Oasis of the Seas - smoking on balcony

[RuthlessBoss]

Why are you guys fanning the flames (no pun intended) of an obviously fake post? I would be surprised if the original poster has ever ventured outside her house let alone take a cruise to the Caribbean.

 

I'm going back to the NCL board. All they do there is argue about tipping, but at least the people have actually been on the cruise they're complaining about.

 

This post made my day:D:D Those people are traumatized. :eek:

[aloha43]

[quote name=Bigtex1622;48253570

I know' date=' and all these Non-Smokers ( which I am one ), are just flaming the fire.

 

 

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No, you are wrong. It is not the non smokers "flaming the fire".

 

The non smokers are just blue in the face trying to get the smokers to realize that their smoke bothers them. There is nothing wrong with that. That is NOT flaming the fire.

 

A good share of non smokers cannot breathe the smoke due to health problems or are allergic to it.

 

That is the unfairness of the whole thing. The smoke travels and it bothers people.

[aloha43]

It's very simple.

I have a God given right to breath fresh air. As a smoker, you may have a right to smoke as you wish. The second your right to smoke infringes on my right to breath fresh air all bets are off, you no longer have a right to smoke.

 

Perfectly said.

[CaribSailor]

No, you are wrong. It is not the non smokers "flaming the fire".

 

 

 

The non smokers are just blue in the face trying to get the smokers to realize that their smoke bothers them. There is nothing wrong with that. That is NOT flaming the fire.

 

 

 

A good share of non smokers cannot breathe the smoke due to health problems or are allergic to it.

 

 

 

That is the unfairness of the whole thing. The smoke travels and it bothers people.

 

 

And exactly who's problem is this??

[Midwestgal]

I wonder how many non smokers avoid the casino ? Like I've said I'm a non smoker but still go to the casino for a little...talk about smoke:eek:

Edited November 13, 2015 by Midwestgal

[Setting sail for fun]

People need to stop treating smokers like criminals , it's not illegal to smoke and smokers are not second class citizens.

Funny how the government has no problem collecting million upon millions of dollars in taxes from smokers.

 

Cruise lines should make one side of the ships balconies smoking , you can be a non smoker and book the smoking side or book the non smoking side. Just think how much sooner people would book their cruise in order to get the location they want.

I'm more bothered by the smoke in the casino than someone's smoke on my balcony.

 

I'm a non smoker !

 

 

Heard this position before. My TA advised the cruise lines would never do it because they couldn't fill the ships! More and more people do not want to be exposed to the smoke.

 

I remember years ago when you could smoke in government offices. Then they created smoking break rooms. Then you could only smoke outside the building. Now the area has been moved far away from entrances so other workers would not have to walk through the smoke. It has changed a lot over the years. The same with restaurants and bars.

 

I certainly do not hate smokers, just want people to follow the rules so I get what I pay for (my balcony).

[Bigtex1622]

No, you are wrong. It is not the non smokers "flaming the fire".

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You are right, I guess I should have said that everyone here is just supporting a person, who many think is just stirring the pot.

I am a non smoker, smoke does not bother me. I feel sorry for those who it does bother.

I am just surprised that everyone is complaining about the balconies.

When I go within 1000 ( a Thousand ) feet of the casino, even on the 5th floor above it, that is all I smell.

Not one complaint. Why because it is legal.

Also people who it bothers probably do not go on the promenade deck, or casino.

My main thing is, why do we have so many posts about smoking on the balcony?

Is it because the search feature is hidden..... Oh no I forget, it is not.

By the way 18 pages of posts when you search for " Smoking "

Even though it is on different ships, I bet they are all almost the same:

Post 1. Smoking is bad

Post 2. Smoking is good

Post 3. Smoking is bad

Post 4. Smoking is good.

 

OK rant over, let me go get my popcorn for round 5.

 

 

;)

 

 

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[Bigtex1622]

I certainly do not hate smokers, just want people to follow the rules so I get what I pay for (my balcony).

 

I just do not want my ship to catch fire, that is why they ban smoking on the balconies.

See my other post below:

 

...2. The reason for the no smoking on the balcony, is not for the guest who it does bother,

But because there have been issues ,when the smokers fling their cigarette butts overboard.

It has landed on other balconies, and started fires. :eek:

 

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/11975460/ns/us_news-life/t/cigarette-eyed-cause-cruise-blaze/

 

Look at the picture, I cannot believe the personal things lost to all that were affected.

 

 

 

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[reallyitsmema]

I just do not want my ship to catch fire, that is why they ban smoking on the balconies.

See my other post below:

 

If that fire is why they now ban cigarette smoking on balconies, why didn't the ban go into effect in 2008?

[Bigtex1622]

If that fire is why they now ban cigarette smoking on balconies, why didn't the ban go into effect in 2008?

 

You must not know Royal......

It takes forever to get their website right..... Oh wait it still isn't, most of the time. :D

 

 

 

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[WrittenOnYourHeart]

I wonder how many non smokers avoid the casino ? Like I've said I'm a non smoker but still go to the casino for a little...talk about smoke:eek:

 

I try to avoid even walking NEAR it - forget through it. Luckily it was a little easier on the Radiance than when I cruised on Holland America and I literally had to go either downstairs and through hallways or upstairs and through I forget what to get to the dining room in order to avoid walking through the nasty stench that permeates even when the casino is closed.

[pseudoware]

It's very simple.

I have a God given right to breath fresh air. As a smoker, you may have a right to smoke as you wish. The second your right to smoke infringes on my right to breath fresh air all bets are off, you no longer have a right to smoke.

This.

 

Please keep your cancer to yourselves, smokers.

 

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[RuthlessBoss]

No, you are wrong. It is not the non smokers "flaming the fire".

 

The non smokers are just blue in the face trying to get the smokers to realize that their smoke bothers them. There is nothing wrong with that. That is NOT flaming the fire.

 

A good share of non smokers cannot breathe the smoke due to health problems or are allergic to it.

 

That is the unfairness of the whole thing. The smoke travels and it bothers people.

 

Are smokers responsible for other cruisers health problems ? Did we cause them? What about the COPDer who can't breathe if a whiff of smoke goes by? Did WE cause that? If a person has such issues, why do they go to places where there is potential exposure? If cruising is the choice, go on a line like Celebrity (and stay away from their tiny smoking area)

[drarill]

Are smokers responsible for other cruisers health problems ? Did we cause them? What about the COPDer who can't breathe if a whiff of smoke goes by? Did WE cause that? If a person has such issues, why do they go to places where there is potential exposure? If cruising is the choice, go on a line like Celebrity (and stay away from their tiny smoking area)

 

In some cases, like mine, they probably are. Back in the 60's the hazards of second hand smoke were not known. My dad smoked in front of my mom when she was pregnant and in front of us when we were kids. I remember developing a really bad cough that lasted months when I was probably eleven or twelve years old. After many tests, and many doctors visits, my dad was told to stop smoking in front of me and inside the house. In a matter of days, the cough stopped.

I adored my dad, who died from a smoke related cancer, but he did harm us with his smoking. My brother is also asthmatic.

BTW, we did move to Celebrity looking for a better smoking policy after a couple of cruises ruined by chain smokers close to our balcony. We only came back to

RCCL after they changed their smoking policy.

And if you are still wondering about the hazards of second hand smoking, please read...

http://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancercauses/tobaccocancer/secondhand-smoke

[Cabansail]

Are smokers responsible for other cruisers health problems ? Did we cause them? What about the COPDer who can't breathe if a whiff of smoke goes by? Did WE cause that? If a person has such issues, why do they go to places where there is potential exposure? If cruising is the choice, go on a line like Celebrity (and stay away from their tiny smoking area)

 

 

Some diseases are caused by smoking, both self inflicted and due to others sharing their poison. However many are not. How does that matter in the least? Tobacco is the most dangerous recreational drug bar none. It kills one in three of it's regular users. A few years ago the drug related death stats were Tobacco 74% Alcohol 24% All other drugs (including prescribed) 2%. Now I have not heard of anyone ever being subjected to side-stream alcohol but it is a definite factor with tobacco. It is only because of vested interests and the huge number of addicts that smoking is actually legal. If airlines had the mortality record as smokers nobody would fly. The deaths in the USA alone are the equivalent of three fully loaded 747's crashing each day with no survivors.

 

So the answer is YES, smokers are responsible for others tobacco related health problems. However I am sure you already know this and are just stirring the pot.

[Who Cares?]

Are smokers responsible for other cruisers health problems ? Did we cause them? What about the COPDer who can't breathe if a whiff of smoke goes by? Did WE cause that? If a person has such issues, why do they go to places where there is potential exposure? If cruising is the choice, go on a line like Celebrity (and stay away from their tiny smoking area)

 

It gives them something to whine about. ;)

 

Like all good liberals, they expect everyone else to be responsible for them instead of being responsible for themselves. :)

Edited November 13, 2015 by Who Cares?

[RuthlessBoss]

As to answers to posts 142 and 143, you missed my point:(

 

I'm saying we are not responsible to the cruiser who willfully books a cruise with a debilitating health issue already established. We, as a fellow cruiser, did not cause that problem just because we are on the same ship. Their illness was developed well before we encounter each other.

[Cabansail]

As to answers to posts 142 and 143, you missed my point:(

 

I'm saying we are not responsible to the cruiser who willfully books a cruise with a debilitating health issue already established. We, as a fellow cruiser, did not cause that problem just because we are on the same ship. Their illness was developed well before we encounter each other.

 

A passenger who has issues with tobacco smoke would have an expectation of not being exposed if they avoid the areas where smoking is allowed. They would book their cruise with that knowledge. If then smokers use other areas where it is banned (eg cabins and balconies) then those breaking the rules are responsible for the problems caused.

[Setting sail for fun]

A passenger who has issues with tobacco smoke would have an expectation of not being exposed if they avoid the areas where smoking is allowed. They would book their cruise with that knowledge. If then smokers use other areas where it is banned (eg cabins and balconies) then those breaking the rules are responsible for the problems caused.

 

Agree

[CaribSailor]

A passenger who has issues with tobacco smoke would have an expectation of not being exposed if they avoid the areas where smoking is allowed. They would book their cruise with that knowledge. If then smokers use other areas where it is banned (eg cabins and balconies) then those breaking the rules are responsible for the problems caused.

 

 

Now if everything in life was exactly how it was said to be that would be awesome..... However it's not so nice try 🕷

[Cabansail]

Now if everything in life was exactly how it was said to be that would be awesome..... However it's not so nice try

 

So those breaking the rules have no responsibility for any harm they cause?

 

I would say that's a nice try myself.

Edited November 13, 2015 by Cabansail

[gerif]

Now if everything in life was exactly how it was said to be that would be awesome..... However it's not so nice try 🕷

 

So if you settled into your balcony cabin or suite and found scaffolding set up on the balcony and were told sorry, we're doing maintenance this week so you'll have very limited use of that balcony during your cruise, you'd be OK with that? I don't think so. If I book such a cabin and find people smoking around me when I've been promised no smoking, believe me there would be issues.

 

And to respond to a pp, yes people die every day from the results of second hand smoke. A dear friend is currently battling tongue cancer. She never smoked but lived with smokers.

[cello56]

How about we just realize that the RULES that RCI have put in place forbid smoking on your balcony? Plain and simple. Follow the rules. If you don't follow the rules, then people have a right to complain about your breaking the rules.

 

Yes I am a NON SMOKER.

 

I have never smuggled any liquor on board a cruise.

 

I do not bring my own water or soda.

 

I have never invited a non-Diamond or higher friend into the Diamond Lounge.

 

We do not take drinks out of the Diamond Lounge.

 

I do not wear perfume that might bother someone else.

 

We have never spent a single penny in any cruise ship casino - smoking is allowed in there, so we don't go in.

[RuthlessBoss]

So if you settled into your balcony cabin or suite and found scaffolding set up on the balcony and were told sorry, we're doing maintenance this week so you'll have very limited use of that balcony during your cruise, you'd be OK with that? I don't think so. If I book such a cabin and find people smoking around me when I've been promised no smoking, believe me there would be issues.

 

And to respond to a pp, yes people die every day from the results of second hand smoke. A dear friend is currently battling tongue cancer. She never smoked but lived with smokers.

 

Good grief. And how do you explain cancer if one has never smoked nor lived nor hung around smokers? :eek: Then what could you blame it on?

[CaribSailor]

So if you settled into your balcony cabin or suite and found scaffolding set up on the balcony and were told sorry, we're doing maintenance this week so you'll have very limited use of that balcony during your cruise, you'd be OK with that? I don't think so. If I book such a cabin and find people smoking around me when I've been promised no smoking, believe me there would be issues.

 

 

 

And to respond to a pp, yes people die every day from the results of second hand smoke. A dear friend is currently battling tongue cancer. She never smoked but lived with smokers.

 

 

Actually I did book a suite at one point and the furniture had not arrived for the cabin aside from the bed and couch... Did we leave the cruise? No... We rolled with it. So your post has no bearing.. Nice try though... And I actually posted on the experience if you care to look.