Celebrity Dress Code Discussion Thread

[woodyren]

My take on the subject.

 

Firstly I will state that we always comply with the rules. I also suggest that our dress is probably more often than not at the less formal end of the dress rules interpretation. We feel comfortable and quite enjoy dressing this way but would probably dress down a little more if the rules were relaxed.

 

If it wasn't for people who apparently disrespected their peers at the beach all those years ago by wearing shorter swim wear we would all be still wearing neck to knees at the pool.

 

This was clearly against their hosts rules at the time.

 

I am sure they were tut tut tutted both at the beach and on the swim critic website back then by those who thought their dress was inappropriate. I am also just as certain that many others would have not cared at all about what they were wearing. Sound familiar?

 

I also believe that if people don't chip away at established trends then fashion will never change and after all that's what fashion ( prevailing custom or style of dress, etiquette, socialising) is. The word prevailing is the key. That word suggests change and fortunately in my opinion change is happening and has always happened. That is why I and many others don't make any judgments about what others choose to wear.

 

One man's rude, me first rule breaker is another man's trend setter. Even if I don't personally prefer that trend.

 

I know what many of my parents associates said about the Beatles for. example. It was like they were the beginning of the end of civilisation as we know it.

 

I am over 60 and would be shocked, even disappointed if some people, in particular younger ones, did not challenge dress codes.

 

If you think back I would also be surprised if many of us didn't challenge established fashion, morals and behaviour of our elders.

 

Why not just wear what you like, be comfortable in your own skin and roll with the rest rather than hiding behind the cruise line's rules trying to force everyone to wear the fashion you like. If the cruse line is the host let them deal with it.

 

To paraphrase a famous saying. "The only person who can upset me or spoil my evening because of the clothes others are wearing is myself"

Edited August 13, 2015 by woodyren

[GUT2407]

My take on the subject.

 

Firstly I will state that we always comply with the rules. I also suggest that our dress is probably more often than not at the less formal end of the dress rules interpretation. We feel comfortable and quite enjoy dressing this way but would probably dress down a little more if the rules were relaxed.

 

If it wasn't for people who apparently disrespected their peers at the beach all those years ago by wearing shorter swim wear we would all be still wearing neck to knees at the pool.

 

 

So you agree it is disrespectful, surely that end the discussion.

This was clearly against their hosts rules at the time.

 

 

I also believe that if people don't chip away at established trends then fashion will never change and after all that's what fashion ( prevailing custom or style of dress, etiquette, socialising) is. The word prevailing is the key. That word suggests change and fortunately in my opinion change is happening and has always happened. That is why I and many others don't make any judgments about what others choose to wear.

 

But it's not about changing fashion, it is about respect

 

One man's rude, me first rule breaker is another man's trend setter. Even if I don't personally prefer that trend.

 

 

I know what many of my parents associates said about the Beatles for. example. It was like they were the beginning of the end of civilisation as we know it.

 

And if you were asked to not play the Beatles at a friends house by their parents would you show respect and comply with the request?

 

 

 

If you think back I would also be surprised if many of us didn't challenge established fashion, morals and behaviour of our elders.

 

Certainly not in a formal setting.

 

Why not just wear what you like, be comfortable in your own skin and roll with the rest rather than hiding behind the cruise line's rules trying to force everyone to wear the fashion you like. If the cruse line is the host let them deal with it.

 

Because my host asked me too is a pretty good reason.

 

To paraphrase a famous saying. "The only person who can upset me or spoil my evening because of the clothes others are wearing is myself"

 

In that case you will not mind if I show up in just my undies.

[Higgy64]

Maybe I should start stealing things off people.... OK, it's wrong and disrespectful now... but eventually, if I do it enough and others join in, then the rules will be changed so that makes it right.... right ?

[GUT2407]

Maybe I should start stealing things off people.... OK, it's wrong and disrespectful now... but eventually, if I do it enough and others join in, then the rules will be changed so that makes it right.... right ?

 

 

But back in the late 1700's stealing [in the UK] may have got you a free cruise down under.

[Higgy64]

Funny how it didn't catch on though....

[GUT2407]

Funny how it didn't catch on though....

 

 

Maybe because the alternate prize was

 

 

 

 

 

 

a nice new necktie made out of hemp.

[woodyren]

So you agree it is disrespectful, surely that end the discussion.

This was clearly against their hosts rules at the time.

 

No. I was trying to say that many found it disrespectful and probably many did not. If those people would not have been "disrespectful" in the eyes of some people we would still be wearing neck knees. I would guess most of the general populous are pretty happy about that now. Times change for good or bad depending on personal opinion. Nothing wrong with that as long as it is not too extreme. (And no I cant define what too extreme is which is why there will always be healthy debate)

 

But it's not about changing fashion, it is about respect

 

 

So if there were never any people who (in your words) showed disrespect for established rules or the rule makers then;

 

* Girls playing netball would still have to wear skirts to their knees and the same coloured shoe laces as each other

* Males would not be allowed to enter Eastern Suburbs leagues club if their hair touched their collar. Russell Fairfax and Ian Schubert say Hi.

* Sill neck to knees

*No bikinis

*No shorts on the golf course

*Everyone would have to wear a top hat to the races.

 

etc etc....

 

In my opinion it would be fair to say that the hosts decided to change most of these rules and many others because people challenged them. They all probably allowed people to bend them before the actual changes were documented.

 

And if you were asked to not play the Beatles at a friends house by their parents would you show respect and comply with the request?

 

Probably but then again I probably would not have visited that friends house very often and at that time I guess my friends would have challenged that request themselves# I was also told to cut my hair and how to cut it by my parents but once into my mid teens I respectfully refused their request# They did not push too hard or feel disrespected despite it not being their choice of style. It had NOTHING to do with respect in my opinion but a lot to do with changing fashion.

 

 

Certainly not in a formal setting

 

If people hadn't already started chipping away at the edges a tux and ball gown would still be compulsory and people would be stopped from entering the MDR without them. While this would make some people happy I assume that there are many who are also glad this is not the case. It is all to do with changing fashion.

Because my host asked me too is a pretty good reason

 

The host has suggested what to wear and have people at the door with the authority to allow whoever they wish to enter. Just like a nightclub or registered club does. Why not just respect their decision. They have obviously relaxed their policing of the suggested code as is their right. Like I said I think people use this host respect as their way of imposing their fashion preference on others but don't show the host who made the decision to let people in that same resect.

 

In that case you will not mind if I show up in just my undies.

 

Not a very good example to use as an argument against people chipping away at the boundaries of established social rules. The host can decide it they go too far outside those suggested codes. I am sure that if someone turned up at the beach or pool back in the neck to knee days in a G-String they would have certainly been looked at negatively by the authority of the time and frog marched off the beach.

 

Almost as bad as using stealing as an example of following rules. A crime that causes harm and loss compared to something that only effects someone because they disagree with someone's dress taste.

Edited August 13, 2015 by woodyren

[PoppyandNana]

A dinner suit is a tux is a dinner suit.

 

Just as a car is an automobile.

 

Which also is a vehicle.

[DYKWIA]

Showing a lack of respect (or perhaps more accurately disobeying people who think they are due respect) isn't always a bad thing.

 

Throughout history, good people have shown what some undoubtedly at the time thought was a lack of respect to them and others and as a result the world changed for the better.

 

Rules, codes, and laws are made to be broken, occasionally that is a good thing.

Edited August 13, 2015 by DYKWIA

[Higgy64]

It's not about respect - it's about a set of written rules. They either stand or should be removed.

 

Personally, I'm not that bothered either way but if there's rules in place then they should be enforced, or removed if they're unenforceable or no longer valid.

[DYKWIA]

It's not about respect - it's about a set of written rules. They either stand or should be removed.

 

Personally, I'm not that bothered either way but if there's rules in place then they should be enforced, or removed if they're unenforceable or no longer valid.

 

Rules that are not enforced, or when people see no likely consequence of breaking the rules (I.e. They aren't turned away from the restaurant) will continue to be broken and often more people (even the normally compliant) may even break the rules.

 

We've seen reports on some cruises that on the first formal night a few people were not in the required Formal attire, but by the third Formal Night that number had increased significantly.

 

If this is a problem it is in the gift of Celebrity to solve, by enforcing the rules. For some reason they're chosing to either not enforce those rules or enforce them inconsistently.

Edited August 13, 2015 by DYKWIA

[RocketMan275]

Like I said I think people use this host respect as their way of imposing their fashion preference on others but don't show the host who made the decision to let people in that same respect.

 

 

Absolutely correct.

 

And, I think people who are always demanding that others respect their fashion wishes should pause to consider that they should also respect the wishes of others to dress as they please. If you want to be respected, then you need to respect others.

[Wine-O]

Absolutely correct.

 

And, I think people who are always demanding that others respect their fashion wishes should pause to consider that they should also respect the wishes of others to dress as they please. If you want to be respected, then you need to respect others.

 

Oh, please, that's such a false argument. No one is demanding others respect their fashion wishes. They just wish others would respect the dress code of Formal Night instead of using the same old excuse -- it's my cruise, so I'll wear what I freakin want. :rolleyes:

[Higgy64]

This is the same argument that we had when they banned smoking in public place... respecting peoples rights even if they differ - however,r the rules now say that people can't smoke inside public places - and it's enforced, irrespective of the rights of the smoker.

 

The bottom line here is very simple..

 

There is a dress code in place on the ship. It is clearly stated and available to view BEFORE you put down a deposit. If it's not acceptable to you then either don't book, or don't go to those places that expect certain dress restrictions on certain nights.

 

Of course, Celebrity are within their rights to remove this Dress code if they feel they are losing clientele as a result. What they are currently doing is the worst option which is not enforcing a policy that they are responsible for introducing.

[Got2Cruise]

Oh, please, that's such a false argument. No one is demanding others respect their fashion wishes. They just wish others would respect the dress code of Formal Night instead of using the same old excuse -- it's my cruise, so I'll wear what I freakin want. :rolleyes:

 

 

But Celebrity allows those who wish to spend extra money to eat in specialty restaurants the option of never having to dress for formal night and still eat high quality food. So as long as you're willing to pay for the privilege it's ok to break the rules?

[gek]

But Celebrity allows those who wish to spend extra money to eat in specialty restaurants the option of never having to dress for formal night and still eat high quality food. So as long as you're willing to pay for the privilege it's ok to break the rules?

 

If you pay for the privilege then you are not eating in the MDR and therefore not breaking any rules.

[RocketMan275]

But Celebrity allows those who wish to spend extra money to eat in specialty restaurants the option of never having to dress for formal night and still eat high quality food. So as long as you're willing to pay for the privilege it's ok to break the rules?

 

There are very few rules at the top of the food chain.

[Kingofcool1947]

But Celebrity allows those who wish to spend extra money to eat in specialty restaurants the option of never having to dress for formal night and still eat high quality food. So as long as you're willing to pay for the privilege it's ok to break the rules?

 

 

If it's allowed, how is that considered breaking the rules?

So, what rules are being broken?

Just curious.

Thank you.

Edited August 14, 2015 by Kingofcool1947

[Got2Cruise]

If you pay for the privilege then you are not eating in the MDR and therefore not breaking any rules.

 

Celebrity makes the rules and then decides who breaks the rules. Nobody else matters.

 

Would you be happier if Celebrity did away with formal night altogether? Then you wouldn't have to worry about folks breaking the rules.

[Got2Cruise]

If it's allowed, how is that considered breaking the rules?

So, what rules are being broken?

Just curious.

Thank you.

 

 

It's allowed because folks PAY that the rules don't apply to them. The rule is suit and tie Unless you pay us extra and then wear what you want.

[benchdex]

It's allowed because folks PAY that the rules don't apply to them. The rule is suit and tie Unless you pay us extra and then wear what you want.

 

this thread is getting to the point of ridiculous. On formal nights, celebrity requests people in the public areas honor the formal dress code. I guess if you go isolate yourself just to the specialty restaurant and then return to your cabin, that is OK. You are also welcome in the buffet without formal attire on any evening. I realize we are raising generations of people who have no respect at all for others. It's all about "me".

 

Any continuation of this thread for this many pages has nothing to do with more information.

 

Not worth reading any more silly banter!

[Got2Cruise]

this thread is getting to the point of ridiculous. On formal nights, celebrity requests people in the public areas honor the formal dress code. I guess if you go isolate yourself just to the specialty restaurant and then return to your cabin, that is OK. You are also welcome in the buffet without formal attire on any evening. I realize we are raising generations of people who have no respect at all for others. It's all about "me".

 

 

 

Any continuation of this thread for this many pages has nothing to do with more information.

 

 

 

Not worth reading any more silly banter!

 

 

You're missing my point. Celebrity allows folks to dress in certain ways either by accepting payment or simply allowing it. If Celebrity allows it then it's nobody else's business. Wear your tux and enjoy your evening with your partner.

[Cruise Junky]

this thread is getting to the point of ridiculous. On formal nights, celebrity requests people in the public areas honor the formal dress code.

 

No they don't. Formal applies to the main dining room and the anytime dining rooms ONLY. If you're going to criticize people for not following the code you might want to understand it first.

[dkjretired]

No they don't. Formal applies to the main dining room and the anytime dining rooms ONLY. If you're going to criticize people for not following the code you might want to understand it first.

 

Cruise Junky is absolutely correct in one respect, formal in the rest of the ship went out at least five years ago and only applies to the Main Dining Room, it does not apply to any of the other dining rooms. Specialties and Blu are 'smart casual and above" every night.

[gek]

this thread is getting to the point of ridiculous. On formal nights, celebrity requests people in the public areas honor the formal dress code. I guess if you go isolate yourself just to the specialty restaurant and then return to your cabin, that is OK. You are also welcome in the buffet without formal attire on any evening. I realize we are raising generations of people who have no respect at all for others. It's all about "me".

 

Explain to me how "it's all about 'me'"' doesn't also apply to a person who would expect a casual buffer-diner to be confined to their cabin for the evening. Seems to me that's a far more selfish attitude.