Carnival Announces Construction of 180,000 Ton Ships

[jimbo5544]

Not sure what this has to do with the Carnival Corp LNG ships at all, except that Costa is looking favorably at the Canaries because of the LNG, but that would be for their European itineraries.

 

 

 

I see that the Canaries are looking to increase their cruise ship bookings from the US, but they seem to me to be separate agendas.

 

 

 

I would be very surprised if these early LNG ships have enough LNG capacity to take a TA. I'm just suspicious enough to think they are going dual fuel, where they can vary the ratio of LNG to liquid fuel from one extreme to the other.

 

 

I took the line "favorable to the US market" to imply they were expanding to here. No idea just thought it tied to the discussion

 

 

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[tidecat]

Carnival is going to have to be able to get the ships across the Atlantic at least once to serve the U.S. market. My guess is that those cruises will be either Southampton to New York, or from the Canary Islands to New York - the Canaries are actually a tad closer, although it would make more sense for Barcelona to be the port of embarkation.

 

Getting Halifax on board would be huge, because it knocks about 900 km off the Southampton to New York route, but that distance is within 50 km of going from the Canary Islands to Bermuda.

 

 

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[gary2835]

I just want to know, will they have a cigar bar that you can actually smoke a cigar in?

[stevenr597]

This is pretty exciting. I'd love to see Carnival get more serious with their ships and actually compete with RCI.

 

6k+ guests on 180k..... RCI does 6k on 225k. That's an interesting stat. Wonder how it'll come together.

 

Sounds like it will be quite crowded.

[Pellaz]

Thanks for the great technical discussion, gents! Lots of fascinating stuff to consider, and a lot of logistical issues for Carnival to overcome, too.

[jimbo5544]

As a semi related follow on, specifically as it relates to the LNG fuel issue, it looks like Royal is getting into the market as well (although they do not specify where these will be home ported).

http://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/15879-royal-caribbean-orders-pair-of-icon-class-lng-and-fuel-cell-powered-ships.html

[chengkp75]

As a semi related follow on, specifically as it relates to the LNG fuel issue, it looks like Royal is getting into the market as well (although they do not specify where these will be home ported).

http://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/15879-royal-caribbean-orders-pair-of-icon-class-lng-and-fuel-cell-powered-ships.html

 

As I noted on the RCI thread on these ships, the cruise lines are building these LNG ships, and hoping that this future demand will drag the supply infrastructure into being. We'll see whether this works, or whether the cruise lines will have to pony up for their own infrastructure, as Aida has done for their cruise ships and TOTE has done for their container ships.

[les37b]

That has to be the ugliest ship ever to be constructed!

[yuccaman]

As I noted on the RCI thread on these ships, the cruise lines are building these LNG ships, and hoping that this future demand will drag the supply infrastructure into being. We'll see whether this works, or whether the cruise lines will have to pony up for their own infrastructure, as Aida has done for their cruise ships and TOTE has done for their container ships.

 

 

 

I stumbled across this, regarding LNG fuel supply...

 

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/carnival-corporation-signs-agreement-with-shell-to-fuel-worlds-first-lng-powered-cruise-ships-300337817.html

[chengkp75]

I stumbled across this, regarding LNG fuel supply...

 

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/carnival-corporation-signs-agreement-with-shell-to-fuel-worlds-first-lng-powered-cruise-ships-300337817.html

 

And that agreement is only for Northern Europe and Med ports, which are in fact ahead of the curve with liquifaction infrastructure (though some of this is for export of LNG, not bunkering, but could be modified).

[jimbo5544]

That has to be the ugliest ship ever to be constructed!

 

 

Lol, I think the epic still has that title.

 

 

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[les37b]

Yikes that's hideous!

 

Give me my silver cloud or wind any day of the week! Lol

 

 

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[tidecat]

I really hope this isn't accurate, but you could be sailing on the Carnival Excellence:

 

 

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[jimbo5544]

wikipedia is never wrong......:confused:

[CA_Cruzing]

Costa's LNG ship is similar in size to Carnival's (183GT v 180GT reported). Here's pics from the first steel cutting and digital rendering of the ship:

 

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/795u627pjflohs2/AABcmLiHq6dlEcl1siOhPD_na?dl=0&preview=CEO_neil_palomba.jpg (in slideshow format)

 

note the bathroom door location in the cabin renders. talk about light coming into the room when people are asleep at night and someone uses the lav.

[Disney4/10]

And you will now see the culling of the Fantasy-class ships with the introduction of these ships; 3 Fantasy-class per 1 of these, capacity wise. Can reduce itinerary duplication.

 

i don't think they will do that cause only small ships like Ecstasy can go into Charleston

[spencercoop]

Costa's LNG ship is similar in size to Carnival's (183GT v 180GT reported). Here's pics from the first steel cutting and digital rendering of the ship:

 

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/795u627pjflohs2/AABcmLiHq6dlEcl1siOhPD_na?dl=0&preview=CEO_neil_palomba.jpg (in slideshow format)

 

note the bathroom door location in the cabin renders. talk about light coming into the room when people are asleep at night and someone uses the lav.

 

It looks like the cabins are going to be the design like Royal Caribbean and NCL use where the cabins are every other with the bed and couch switching. The cabins in these designs are a little narrower.

[wiskt]

I REALLY wish they would build NEW upgraded Smaller ships. Then they could return to some of the ports and under bridges these LARGE ships can’t get to any longer. Like Philadelphia

 

Bigger is not always better

[chengkp75]

I REALLY wish they would build NEW upgraded Smaller ships. Then they could return to some of the ports and under bridges these LARGE ships can’t get to any longer. Like Philadelphia

 

Bigger is not always better

 

Bigger may not be better, but bigger is more efficient. And Philly folded cruise operations due to lack of demand, not increased ship size. Philly also has the drawback of being several hours up the river, so making it longer in the North American ECA, requiring the ship to use a scrubber longer, or burn diesel fuel longer, both driving up price. Also, less time for the casino to be open.

[timeinthesand]

Be interesting to see what the Marina in Messina looks look as it leaves!!! :p

Lol, I hope they take it easy this time....

[jimbo5544]

Bigger may not be better, but bigger is more efficient. And Philly folded cruise operations due to lack of demand, not increased ship size. Philly also has the drawback of being several hours up the river, so making it longer in the North American ECA, requiring the ship to use a scrubber longer, or burn diesel fuel longer, both driving up price. Also, less time for the casino to be open.

 

 

 

We had discussed this before, but have you heard of any more plans for fueling these over on this side of the Atlantic?

 

 

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[chengkp75]

We had discussed this before, but have you heard of any more plans for fueling these over on this side of the Atlantic?

 

 

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There is currently only one port that has LNG bunkering facilities, and that is Port Fouchon, LA, and this facility is designed and limited to offshore supply vessels.

 

Tote Maritime has facilities in Seattle and Jacksonville, but they are limited to their own ships, and are really only transfer systems using tank trucks to bunker the ships.

 

Exxon and Crowley Maritime have joined into a business to promote LNG bunkers, and have started construction in Jacksonville of a facility that will allow LNG bunkering to Tote's and Crowley's ships and allow for export of LNG to the Caribbean and PR.

 

Other than this, there is not a lot of interest in LNG, as suppliers see high costs of infrastructure, and due to the high up front capital expense they are looking for 18-20% return on investment, and many don't feel this kind of return will be there. Each of the two tanks that Crowley is placing in Jacksonville, costs $35 million. In Europe, where the infrastructure is ahead of the US, the price of LNG is higher, so providing a higher return on investment.

 

I'm wondering whether the cruise lines are going to have to pony up and join partnerships to finance LNG bunkering facilities for all the ships they are building.

 

With the IMO's decision to limit ship's fuel to 0.5% sulfur worldwide in 2022, there is more interest in developing more diesel fuel refining capacity over LNG.

[jimbo5544]

Thanks, as always very informative

 

 

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[thinfool]

Geez...will no one be complaining about soot on aft balconies because of LNG fuel? :cool:

 

Oh yeah...will the LNG fuel conventional reciprocating engines or gas turbines?

[chengkp75]

Geez...will no one be complaining about soot on aft balconies because of LNG fuel? :cool:

 

Oh yeah...will the LNG fuel conventional reciprocating engines or gas turbines?

 

The ships being built are using "dual fuel" diesel engines, which can burn liquid fuel and gaseous fuel at the same time. Most are capable of varying the percentages from completely liquid (diesel or residual) to completely gaseous (LNG) in any ratio.