent someone is because of a choice not to follow a rule, that is stepping over the line for me.

[moose133]

I am happy to see so many smart, responsible adults posting to this thread. Fecal matter and bacteria are completely disgusting and we should do everything we can to keep it from out pools! I'm sure all of you sterilizes yourself after a bowel movement, because after all, no amount of wiping will remove all the fecal matter and bacteria from your posterior and something so flimsy as a bathing suit can't possibly contain such nasty germs. I'm curious to hear what methods you all use. Do you use an alcohol wipe to sanitize or iodine? Or do you possibly use the ultraviolet light approach? Can you believe the irresponsible people who only use toilet paper and think that those flimsy pieces of paper actually get themselves clean? I think they are the people we should ban from the pools next so us responsible adults can enjoy a clean, fecal free swim.

[BeagleOne]

I guess a lot of people drink the pool water, because in my search, the way to get the bacterias into your system is by drinking the water.

 

There are other ways to get bacteria into your system than by actively drinking the pool water. If you get any water on your lips or in your mouth...i.e. if you put your face under water...bacteria can enter that way.

 

Bacteria can also get in through cuts and abrasions on the skin, and through the permeable membranes on/in other body parts, including the nose, eyes, and "private areas".

[sailinglisa]

You know, there is one way to make sure your toddler/baby won't cry about not being able to swim on the ship.....Don't take them to the pool area! If they don't see it, they won't miss it! But, then again that may require you to act as a parent and deny yourself something that you want to do to keep your child happy.................I think it's called self-sacrifice. Take your kids to the beach and dip them in the water there. The ocean is much more forgiving of accidents than a cruise ship pool.

[6rugrats]

But that was not the OPs question and everyone on her as if she is a bad parent for asking about the best option if she does allow her child in the pool.

 

 

No idea what type of parent OP is and don't care.

 

There is NO "best" option for allowing a diapered child to use a pool on a cruise ship that does not have a specific splash area or pool for such children.

 

Anyone that even considers it, is irresponsible and selfish.

[Mom2B&Z]

No. There is no way you can see bacteria passing through the fabric using your eyes.

 

Most bacteria range from .5 microns to 5 microns in size. Average size of woven fabric is 10 microns; twice the size of the largest bacteria.

 

Besides leaking through the fabric, bacteria will egress through the leg holes and the waist.

 

I wasn't going to comment, but here's another perspective.

We live in the country and our well was contaminated with E Coli. There is NOTHING that we could visibly find to cause the contamination, but it is there. We now have a 5 micron filter plus UV light to make our water potable.

What you're doing to the pool is the same thing:you're contaminating the water with fecal material (and unless no water gets into the swim diaper, there is contamination) that can't be seen by other swimmers. So they go into the pool thinking it is clean, which it isn't. Urine is actually sterile until it leaves your body, so it's not as big an issue.

I too CD'd my kids, used the best ones I could by, but even the super-slim, extra-tight swimmers had water inside them. I agree the actual fecal material stayed in better than sposies, but the bacteria is transmitted by water going over the fecal material and into the pool.

While accidents happen even with older kids (case and point DS2 randomly threw up in a cruise ship pool last year), we need to do everything we can to ensure everyone can enjoy the facilities without getting sick.

[nwbearcat2011]

There are other ways to get bacteria into your system than by actively drinking the pool water. If you get any water on your lips or in your mouth...i.e. if you put your face under water...bacteria can enter that way.

 

Bacteria can also get in through cuts and abrasions on the skin, and through the permeable membranes on/in other body parts, including the nose, eyes, and "private areas".

 

I will concede here, you are very correct. I was corrected on this by my husband on this as well but did not come back on to edit my post, so thank you for posting that.

[mjkacmom]

To be fair, it might also be nice to see the many positive reviews on this because a quick search on Amazon shows many more positive reviews. There are only a hand full of people who had negative reviews.

 

It only takes one fail to get a lot of people sick. Just because you have children (albeit at a young age), doesn't make you a mature parent (obviously).

 

The OP asked if it would be okay, when she obviously planned on skirting the rules anyway. Every parent on this board has had at least one toddler. I had five of them, and yes, I followed the rules, to ensure I didn't cause harm to others. Silly me.

 

I didn't take my kids on a cruise until the youngest was four (five years ago). Why? Because I wanted to make sure they were all old enough to enjoy every aspect of the vacation. We took many other vacations, where my kids were able to enjoy everything about them.

 

There are a couple of cruise ships that have splash areas equiped for diapered children. No one is forced to cruise with a line that doesn't have these special areas. No special snowflake child should be allowed to possibly make others sick, or the very least, risk closing a pool area for day, just because that special snowflake can't be told "NO."

 

I spent MANY summers paying thousands ($4000 a summer) to a private pool club, in the baby pool, because until my kids were potty trained (and there were five of them, so we're talking years), they were not allowed in the big pool (and yes, they really wanted to be in that pool).

[moose133]

I spent MANY summers paying thousands ($4000 a summer) to a private pool club, in the baby pool, because until my kids were potty trained (and there were five of them, so we're talking years), they were not allowed in the big pool (and yes, they really wanted to be in that pool).

 

I'm a bit curious here, did you assume that the "baby pool" was somehow better filtered to keep all the baby poop nasties out? Because I worked at a pool, at ours at least it was the same water, so there was no better filtration/sanitation than the normal pool.

[cello56]

Doesn't this all come down to the fact that if the cruise line, and the CDC say that children in swim diapers of any kind are not allowed in the pools, then they are not allowed in the pools. This is a simple rule to understand, so why are you trying to skirt the rule and break it on purpose? Unless your child is completely potty trained, they are not allowed in the pools.