mdj101 Posted March 23, 2017 #901 Share Posted March 23, 2017 If you are in the UK and purchased on a credit card, I suggest you take your cruise, pay for room service then file as Section 75 claim on your return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlindog22 Posted March 23, 2017 #902 Share Posted March 23, 2017 What would you like them to change with the ship to make it more accessible? Right now you can get on a scooter at you cabin, go down a passageway, into an elevator, and into the MDR or Windjammer without ever getting off of the scooter. Just where is it that our nation is so negligent on this matter? Not all disabled people have scooters, and arriving at the Windjammer etc. and finding that you have to wait in line is no joke if you can't stand for long. There are no chairs to sit on, and if you did find one then you would probably find that you lost you place in the line. Some people do not show disability, it doen;t mean to say they are not however. I have no outward appearance of being disable apart from the fact that I walk a bit funny, but I am classed as extreamely disabled. So if I ask for a chair to sit on I get some pretty bad looks, and no one even attempts to help. Is this right, people are taken for granted and what they look like which is totally wrong. I don't ask for anything special, but if I do ask for something it would be nice to be treated as a human being, which sometimes I am not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarea Posted March 23, 2017 #903 Share Posted March 23, 2017 People just love buzz words Discrimination, False Advertising, Corporate Greed, Guatemala, etc... You forgot Global Warming.;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cauzneffct Posted March 23, 2017 #904 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Maybe on the Contemporary lines. The premium lines (Princess, Holland America, and Celebrity) will hold onto it longer. Eventually one will have to book with Deluxe (Azamara, Oceania) or the Luxury lines to get the basics that used to be taken for granted on even the most basic of cruises. It's sad really. End of an era, we are all living through it. With that said land based travel at All Inclusives offer other options. Currently cruising is the best value imho. That may not always be true. All Inclusives like Secrets, Couples, Sandals, Iberostar, RIU, Gran Bahia Principe -- all compete for traveller dollars. Cruises are currently cheaper but that is rapidly becoming a value propisition with all the cutbacks on Contemporary lines. It used to be even Carnival/RCCL/NCL gave you a "Secrets/Sandals" quality experience for half the cost. Lately I'm finding that's not the case. I must be in the minority in that the alternative to cruising is NOT all-inclusives. The idea of being a "captive audience" has been mentioned in this thread, and that's exactly how I feel at an IA; I feel like I end up flushing a lot of money down the toilet as I tend to want to try local restaurants and thus don't get the full value out of the included meals and drinks. For that same reason, if cruises ever started charging for the MDR or entertainment, I wouldn't pay.* *this presupposes that there would be "tiers" of service with a cheaper-than-current-prices barebones option (ie, just the buffet is included with per meal pricing (or packages) for the MDR, main theater shows extra, etc), a "classic" option (how things are now), and a "premium" option (with drinks and maybe specialty restaurants included). if pricing remains stable and things like entertainment or MDR meals are extra, I probably wouldn't cruise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erbunny Posted March 23, 2017 #905 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Apparently this will be fleet wide soon. It was in an e mail I got yesterday. Not a big fan of room service , except for breakfast, but this is not a good trend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
setsail Posted March 23, 2017 #906 Share Posted March 23, 2017 http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pity%20party Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ocean Boy Posted March 23, 2017 #907 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Not all disabled people have scooters, and arriving at the Windjammer etc. and finding that you have to wait in line is no joke if you can't stand for long. There are no chairs to sit on, and if you did find one then you would probably find that you lost you place in the line. Some people do not show disability, it doen;t mean to say they are not however. I have no outward appearance of being disable apart from the fact that I walk a bit funny, but I am classed as extreamely disabled. So if I ask for a chair to sit on I get some pretty bad looks, and no one even attempts to help. Is this right, people are taken for granted and what they look like which is totally wrong. I don't ask for anything special, but if I do ask for something it would be nice to be treated as a human being, which sometimes I am not. I made no comment about disabilities. The person I replied to mentioned the ADA and the U.S. not enforcing the law on foreign flagged ships. My point was that structurally the ship is ADA accessible. And that was my ONLY point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nelblu Posted March 23, 2017 #908 Share Posted March 23, 2017 That menu is a nightmare. "Per item"? Eeek I agree, but I have to assume, based on the announcements, that the entire fleet will have the same room service menu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bUU Posted March 23, 2017 #909 Share Posted March 23, 2017 (edited) What would you like them to change with the ship to make it more accessible? The case that we were talking about is Spector v. NCL (03-1388). You can use the following link to see the case and read the plaintiffs specific concerns: http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-supreme-court/545/119.html My desire is for Congress to make clear that the ADA applies in full, thereby ensuring that as the protections evolve cruise ships would be required to keep pace with the changes, as hotels are, today. Beyond that, griffy116 and merlindog22 mentioned earlier in this thread how the introduction of this new room service charge represents a hardship for the disabled. Extension of the ADA in full to cruise ships would make such hardships actionable, when there is a practicable remediation (i.e., waiving the room service fee for the disabled). People just love buzz wordsEither that or they have good reasons for what they post. One or the other. Perhaps it is best to let people speak for themselves rather than second-guessing what others post, when you don't know. There's a reason cruise ship sterns say NASSAU and not OSLO anymore...Except as I pointed out in another thread this morning, all it would take to impose the ADA on cruise ships is a vote in Congress and the President's signature. Edited March 23, 2017 by bUU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ocean Boy Posted March 23, 2017 #910 Share Posted March 23, 2017 The case that we were talking about is Spector v. NCL (03-1388). You can use the following link to see the case and read the plaintiffs specific concerns: http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-supreme-court/545/119.html My desire is for Congress to make clear that the ADA applies in full, thereby ensuring that as the protections evolve cruise ships would be required to keep pace with the changes, as hotels are, today. Beyond that, griffy116 and merlindog22 mentioned earlier in this thread how the introduction of this new room service charge represents a hardship for the disabled. Extension of the ADA in full to cruise ships would make such hardships actionable, when there is a practicable remediation (i.e., waiving the room service fee for the disabled). I think remodeling a cruise ship to keep pace with ADA and remodeling a hotel are very different issues. As for the room service charge being a hardship for those with disabilities, what would your thoughts be if room service was simply eliminated all together? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bUU Posted March 23, 2017 #911 Share Posted March 23, 2017 I think remodeling a cruise ship to keep pace with ADA and remodeling a hotel are very different issues.Folks once said the same about hotels, but that's not really relevant to this thread anyway... As for the room service charge being a hardship for those with disabilities, what would your thoughts be if room service was simply eliminated all together?Let's ask griffy116 and merlindog22. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akcruz Posted March 23, 2017 #912 Share Posted March 23, 2017 I think it's going to impact cruisers with a disability the most, which is a shame. I don't have a problem with going to the venues to eat, but for those that can't or that it presents a difficulty...and can't afford a Grand Suite???? Instead of just saying that it's fine for you, how about considering others who truly love cruising but don't have unlimited funds and have some physical limitations.Incidentally, my parents would RAVE about the fine meal they were served and had to tell us every detail of the choices they made from the menus, so they were very satisfied with that "free" food that some of you found unacceptable. Not sure how long ago it was your parents cruised, but in my experience the quality of room service food has decline in the last 3 - 4 years. We used to order multiple times on a cruise until what we were getting was almost inedible if you ever got it. I would bet if your parents were cruising now they may not be raving about it anymore. Sent from my SM-T810 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare LMaxwell Posted March 23, 2017 #913 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Except as I pointed out in another thread this morning, all it would take to impose the ADA on cruise ships is a vote in Congress and the President's signature. Not going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Big_M Posted March 23, 2017 #914 Share Posted March 23, 2017 The case that we were talking about is Spector v. NCL (03-1388). You can use the following link to see the case and read the plaintiffs specific concerns: http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-supreme-court/545/119.html My desire is for Congress to make clear that the ADA applies in full, thereby ensuring that as the protections evolve cruise ships would be required to keep pace with the changes, as hotels are, today. Beyond that, griffy116 and merlindog22 mentioned earlier in this thread how the introduction of this new room service charge represents a hardship for the disabled. Is a cruise a necessity? Lots of things are 'hardships' but to the extent that they relate to a luxury purchase are not necessities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
setsail Posted March 23, 2017 #915 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Not all disabled people have scooters, and arriving at the Windjammer etc. and finding that you have to wait in line is no joke if you can't stand for long. There are no chairs to sit on, and if you did find one then you would probably find that you lost you place in the line. Some people do not show disability, it doen;t mean to say they are not however. I have no outward appearance of being disable apart from the fact that I walk a bit funny, but I am classed as extreamely disabled. So if I ask for a chair to sit on I get some pretty bad looks, and no one even attempts to help. Is this right, people are taken for granted and what they look like which is totally wrong. I don't ask for anything special, but if I do ask for something it would be nice to be treated as a human being, which sometimes I am not. This advice is perfect http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?p=46280741#post46280741 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bUU Posted March 23, 2017 #916 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Not going to happen.You're probably correct. Is a cruise a necessity? Is a hotel? Is a suite at a hotel? Is a penthouse suite at a hotel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
molly361 Posted March 23, 2017 #917 Share Posted March 23, 2017 You forgot Global Warming.;) And the overuse of Emojis!!:cool::eek::D:halo: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare John&LaLa Posted March 23, 2017 #918 Share Posted March 23, 2017 You're probably correct. Is a hotel? Is a suite at a hotel? Is a penthouse suite at a hotel? I do appreciate a good Penthouse suite. Sent from my HTC One_M8 using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bUU Posted March 23, 2017 #919 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Sweet suite! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ocean Boy Posted March 23, 2017 #920 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Folks once said the same about hotels, but that's not really relevant to this thread anyway... Let's ask griffy116 and merlindog22. Sort of an evasive answer. But one could easily make the argument that RCI is avoiding creating a hardship for those with disabilities by continuing to keep room service available. And, apparently, with the new and improved menus their meals should be even more enjoyable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bUU Posted March 23, 2017 #921 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Sort of an evasive answer.Not at all. Lift up the voices of the people who suffer from the problems whenever possible, rather than speaking for them. It's pretty much a rule in the communities of disabled advocacy. But one could easily make the argument that RCI is avoiding creating a hardship for those with disabilities by continuing to keep room service available.Just like the argument could have been made that Alabama schools were "avoiding" leaving Black children without water by having segregated water fountains. The intent of accommodation is supposed to be parity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ocean Boy Posted March 23, 2017 #922 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Not at all. Lift up the voices of the people who suffer from the problems whenever possible, rather than speaking for them. It's pretty much a rule in the communities of disabled advocacy. Just like the argument could have been made that Alabama schools were "avoiding" leaving Black children without water by having segregated water fountains. The intent of accommodation is supposed to be parity. Or rather to premium brands that serve that small portion of the customer base that choose to pay that much extra. Right, everyone gets the same room service for the same price.... parity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bUU Posted March 23, 2017 #923 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Right, everyone gets the same room service for the same price.... parity.But everyone doesn't get the same treatment with regard to those matters raised by griffy116 and merlindog22. Why are you working so hard to rationalize treating disabled people in a lesser manner? And why are you so reluctant to engage directly with people who are telling you that the experience is a hardship in the context of a disability? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ocean Boy Posted March 23, 2017 #924 Share Posted March 23, 2017 But everyone doesn't get the same treatment with regard to those matters raised by griffy116 and merlindog22. Why are you working so hard to rationalize treating disabled people in a lesser manner? And why are you so reluctant to engage directly with people who are telling you that the experience is a hardship in the context of a disability? I have no issue with anything that they have had to say so no particular reason to "engage" with them. And please point out where I have anywhere said that it is acceptable to treat disabled people in a lesser manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
setsail Posted March 23, 2017 #925 Share Posted March 23, 2017 While we are at it, can we fix rci excursions, I am too old to do many of them. :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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