Kosi Posted August 11, 2014 #1 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Princess confirms that 29 year old passenger drowned on Sapphire Princess. Sorry if this is already posted! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redtogo Posted August 11, 2014 #2 Share Posted August 11, 2014 That's so sad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colo Cruiser Posted August 11, 2014 #3 Share Posted August 11, 2014 (edited) Princess confirms that 29 year old passenger drowned on Sapphire Princess. Sorry if this is already posted! Thats it? No details? Edited August 11, 2014 by Colo Cruiser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donder1 Posted August 11, 2014 #4 Share Posted August 11, 2014 (edited) Sad, indeed. I found this online. http://www.cruiselawnews.com/2014/08/articles/maritime-death/passenger-drowns-in-swimming-pool-on-sapphire-princess/ Edited August 11, 2014 by Donder1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beg3yrs Posted August 11, 2014 #5 Share Posted August 11, 2014 http://www.cruiselawnews.com/2014/08/articles/maritime-death/passenger-drowns-in-swimming-pool-on-sapphire-princess/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hillslife Posted August 11, 2014 #6 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Wow,very sad. I had no idea so many incidents had happened on so many ships over the last year. Thanks for the alert.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjknox Posted August 11, 2014 #7 Share Posted August 11, 2014 How sad, it will be interesting to figure out why she drowned, considering she was a full grown adult. Usually this happens to young kids who are much smaller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrak Posted August 11, 2014 #8 Share Posted August 11, 2014 About a bazillion people use cruise ship pools each year. The percentage of people who drown is amazingly low considering the number of people using the pools. It happens and it will continue to happen. It's a crummy thing to have happen on a vacation (or anytime for that matter) but it definitely is going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colo Cruiser Posted August 11, 2014 #9 Share Posted August 11, 2014 (edited) If, as a result of what he wrote, more parents will pay attention to their kids while they are in swimming or playing around cruise ship pool. I doubt it. People have a false sense of security when it comes to their kids on a cruise. Edited August 11, 2014 by Colo Cruiser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCruisers Posted August 11, 2014 #10 Share Posted August 11, 2014 What a sad thing to have happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrak Posted August 11, 2014 #11 Share Posted August 11, 2014 A 20 year old college student here in Chico drowned recently in the swimming pool at the apartment complex where he lived. The autopsy showed no drugs, no alcohol, no heart attack... Just drowning. It does happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loonbeam Posted August 11, 2014 #12 Share Posted August 11, 2014 It is actually quite easy to drown. Anything that temporarily interrupts motor control can do it, even a cramp at the wrong time and place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCruisers Posted August 11, 2014 #13 Share Posted August 11, 2014 It is actually quite easy to drown. Anything that temporarily interrupts motor control can do it, even a cramp at the wrong time and place. This is quite true and certainly could have been the cause. At this point all we are doing is guessing. Sad ... for whatever reason. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirkNC Posted August 11, 2014 #14 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Princess confirms that 29 year old passenger drowned on Sapphire Princess. Sorry if this is already posted! That is horrible! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfb4cruzing Posted August 11, 2014 #15 Share Posted August 11, 2014 How does a 42 year old drown in a hot tub? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pam in CA Posted August 11, 2014 #16 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Without any facts, we can only speculate on what happened. Sometimes, people do life-changing things without thinking or knowing what they're doing. Recently, a mother and her two children were rescued from a pool where they were swimming. The children got into trouble and the mother jumped in to save them. None knew how to swim. Tragic but begs the question of why they were in the pool in the first place. I don't know if any of them survived or if they're still in critical condition. Accidents happen and so often, parents aren't watching their kids in the pool. They are the ones most responsible and should never depend on others, even life guards, for their children's safety. One thing to consider is that if there are life guards, there are liability issues because then Princess (and the other cruise lines) become responsible for everyone in or near the pool. We all know that many kids run amok throughout the ship and some parents take no responsibility for their actions. If there was a lifeguard, some parents would be even less responsible than they are today which is a frightening thought. What kind of authority would a lifeguard have? Would they be able to ban misbehaving and/or uncontrollable kids from the pool area? Would they be able to ban the parents as well? IMHO, having a life guard is a good idea but I'm afraid it would open up a can of worms and be far more complicated than appears on the surface. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeeDunk Posted August 11, 2014 #17 Share Posted August 11, 2014 How does a 42 year old drown in a hot tub? Some one with a heart condition. About a year ago, a local man went into a Hot Tub and suffered a heart attack. Coroner stated that the thermal shock was probably the likely cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SingerEsq Posted August 11, 2014 #18 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Truly a tragic situation. No one goes on a cruise expecting to die or lose a loved one. The issue with lifeguards on a ship is that, even though the hours of operation are limited, there is open access to the numerous pools and hot tubs all over the ship 24 hours a day. Would a lifeguard need to be posted 24 hours a day at each facility, even though the pools technically close at 10 p.m. (I think)? Maybe they could have some life guards patrolling the decks during high occupancy hours, but having a life guard stationed at each pool and hot tub throughout the entire length of the ship 24/7 is unlikely to happen. (Maybe cameras trained solely on the pools at all times as part of security monitoring the activities on board?) Accidents are going to happen and, while it cannot be negligent, Princess or any cruise line cannot provide a 100% safe environment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mom33 Posted August 11, 2014 #19 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Truly a tragic situation. No one goes on a cruise expecting to die or lose a loved one. The issue with lifeguards on a ship is that, even though the hours of operation are limited, there is open access to the numerous pools and hot tubs all over the ship 24 hours a day. Would a lifeguard need to be posted 24 hours a day at each facility, even though the pools technically close at 10 p.m. (I think)? Maybe they could have some life guards patrolling the decks during high occupancy hours, but having a life guard stationed at each pool and hot tub throughout the entire length of the ship 24/7 is unlikely to happen. (Maybe cameras trained solely on the pools at all times as part of security monitoring the activities on board?) Accidents are going to happen and, while it cannot be negligent, Princess or any cruise line cannot provide a 100% safe environment. Actually, the pools and hot tubs are covered with rope netting at night when they are closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SingerEsq Posted August 11, 2014 #20 Share Posted August 11, 2014 (edited) Actually, the pools and hot tubs are covered with rope netting at night when they are closed. I understand that. However, they are unattended and still accessible by both children and adults even though they are "closed," and bet it happens more often than not. So does this mean that a sign that says, "No lifeguard on duty after closing" is any less sufficient than a sign saying "No lifeguard on duty at any time." Edited August 11, 2014 by SingerEsq Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethel5 Posted August 11, 2014 #21 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Without any facts, we can only speculate on what happened. Sometimes, people do life-changing things without thinking or knowing what they're doing. Recently, a mother and her two children were rescued from a pool where they were swimming. The children got into trouble and the mother jumped in to save them. None knew how to swim. Tragic but begs the question of why they were in the pool in the first place. I don't know if any of them survived or if they're still in critical condition. Accidents happen and so often, parents aren't watching their kids in the pool. They are the ones most responsible and should never depend on others, even life guards, for their children's safety. One thing to consider is that if there are life guards, there are liability issues because then Princess (and the other cruise lines) become responsible for everyone in or near the pool. We all know that many kids run amok throughout the ship and some parents take no responsibility for their actions. If there was a lifeguard, some parents would be even less responsible than they are today which is a frightening thought. What kind of authority would a lifeguard have? Would they be able to ban misbehaving and/or uncontrollable kids from the pool area? Would they be able to ban the parents as well? IMHO, having a life guard is a good idea but I'm afraid it would open up a can of worms and be far more complicated than appears on the surface. I agree. My thought is just how much legislation do we want to protect us from ourselves? Can't people be responsible for their own actions and those of their children? If my kids are in the pool, you can bet that I'm there with them and not trusting them to a lifeguard. As for this young woman....there are too many unanswered questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shakedown Cruise Posted August 11, 2014 #22 Share Posted August 11, 2014 That's tragic. So sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caribensun Posted August 11, 2014 #23 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Agree with others, lifeguards not the answer, anything can happen with or without lifeguards especially if it was medical. Best to swim with someone and is a reminder for me. Sesdeck2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacketwatch Posted August 12, 2014 #24 Share Posted August 12, 2014 It's very sad. It could be a medical issue. An autopsy will show the cause of death but doubtful if the public will ever find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ar1950 Posted August 12, 2014 #25 Share Posted August 12, 2014 (edited) Sadly, no matter what the reason, if there is water there will be drownings. We live in the Phoenix, AZ area and it is a pretty common news story. There are pools of some sort in about 20% of the residential properties (homes, condos, apartments, HOA community pools, so it is going to happen more often than you want to hear about (none would be the best thing). Unfortunately when people are on vacation they tend to not be as vigilant about their safety as they should, especially around water. One time (many years ago) we were in Cancun and on the beach near our hotel (and there weren't many back then, so, no life guards). A young girl came up to my friend and myself and said "please help, my brother can't get back to shore". Seeing the young boy struggling, my friend and I jumped in and swam out to help. We had a hell of a time pulling him back in because of the riptide in that area. We were both pretty strong swimmers and did what is always suggested ( swim parallel to the ripe tide area until it isn't as strong then swim in). That could have easily been a tragedy for that boy (and possibly one or both of us) if things didn't work out the way they did. So parents, always watch your children around water.... and yourselves as well (non-parents watch yourselves and each other, too)! Edited August 12, 2014 by ar1950 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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