Viking versus Oceania

[roothy123]

Viking versus Oceania.

 

Have just completed my first cruise on Oceania after 20 years with Celebrity.

 

Have considered Viking, but hesitant about the "inclusive" pricing - ie having to pay for other people's alcohol and having to pay for Viking's shore excursions. Will not do either.

 

While on Oceania, met many guests who were on the cruise from Celebrity, Azamara, Viking and Crystal - because they did not want to pay for "forced" beverage packages and excursions.

 

Oceania allows for a greater amount of customization.

 

I do confirm that the Oceania management on board are dismissive of guest complaints - I made a complaint and was treated with contempt.

 

As a seldom-drinker, and someone who often likes to plan my own excursions, I generally avoid the cruise lines that include these things in pricing. However, I DO like Viking quite a bit. I just wanted to make sure readers understood that on Viking Ocean cruises, only the beer/wine/soda at lunch and dinner, and generally only one excursion per port (same for everyone) are included in the price. Yes, there's a beverage package you can purchase, but I suspect many people didn't even bother with that. Free sodas are in your room fridge, and I believe there's free but limited liquor in the fridge in suites.

 

I've now done two Viking Oceans cruises (last one in June) and 12 or 13 Oceania cruises (last one last fall). I honestly can't pick a favorite line. On our June Viking cruise, I appreciated the included excursions, especially in places like the North Cape where it would have been a little difficult to arrange my own excursion. On the other hand, I kind of missed planning things on my own! Of course, you can just pass on taking Viking's excursions and plan your own, but then you feel a little guilty because in a way you've already paid for them! I ended up taking a variety of included, optional and private tours on my cruise. I have to admit that I did like the fact that the spa area was open to everyone as long as you didn't order services or products. I didn't use the spa area much, but found it a nice diversion on sea days. And I've never really cared much about entertainment in the evening or what's on the room TV, but have to admit that Viking's was indeed minimal compared to Oceania's. However, I found the price of optional excursions on Viking, using the Medical Center, and making a phone call through the ship were reasonably priced, which was nice.

[harryw]

After sailing exclusively on Oceania for 6 years, with 8 cruises on the Marina or Riviera, we read many good things about Viking. So we recently completed our first Viking Ocean cruise, on the Viking Sea. This is an edited version of my recently posted Feb 5 review.

 

Air Fare Options

 

 

We used custom air on both, and were happy with our booked flights. However, we like O's option of booking cruise without air, at a lower price. Viking will not provide a credit or lower price if you want to decline their air.

 

 

Ship Design - Apples versus oranges, and both have beautiful decor, from furniture to artwork.

 

Cabin - O provides more drawer space than Viking. Cabin stewards excellent on both. Viking had an additional perk of free snacks in fridge replenished daily.

 

Breakfasts -

 

The MDR on both had wonderful breakfasts, attentive service, and very similar menus.

 

Lunches - Lunches at the buffet on both were consistently good with many selections. Though, I missed the Oceania experience of staff reedy to carry food to an empty table. Staff was available on Viking to then take beverage orders, but not as attentive as Oceania. The pizza on Viking looked unappetizing and had few takers, compared to pizza on O which I ate often and had brisk business.

 

On Viking, I missed having a dedicated cook to order pasta station at lunch which Oceania provided with many options, as well as an occasional taco station. Viking did have only one cook to order pasta dish available.

The outdoor grill on both had similar menus with tasty selections, though, unlike Oceania where you would place your order and a server would bring it to your selected numbered table, I had to queue up and wait for the order, hoping there would be a table available, which were scarce compared to O's Waves Grill.

 

Dinner -

 

Three courses on Viking were just right.

O's 5 courses were too formidable. The selection on both was varied enough and waiters were efficient. It was an inspiration on Viking to have multi course local food options on the menu, depending on which country we were visiting. The waiters on Viking not as friendly, chatty and visible as on O.

An oddity on Viking was that we were always asked if we knew which dessert we wanted when the order was placed. (Too soon!) And we were never asked at the end of dinner if we would like coffee, tea, etc.

 

Specialty Restaurants - Manfreddi's on Viking had fantastic breads and steamed mussel. My main course was good but not stellar. We passed on the Chef's Table, since the menus on nights we could find reservations didn't thrill us. I would say that our dining experiences at Red Ginger and Jacques on O were more memorable.

 

Room Service - Viking had the best on any cruise line we have been on. Not only were there hot items available to all passengers, but hot dishes like omelettes and pancakes, and coffee always arrived hot!

 

Entertainment - The one man show by the Viking Cruise Director - who sang and had a great sense of humor - was the best show I have seen on a cruise ship in many years. The Viking Band and the two vocalists was the most talented resident band I've ever heard.

The production shows on Viking were forgettable and original songs cringeworthy. But O's shows were not much better. We were happy that Viking didn't have jugglers and

magicians, an Oceania staple.

 

Ship Excursions - Viking was our first experience wit free excursions. We took two. The guide in Santo Domingo was informative and led an

interesting tour. But in Santa Marta, the guide spoke too quickly, was a bit difficult to understand, and allocated too much time at a museum..the time should have been spent at other places nearby.

 

Ship Newsletter

 

The Viking Daily should have listed more port information. I found out later that there were port guides available, but I liked the way Oceania's ship paper provided shuttle information, taxi and bus availability, and distance estimated fares to local destinations, concisely and readable the night before.

 

Onboard Cash

 

It would have been nice to be able to obtain cash onboard on Viking, but it was not available.. Oceania would provide cash through Guest Services.

 

Conclusion - Our Viking cruise trip didn't quite live up to the hype. However, it was a wonderful trip with many many pluses out weighing negatives. This is a cruise line halfway between premium and luxury. If the wrinkles were ironed out this may be our cruise line of choice. But for now the scale is tipped to Oceania.

[sammiedawg]

We’ve done double digit number of Oceania cruises and a couple on Viking. We like Viking but feel O is superior and a much better match for us.

I disliked the self serve Viking World cafe, so I limited my selections to the carving station. Felt the Viking restaurant dinner menu was slightly lacking in accompaniments and the always available entries were not as good. Entrees were very good. Poolside grill was fine but tables were mostly in the hot, humid pool area.

I really disliked the Viking pool area, hot, humid, lacking in ventilation and the roof was mostly closed. I didn’t find open air seating in the shade. Most Viking loungers were non cushioned and not very comfortable. Viking bread in the Restaurant was tasteless.

The Viking included tours were pleasant but I don’t particularly care to ride in the tour buses, we prefer DIY or a private tour. A portion of the perdiem goes to these tours, not the best use of money for us.

 

 

We loved Manfredi and enjoyed the Chef table West Indies menu. Viking did an excellent job loading tours. Included transfers were efficient. Loved their spa. Enjoyed the interactive electronic boards around the ship and on TV. Viking service was very good, everyone is friendly. They don’t have a real library but there are lots of books around the ship, I missed the expansive Oceania libraries.

The Viking ships are quite beautiful and well laid out. As are the Oceania ships.

[bobolz]

Thanks everyone for your various comments. We have been regulars on Oceania and have been satisfied with the product, although we have noticed on recent cruises their service has declined.

 

After Reading these comparisons , I’m looking forward to our trip with Viking. My only concern and one that was mentioned was the drawer/closet space on Viking vs Oceania . We have booked a deluxe veranda on Viking and based on what I could see had very limited drawer space. Can someone confirm if they were able to store all of their items or were they forced to keep items in luggage , I assume which can fit under the bed?

 

Thx

[harryw]

I had two pieces of luggage which fit under the bed. Most clothes that I didn’t hang in the closet were packed in jumbo zip bags , so I stacked them in the closet or in the cubby holes in the end tables or above the safe.

[sammiedawg]

We are light packers. There are not many drawers in a deluxe veranda but we used the closet to stack clothes. I put a plastic bag on the floor.

I’ve since read a tip to have the cabin steward remove the coffee maker, then use that shelf to stack clothes.

 

There are two nice drawers in the bathroom for grooming items.

[roothy123]

I actually didn't feel I needed more space on any of our 3 cruises on Viking (veranda cabin for all 3). If I ran out of drawer space on the ones that didn't have the extra dresser, I just used the nice shelf at the top of the closet for pants or sweaters. I used drawers in bedstand and bathroom for little things (and desk top for really little things) and it was fine. A robe and/or pjs went on a hook in the bathroom. If I needed more space, I asked for a few more hangers on which to place shirts, pants, and an occasional dress. No big deal. However, our longest cruise was 2 weeks, and we're fairly light packers (we get better each cruise). Other people might want more space, although all in all, I don't think Oceania's lower-priced cabins have any more space than Viking's, so I'm fine with either cruise line when it comes to space.

 

If you're not a coffee/tea drinker, you could always move the coffee pot and use the shelf it's sitting on. It would have made a good place for my camera bag or my husband's backpack, but we just put them in the closet instead!

 

Our suitcases easily fit under the bed.

[nanface]

Lots of opinions on this thread as both cruise lines have loyal followers. We have not sailed on Oceania and have our first cruise (of what I hope are many) this October on Viking Sky. One of my favorite aspects of Viking is that they do not have formal nights. Does Oceania? What other cruise lines don’t include formal nights?

[bobolz]

No Oceania does not have formal nights, which is why we enjoyed Oceania. We are taking silverseas this year due to itinerary and unfortunately they have formal nights, which I’m not looking forward to.

[philw1776]

No Oceania does not have formal nights, which is why we enjoyed Oceania. We are taking silverseas this year due to itinerary and unfortunately they have formal nights, which I’m not looking forward to.

 

Sailed on Silversea a couple years ago. Great Med cruise. However per the topic Silversea did require at minimum a sport coat for men in their main restaurant. I saw a guy turned away for not having one on. I never wore a tie, no problem as a tie is not required. Bottom line is that looking over the restaurant on these 2 lines there is a noticeable difference in dress with Silversea being more European. I prefer Viking's casual business style. Some few find even that too formal and wear shorts, T shirts etc. to Viking Restaurant.

[jiminyC_fan]

I actually didn't feel I needed more space on any of our 3 cruises on Viking (veranda cabin for all 3). If I ran out of drawer space on the ones that didn't have the extra dresser, I just used the nice shelf at the top of the closet for pants or sweaters. I used drawers in bedstand and bathroom for little things (and desk top for really little things) and it was fine. A robe and/or pjs went on a hook in the bathroom. If I needed more space, I asked for a few more hangers on which to place shirts, pants, and an occasional dress. No big deal. However, our longest cruise was 2 weeks, and we're fairly light packers (we get better each cruise). Other people might want more space, although all in all, I don't think Oceania's lower-priced cabins have any more space than Viking's, so I'm fine with either cruise line when it comes to space.

 

If you're not a coffee/tea drinker, you could always move the coffee pot and use the shelf it's sitting on. It would have made a good place for my camera bag or my husband's backpack, but we just put them in the closet instead!

 

Our suitcases easily fit under the bed.

 

I agree. Unfortunately, we are heavy packers, LOL, and we found more than enough room for drawer space and shelf space. We were able to keep 3 pieces of luggage under the bed and also carryon. I bought lots of souvenirs and did not have to get the luggage out to store while cruising because of lack of space for them. We even kept our room tidy with nothing out of place because of lack of space. We were in a DV4. We did ask for them to remove the coffee pot.

[ilikewhatisgood]

I understand these are all great cruise lines, but if we are in our low 40s which one would have more similar demographics? Oceania, Viking, Crystal, Azamara, Seabourn or Regents?

 

And no kids (we did our share of Disney cruises!)

[Little Monty]

Earliey someone asked ‘why no casino’.  

 

I saw saw a recorded interview the Chairman who explained .. ‘when we decided to build an ocean cruise ship we asked many of our repeat river cruises what they would want / not want onboard’.

 

I should add, at that stage he was expecting many of the river cruise passengers to try ocean (which was a correct assumption),

 

He went on to explain the great majority indicated nil or little interest in a casino but an equally a large group supported the availablity of selve serve laundry.

 

So when the Chairman called the designers he said .. forget the casino - give me some laundries.

 

Perhaps this result was not a surprise. The river cruisers don’t have access to a casino so it is unlikely they would miss one on board Ocean 

 

And the rest is history (and I think he got it right .. IMHO 😀)

 

 

 

Edited January 6, 2019 by Little Monty
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[Dr. Cocktail]

47 minutes ago, ilikewhatisgood said:

I understand these are all great cruise lines, but if we are in our low 40s which one would have more similar demographics? Oceania, Viking, Crystal, Azamara, Seabourn or Regents?

 

And no kids (we did our share of Disney cruises!)

I have now done O, V, and Azamara as well as Ponant.

 

The math is pretty simple ... as you go up the "food chain", the age becomes older. There is an absolute and definite correlation between the price paid and the age of the crowd.

 

My partner and I are in my mid 50's and literally just got off Viking Sun. While we had a great time, it was most definitely NOT a good fit for us.

 

There is a bizarre disconnect between the products offered by the upper end cruise lines and what (slightly!) ageing and affluent cruisers want. While we both have post-grad degrees (one of them including music performance!), we don't want endless string ensembles with deadly Norwegian selections, lame main theater shows and an overall lack of energy.

 

When will the cruise lines learn that as we age,  we don't want to be in an extremely elegant mortuary?! Growing up in the 60's (and I think the primary target audience grew up in the 50's!),  I/we want the Temptations, the Beatles, the Four Tops, Carol King and James Taylor, Billy Joel and Bruce Springsteen!!! 

 

Again, this is from someone who had an opera subscription for 28 years!!!

 

A long way of saying ... try Azamara or ... the Haven or The Yacht Club!

[Jim Avery]

59 minutes ago, ilikewhatisgood said:

I understand these are all great cruise lines, but if we are in our low 40s which one would have more similar demographics? Oceania, Viking, Crystal, Azamara, Seabourn or Regents?

 

And no kids (we did our share of Disney cruises!)

Of all the options you mentioned, Viking is the only one that specifically says "No Kids".  For us that is important.  I have done a recent comparison of VO and Seabourn after our VO World Cruise and a few weeks later Seabourn in Alaska.  Search the VO threads if you are interested.  Short version is we were rather disappointed with Seabourn after VO.  Isn't Crystal the one that often advertises "Kids Sail Free!"?

[caviargal]

21 minutes ago, Dr. Cocktail said:

I have now done O, V, and Azamara as well as Ponant.

 

The math is pretty simple ... as you go up the "food chain", the age becomes older. There is an absolute and definite correlation between the price paid and the age of the crowd.

 

My partner and I are in my mid 50's and literally just got off Viking Sun. While we had a great time, it was most definitely NOT a good fit for us.

 

There is a bizarre disconnect between the products offered by the upper end cruise lines and what (slightly!) ageing and affluent cruisers want. While we both have post-grad degrees (one of them including music performance!), we don't want endless string ensembles with deadly Norwegian selections, lame main theater shows and an overall lack of energy.

 

When will the cruise lines learn that as we age,  we don't want to be in an extremely elegant mortuary?! Growing up in the 60's (and I think the primary target audience grew up in the 50's!),  I/we want the Temptations, the Beatles, the Four Tops, Carol King and James Taylor, Billy Joel and Bruce Springsteen!!! 

 

Again, this is from someone who had an opera subscription for 28 years!!!

 

A long way of saying ... try Azamara or ... the Haven or The Yacht Club!

 

Very interesting feedback.  We were very happy on Oceania Riviera and less impressed with Ponant's Le Lyrial in terms of food, service, ship layout and space and overall experience.  There was definite attitude towards non French passengers and we would not do another.  We would happily return to O and are considering a Baltic cruise with O in 2020.

 

We considered Azamara for a cruise this spring but decided on Crystal instead. The size of the cabins on Azamara - and the small bathrooms - just does not appeal to us.   Azamara charges for all specialty dining as well as wifi and premium/top shelf liquors unless you purchase an upgraded package.  The per person price was virtually identical to Crystal Serenity (and we have a much nicer cabin)and we are excited to try Crystal as we have considered it for years.  Now that open dining has  been implemented it took away our only hesitation of booking Crystal.  The ease of booking dining, excursions and general customer service with Crystal blows our Viking experience to date out of the water. 

We are on VO next month and hope to have a good overall experience once on board.  We are traveling with a group of friends so can entertain ourselves.

Edited January 6, 2019 by caviargal

[harryw]

2 hours ago, Dr. Cocktail said:

I have now done O, V, and Azamara as well as Ponant.

 

The math is pretty simple ... as you go up the "food chain", the age becomes older. There is an absolute and definite correlation between the price paid and the age of the crowd.

 

My partner and I are in my mid 50's and literally just got off Viking Sun. While we had a great time, it was most definitely NOT a good fit for us.

 

There is a bizarre disconnect between the products offered by the upper end cruise lines and what (slightly!) ageing and affluent cruisers want. While we both have post-grad degrees (one of them including music performance!), we don't want endless string ensembles with deadly Norwegian selections, lame main theater shows and an overall lack of energy.

 

When will the cruise lines learn that as we age,  we don't want to be in an extremely elegant mortuary?! Growing up in the 60's (and I think the primary target audience grew up in the 50's!),  I/we want the Temptations, the Beatles, the Four Tops, Carol King and James Taylor, Billy Joel and Bruce Springsteen!!! 

 

Again, this is from someone who had an opera subscription for 28 years!!!

 

A long way of saying ... try Azamara or ... the Haven or The Yacht Club!

“When will the cruise lines learn that as we age,  we don't want to be in an extremely elegant mortuary?! Growing up in the 60's (and I think the primary target audience grew up in the 50's!),  I/we want the Temptations, the Beatles, the Four Tops, Carol King and James Taylor, Billy Joel and Bruce Springsteen!!!”

I don’t have an answer but just want to

wholeheartedly echo this sentiment. I am 65 and having been mostly on Oceania the past 5 years, the above mentioned music is my favorite too. Unfortunately, the “covers” done at production shows were cringeworthy.

But we are sailing on HAL for the first time this month, and their new Rolling Stone Rock Room sounds promising! 

 

[Ragnar Danneskjold]

People over 50 should not dance in public.

 

[Dr. Cocktail]

2 hours ago, caviargal said:

 

Very interesting feedback.  We were very happy on Oceania Riviera and less impressed with Ponant's Le Lyrial in terms of food, service, ship layout and space and overall experience.  There was definite attitude towards non French passengers and we would not do another.  We would happily return to O and are considering a Baltic cruise with O in 2020.

 

We considered Azamara for a cruise this spring but decided on Crystal instead. The size of the cabins on Azamara - and the small bathrooms - just does not appeal to us.   Azamara charges for all specialty dining as well as wifi and premium/top shelf liquors unless you purchase an upgraded package.  The per person price was virtually identical to Crystal Serenity (and we have a much nicer cabin)and we are excited to try Crystal as we have considered it for years.  Now that open dining has  been implemented it took away our only hesitation of booking Crystal.  The ease of booking dining, excursions and general customer service with Crystal blows our Viking experience to date out of the water. 

We are on VO next month and hope to have a good overall experience once on board.  We are traveling with a group of friends so can entertain ourselves.

 

Agree on Ponant ... they really don't understand what the North American cruiser wants. Having said that, with our High School Canadian French, we did extremely well with the astoundingly elegant French cruisers!

 

We loved Azamara but primarily because the itinerary was so good and that "magical" mix of passengers superb.  We're both 6 feet tall and weigh 330 pounds ... combined! Even so, we had to inhale, spray ourselves with Pam and pray as we stepped into the shower! Not a lot of room for tall and sort-of thin guys.

 

We have been very afraid to try Crystal because of their (very) old ships....

 

If you are travelling with a group of friends on Viking, you will have a fine time.

 

As an extremely gregarious and social kind of guy, I found Viking extremely non-conducive to social interaction and that "special magic" of creating on-board friendships.

 

 

[Heidi13]

7 hours ago, ilikewhatisgood said:

I understand these are all great cruise lines, but if we are in our low 40s which one would have more similar demographics? Oceania, Viking, Crystal, Azamara, Seabourn or Regents?

 

And no kids (we did our share of Disney cruises!)

Can't comment on the age demographics on the others.

 

For no kids, Viking should be the preference, as they are 18+. Along with no casino, this was a big positive for us.

[Mrs Miggins]

7 hours ago, harryw said:

“When will the cruise lines learn that as we age,  we don't want to be in an extremely elegant mortuary?! Growing up in the 60's (and I think the primary target audience grew up in the 50's!),  I/we want the Temptations, the Beatles, the Four Tops, Carol King and James Taylor, Billy Joel and Bruce Springsteen!!!”

I don’t have an answer but just want to

wholeheartedly echo this sentiment. I am 65 and having been mostly on Oceania the past 5 years, the above mentioned music is my favorite too. Unfortunately, the “covers” done at production shows were cringeworthy.

But we are sailing on HAL for the first time this month, and their new Rolling Stone Rock Room sounds promising! 

 

Well we just got off Viking Sky.  We had Beatles, Abba, A Musical Journey Production including Neil Diamond, Aretha Franklin, Carpenters. Bruce Springsteen etc etc, then Cruise Director Drew's excellent musical show, Academeia Vocale (Opera plus contemporary) plus a fantastic New Years Eve Party with the wonderful Viking Band who played in Torshaven every night as well.  They were absolutely outstanding with a wide selection of music for dancing including Bruno Mars etc etc. .  Christina was the best singer I have ever heard in my over 20 cruises.  She was joined by Speedy as a duo and also Drew when they were really rocking.  The dance floor was packed and it was difficult to get a seat.

 

We also love Azamara with their White Night Party etc but Torshaven does feel more like a nightclub.  Our one Oceania cruise was enjoyable but rather 'staid'.

[roothy123]

Well, I was on the same Viking cruise and it was a younger crowd than usual, perhaps because it was Christmas to New Years. It was definitely a fun crowd.  That changes the whole experience. I agree that the music was good, but it seemed very similar to what Oceania has.  I think this cruise had some enhancements from our one on Viking a year ago. It was a totally awesome cruise. But I think in general that Viking is more low keyed than Oceania, with a slightly older crowd, and fewer activities.  (My husband loves the activities; I can get by without them.) I think both lines have about the same quality in food (with O having more options), service and music. Oceania seems a little less expensive, but of course it's hard to compare prices as V includes certain things in the price and O includes other things.  We enjoy both lines about the same, so choose mostly by itinerary. 

Edited January 7, 2019 by roothy123

[harryw]

17 minutes ago, roothy123 said:

Well, I was on the same Viking cruise and it was a younger crowd than usual, perhaps because it was Christmas to New Years. It was definitely a fun crowd.  That changes the whole experience. I agree that the music was good, but it seemed very similar to what Oceania has.  I think this cruise had some enhancements from our one on Viking a year ago. It was a totally awesome cruise. But I think in general that Viking is more low keyed than Oceania, with a slightly older crowd, and fewer activities.  (My husband loves the activities; I can get by without them.) I think both lines have about the same quality in food (with O having more options), service and music. Oceania seems a little less expensive, but of course it's hard to compare prices as V includes certain things in the price and O includes other things.  We enjoy both lines about the same, so choose mostly by itinerary. 

Roothy-

 

As we are leaving for our first HAL cruise in 2 weeks, on the Nieuw Statendam, how would you compare HAL food with Oceania?

[Wendy The Wanderer]

That's odd.  I'm 70 and love Motown and most of the rest of that music list. I screamed at the Beatles and cried when Carol King sang.  Not a huge fan of Springsteen. I think those demographics are screwed up.  I graduated from university in 1970, btw, so I grew up in the 50's *and* 60's.

 

But I also like classical music.

 

Sounds like a great mix to me.  And bravo, no casino!

 

I think for people under 50, Azamara might be a good fit.  The one cruise we did with them was quite lively, and friendly too.  Lots of fun music, parties, etc.  And specialty dining is included if you book a (spacious) Club Continent cabin (like a PH.) 

[UDSpud]

What causes cruisers to prefer certain cruise lines usually is dependent upon their list of priorities.  I have also found that all the cruise lines I have sailed on can have a poor cruise or something (or someone who disappoints).

 

I have been very lucky with the people on Oceania ( both crew and passengers ).  I am also apparently one of the few who like deck games and the "O" ships have many (mostly geared to "mature").

 

Most of my "on ship" good memories involve people situations and I am surprised by many of the complaining I read on CC boards. 

 

Oceania, Viking and Crystal all are good in this regard (probably due to their size and possibly the passenger to crew ratio).

 

It helps if you have a good sense of humor just in case you get "pranked"

 

On a recent Viking cruise following happened - Near the cruise end the 4 person (two male, 2 female) performers were doing the ABBA/Beatles show (both at an early time and later.  I was close to the front so I could see fairly closely.  At the early show, several numbers involved the two young ladies in short bright red dresses with about 10" fringe on the bottom of the dress.  Below the dress hem-line was black tight stockings.  The fringe was U shaped with the tops of the U attached to the hem-line.  During the dance number, the tops of one side of the U came loose and this piece of fringe hung down twice the normal length and was easy to see.  After the first show, I saw both ladies in the lobby on the way out and mentioned this.  One performer "B" thanked me and the other "M" sounded like "why are you noticing this".

 

At the second show. I sat 4 rows back from the stage and 1 seat from the aisle.  When the number came up, I noted that all the fringe stayed in place at the start, but "M" had one fringe break loose again.  During an off stage break,

"M" got the fringe fixed.

 

A little later the number had the performers come up the aisle's. "M" came up our aisle and stopped at our seats, looked at me, and did aa little hip thrust to show the fringe was intact.  After the show, I saw her in the lobby and

remarked to her "you really got me".  She then smiled and nodded.