FLACRUISER99 Posted March 5, 2016 #26 Share Posted March 5, 2016 Interesting. What should the correct terminology be that I am using? I view a quickie stop in Halifax the same as a west coast of hawaii cruise would view a quickie stop in Ensenda, MX. To satisfy US laws. What are they classified as? :confused: http://www.cruiseco.com/Resources/cabotage%20A1.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare LMaxwell Posted March 5, 2016 #27 Share Posted March 5, 2016 I think you need to say more, what are you trying to say? It's March 5th and it's a cruise to nowhere really with a little stop in Halifax. So why does it matter if they go south then turn north? The date was off, but they aren't going to Halifax at all and being rerouted again due to weather. I think they were making a point because CTN's technically are no longer allowed. Sort of a cryptic way to make a point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare LMaxwell Posted March 5, 2016 #28 Share Posted March 5, 2016 http://www.cruiseco.com/Resources/cabotage%20A1.htm Thank you, always appreciate learning new facts:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TravelerThom Posted March 5, 2016 #29 Share Posted March 5, 2016 Interesting. What should the correct terminology be that I am using? I view a quickie stop in Halifax the same as a west coast of hawaii cruise would view a quickie stop in Ensenda, MX. To satisfy US laws. What are they classified as? :confused:The issue was your perhaps inadvertent use of "distant". Closed loop cruises from the US by foreign flag vessels are required to stop in a foreign port (such as Halifax) - it does not have to distant. A cruise from one US port to another US port (say Miami to San Diego) by a foreign flag vessel must go to a distant foreign port. Essentially "distant" means South America as long as you consider the Dutch ABCs (Aruba, Bonaire, Curacao) as South America (they are off the coast of Venezuela). No other islands in the Caribbean qualify, but there are some special rules for journeys that begin or end in Puerto Rica. Ensenada works for a Closed Loop cruise, but since it is not distant it does not make legal a one way L.A. to Honolulu cruise by a foreign flag vessel. Thom PS I see a number of new posts while I was slooowly typing:( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilovetotravel1977 Posted March 5, 2016 #30 Share Posted March 5, 2016 I live in Halifax and if any ship is stopping here today, GOOD LUCK! We have a snow storm today! It ain't pretty here today, at all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Letsgo 2 Posted March 5, 2016 #31 Share Posted March 5, 2016 lol, I find it humorous how easy something gets going on CC , even if there is no reason at all to even respond. This goes against my better judgment to just stay out of it. Anthem is on a cruise right now for 3 days, she is docking in Halifax but pax are getting of, they are doing this to get around the Jones Act Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overtyme Posted March 5, 2016 #32 Share Posted March 5, 2016 I live in Halifax and if any ship is stopping here today, GOOD LUCK! We have a snow storm today! It ain't pretty here today, at all! Thank you for putting all of the other rumors to rest! Sent from my iPhone using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare LMaxwell Posted March 5, 2016 #33 Share Posted March 5, 2016 lol, I find it humorous how easy something gets going on CC , even if there is no reason at all to even respond.This goes against my better judgment to just stay out of it. Anthem is on a cruise right now for 3 days, she is docking in Halifax but pax are getting of, they are doing this to get around the Jones Act They are heading south, not north. Not docking anywhere. Bad weather in halifax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruisenfever Posted March 5, 2016 #34 Share Posted March 5, 2016 lol, I find it humorous how easy something gets going on CC , even if there is no reason at all to even respond.This goes against my better judgment to just stay out of it. Anthem is on a cruise right now for 3 days, she is docking in Halifax but pax are getting of, they are doing this to get around the Jones Act The ship is not going to Halifax, and even if they were, pax were not getting off as it was just a 59 minute service call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adjjb12 Posted March 5, 2016 #35 Share Posted March 5, 2016 The date was off, but they aren't going to Halifax at all and being rerouted again due to weather. I think they were making a point because CTN's technically are no longer allowed. Sort of a cryptic way to make a point. I agree cryptic and I don't think any point was made. LOL Because there's like a blizzard going on in Atlantic Canada right now. Even though CTN's aren't allowed, what does the OP want? RCL to go and dock the boat in a blizzard? They're damned if they do and damned now if they don't. Even though the CTN aren't allowed, because they can't safely dock RCL will probably either pay the penalty or try to be excused due to weather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted March 5, 2016 #36 Share Posted March 5, 2016 Previous posters are correct, that the CTN ban has nothing to do with PVSA, so that fine is a moot point, however, the fine is generally waived in cases of weather or mechanical problems. This particular cruise is covered by the PVSA, and only needs to call at a foreign port, not a "distant" foreign port, but will not be fined, because it is a weather problem. This kind of cruise may go away as well, since it is the East Coast equivalent of the old "technical port call" in Ensenada for the West Coast to Hawaii cruises, which CBP has declared to be in violation of the "intent" of the PVSA, even though it meets the "letter" of the law. As for the cost to RCI for a missed port, no there generally is no charge for anything (tugs, line handlers, government officials), but there has probably been a deposit paid to reserve the berth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbie0253 Posted March 5, 2016 #37 Share Posted March 5, 2016 I'm onboard and thankful for the sunshine. Glad we went South :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
champagne123 Posted March 5, 2016 #38 Share Posted March 5, 2016 i'm onboard and thankful for the sunshine. Glad we went south :) kisses for saying this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker19 Posted March 5, 2016 #39 Share Posted March 5, 2016 I'm onboard and thankful for the sunshine. Glad we went South :) But, but, I was so looking forward to seeing Halifax in a snow storm at night from the port. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robtulipe Posted March 5, 2016 #40 Share Posted March 5, 2016 (edited) lol, I find it humorous how easy something gets going on CC , even if there is no reason at all to even respond.This goes against my better judgment to just stay out of it. Anthem is on a cruise right now for 3 days, she is docking in Halifax but pax are getting of, they are doing this to get around the Jones Act Actually it's the Passenger Vessel Service Act of 1886 that control foreign flagged passenger ships. The Jones or Merchant Marine Act of 1920 is for foreign flagged cargo ships. Neither apply with a CTN as it is a foreign worker visa issue or labor issue from what I've read here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passenger_Vessel_Services_Act_of_1886 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merchant_Marine_Act_of_1920 Edited March 5, 2016 by robtulipe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langley Cruisers Posted March 5, 2016 #41 Share Posted March 5, 2016 Actually it's the Passenger Vessel Service Act of 1886 that control foreign flagged passenger ships. The Jones or Merchant Marine Act of 1920 is for foreign flagged cargo ships. Neither apply with a CTN as it is a foreign worker visa issue or labor issue from what I've read here... ...(links)... Thank you. You're a peach for posting this info that so many people incorrectly post as fact. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overtyme Posted March 5, 2016 #42 Share Posted March 5, 2016 Bunch of geeks. [emoji12] Sent from my iPhone using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJLDRUMS Posted March 5, 2016 #43 Share Posted March 5, 2016 I don't think that would become an issue as the dock space has been pre-assigned for use. I can't imagine a ship would show up and the harbormaster be totally blindsided by it (for a regularly scheduled cruise that is). As for payments to dock workers and pilots; I don't know how that works if a ship skips a port. I would imagine some baseline payment arrangement for readiness and another payment for services (when performed). I don't know. Maybe ChEng will pop in and let us know. PLEASE keep in mind they were not supposed to go east to Halifax. The large ocean storm changed the plans for the safety and comfort of the passengers and crew. basically it was not a scheduled itinerary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted March 5, 2016 #44 Share Posted March 5, 2016 PLEASE keep in mind they were not supposed to go east to Halifax. The large ocean storm changed the plans for the safety and comfort of the passengers and crew. basically it was not a scheduled itinerary. Uh, this is the 2 or 3 day cruise after the one shortened by the storm. This was originally listed as a CTN last year, until CBP changed the rules, so, yes, this cruise was supposed to go "down east" to Halifax to meet the new rules banning CTN's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker19 Posted March 5, 2016 #45 Share Posted March 5, 2016 Uh, this is the 2 or 3 day cruise after the one shortened by the storm. . Shortened by the noro outbreak according to some.:rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merion_Mom Posted March 5, 2016 #46 Share Posted March 5, 2016 Shortened by the noro outbreak according to some.:rolleyes: Those darn Canadians! ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted March 5, 2016 #47 Share Posted March 5, 2016 Shortened by the noro outbreak according to some.:rolleyes: I'm waiting for the horse. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilotboy1985 Posted March 5, 2016 #48 Share Posted March 5, 2016 Hi from Halifax! 1st of all, how did I not know Anthem was coming into Halifax today? I didn't have the slightest idea and I would of been very disappointed if I missed it. Anymore of these short stops in Halifax planned? 2nd, the storm hit Halifax worse than expected this morning. Wind gusts of 80km's and snow up to my cars side mirror when all they were calling for was 5-10cm's. So it's a good thing Anthem skipped on Halifax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truffles2 Posted March 5, 2016 #49 Share Posted March 5, 2016 I'm waiting for the horse. :D This horse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare A&L_Ont Posted March 5, 2016 #50 Share Posted March 5, 2016 Hi from Halifax!1st of all, how did I not know Anthem was coming into Halifax today? I didn't have the slightest idea and I would of been very disappointed if I missed it. Anymore of these short stops in Halifax planned? 2nd, the storm hit Halifax worse than expected this morning. Wind gusts of 80km's and snow up to my cars side mirror when all they were calling for was 5-10cm's. So it's a good thing Anthem skipped on Halifax. To add to pilot boy's comment below is a link to a news storm about the storm. They are calling for 4-13" of snow. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/winter-storm-hitting-nova-scotia-1.3477515 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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