Rare jimbo5544 Posted September 22, 2016 #101 Share Posted September 22, 2016 Not sure what this has to do with the Carnival Corp LNG ships at all, except that Costa is looking favorably at the Canaries because of the LNG, but that would be for their European itineraries. I see that the Canaries are looking to increase their cruise ship bookings from the US, but they seem to me to be separate agendas. I would be very surprised if these early LNG ships have enough LNG capacity to take a TA. I'm just suspicious enough to think they are going dual fuel, where they can vary the ratio of LNG to liquid fuel from one extreme to the other. I took the line "favorable to the US market" to imply they were expanding to here. No idea just thought it tied to the discussion Sent from my iPhone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tidecat Posted September 23, 2016 #102 Share Posted September 23, 2016 Carnival is going to have to be able to get the ships across the Atlantic at least once to serve the U.S. market. My guess is that those cruises will be either Southampton to New York, or from the Canary Islands to New York - the Canaries are actually a tad closer, although it would make more sense for Barcelona to be the port of embarkation. Getting Halifax on board would be huge, because it knocks about 900 km off the Southampton to New York route, but that distance is within 50 km of going from the Canary Islands to Bermuda. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary2835 Posted September 23, 2016 #103 Share Posted September 23, 2016 I just want to know, will they have a cigar bar that you can actually smoke a cigar in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare stevenr597 Posted September 23, 2016 #104 Share Posted September 23, 2016 This is pretty exciting. I'd love to see Carnival get more serious with their ships and actually compete with RCI. 6k+ guests on 180k..... RCI does 6k on 225k. That's an interesting stat. Wonder how it'll come together. Sounds like it will be quite crowded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellaz Posted September 23, 2016 #105 Share Posted September 23, 2016 Thanks for the great technical discussion, gents! Lots of fascinating stuff to consider, and a lot of logistical issues for Carnival to overcome, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted October 17, 2016 #106 Share Posted October 17, 2016 As a semi related follow on, specifically as it relates to the LNG fuel issue, it looks like Royal is getting into the market as well (although they do not specify where these will be home ported). http://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/15879-royal-caribbean-orders-pair-of-icon-class-lng-and-fuel-cell-powered-ships.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted October 17, 2016 #107 Share Posted October 17, 2016 As a semi related follow on, specifically as it relates to the LNG fuel issue, it looks like Royal is getting into the market as well (although they do not specify where these will be home ported).http://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/15879-royal-caribbean-orders-pair-of-icon-class-lng-and-fuel-cell-powered-ships.html As I noted on the RCI thread on these ships, the cruise lines are building these LNG ships, and hoping that this future demand will drag the supply infrastructure into being. We'll see whether this works, or whether the cruise lines will have to pony up for their own infrastructure, as Aida has done for their cruise ships and TOTE has done for their container ships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
les37b Posted October 17, 2016 #108 Share Posted October 17, 2016 That has to be the ugliest ship ever to be constructed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yuccaman Posted October 17, 2016 #109 Share Posted October 17, 2016 As I noted on the RCI thread on these ships, the cruise lines are building these LNG ships, and hoping that this future demand will drag the supply infrastructure into being. We'll see whether this works, or whether the cruise lines will have to pony up for their own infrastructure, as Aida has done for their cruise ships and TOTE has done for their container ships. I stumbled across this, regarding LNG fuel supply... http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/carnival-corporation-signs-agreement-with-shell-to-fuel-worlds-first-lng-powered-cruise-ships-300337817.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted October 17, 2016 #110 Share Posted October 17, 2016 I stumbled across this, regarding LNG fuel supply... http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/carnival-corporation-signs-agreement-with-shell-to-fuel-worlds-first-lng-powered-cruise-ships-300337817.html And that agreement is only for Northern Europe and Med ports, which are in fact ahead of the curve with liquifaction infrastructure (though some of this is for export of LNG, not bunkering, but could be modified). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted October 17, 2016 #111 Share Posted October 17, 2016 That has to be the ugliest ship ever to be constructed! Lol, I think the epic still has that title. Sent from my iPhone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
les37b Posted October 17, 2016 #112 Share Posted October 17, 2016 Yikes that's hideous! Give me my silver cloud or wind any day of the week! Lol Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tidecat Posted November 17, 2016 #113 Share Posted November 17, 2016 I really hope this isn't accurate, but you could be sailing on the Carnival Excellence: Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Note7 using Tapatalk. Hey, do you smell anything burning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted November 18, 2016 #114 Share Posted November 18, 2016 wikipedia is never wrong......:confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CA_Cruzing Posted October 5, 2017 #115 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Costa's LNG ship is similar in size to Carnival's (183GT v 180GT reported). Here's pics from the first steel cutting and digital rendering of the ship: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/795u627pjflohs2/AABcmLiHq6dlEcl1siOhPD_na?dl=0&preview=CEO_neil_palomba.jpg (in slideshow format) note the bathroom door location in the cabin renders. talk about light coming into the room when people are asleep at night and someone uses the lav. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disney4/10 Posted October 5, 2017 #116 Share Posted October 5, 2017 And you will now see the culling of the Fantasy-class ships with the introduction of these ships; 3 Fantasy-class per 1 of these, capacity wise. Can reduce itinerary duplication. i don't think they will do that cause only small ships like Ecstasy can go into Charleston Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spencercoop Posted October 5, 2017 #117 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Costa's LNG ship is similar in size to Carnival's (183GT v 180GT reported). Here's pics from the first steel cutting and digital rendering of the ship: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/795u627pjflohs2/AABcmLiHq6dlEcl1siOhPD_na?dl=0&preview=CEO_neil_palomba.jpg (in slideshow format) note the bathroom door location in the cabin renders. talk about light coming into the room when people are asleep at night and someone uses the lav. It looks like the cabins are going to be the design like Royal Caribbean and NCL use where the cabins are every other with the bed and couch switching. The cabins in these designs are a little narrower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiskt Posted October 5, 2017 #118 Share Posted October 5, 2017 I REALLY wish they would build NEW upgraded Smaller ships. Then they could return to some of the ports and under bridges these LARGE ships can’t get to any longer. Like Philadelphia Bigger is not always better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted October 5, 2017 #119 Share Posted October 5, 2017 I REALLY wish they would build NEW upgraded Smaller ships. Then they could return to some of the ports and under bridges these LARGE ships can’t get to any longer. Like Philadelphia Bigger is not always better Bigger may not be better, but bigger is more efficient. And Philly folded cruise operations due to lack of demand, not increased ship size. Philly also has the drawback of being several hours up the river, so making it longer in the North American ECA, requiring the ship to use a scrubber longer, or burn diesel fuel longer, both driving up price. Also, less time for the casino to be open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeinthesand Posted October 5, 2017 #120 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Be interesting to see what the Marina in Messina looks look as it leaves!!! :p Lol, I hope they take it easy this time.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted October 5, 2017 #121 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Bigger may not be better, but bigger is more efficient. And Philly folded cruise operations due to lack of demand, not increased ship size. Philly also has the drawback of being several hours up the river, so making it longer in the North American ECA, requiring the ship to use a scrubber longer, or burn diesel fuel longer, both driving up price. Also, less time for the casino to be open. We had discussed this before, but have you heard of any more plans for fueling these over on this side of the Atlantic? Sent from my iPad using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted October 6, 2017 #122 Share Posted October 6, 2017 We had discussed this before, but have you heard of any more plans for fueling these over on this side of the Atlantic? Sent from my iPad using Forums There is currently only one port that has LNG bunkering facilities, and that is Port Fouchon, LA, and this facility is designed and limited to offshore supply vessels. Tote Maritime has facilities in Seattle and Jacksonville, but they are limited to their own ships, and are really only transfer systems using tank trucks to bunker the ships. Exxon and Crowley Maritime have joined into a business to promote LNG bunkers, and have started construction in Jacksonville of a facility that will allow LNG bunkering to Tote's and Crowley's ships and allow for export of LNG to the Caribbean and PR. Other than this, there is not a lot of interest in LNG, as suppliers see high costs of infrastructure, and due to the high up front capital expense they are looking for 18-20% return on investment, and many don't feel this kind of return will be there. Each of the two tanks that Crowley is placing in Jacksonville, costs $35 million. In Europe, where the infrastructure is ahead of the US, the price of LNG is higher, so providing a higher return on investment. I'm wondering whether the cruise lines are going to have to pony up and join partnerships to finance LNG bunkering facilities for all the ships they are building. With the IMO's decision to limit ship's fuel to 0.5% sulfur worldwide in 2022, there is more interest in developing more diesel fuel refining capacity over LNG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted October 6, 2017 #123 Share Posted October 6, 2017 Thanks, as always very informative Sent from my iPad using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thinfool Posted October 6, 2017 #124 Share Posted October 6, 2017 Geez...will no one be complaining about soot on aft balconies because of LNG fuel? :cool: Oh yeah...will the LNG fuel conventional reciprocating engines or gas turbines? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted October 6, 2017 #125 Share Posted October 6, 2017 Geez...will no one be complaining about soot on aft balconies because of LNG fuel? :cool: Oh yeah...will the LNG fuel conventional reciprocating engines or gas turbines? The ships being built are using "dual fuel" diesel engines, which can burn liquid fuel and gaseous fuel at the same time. Most are capable of varying the percentages from completely liquid (diesel or residual) to completely gaseous (LNG) in any ratio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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