Missing Embarkation—can I board at first port reached?

[PBNJ620]

If I were to miss my embarkation due to a serious family issue , would I be able to board the ship at the first port and join my traveling companion then? The first port would be Port Canaveral.

[Clarea]

If I were to miss my embarkation due to a serious family issue , would I be able to board the ship at the first port and join my traveling companion then? The first port would be Port Canaveral.

No, that would be against the law.

[Merion_Mom]

If I were to miss my embarkation due to a serious family issue , would I be able to board the ship at the first port and join my traveling companion then? The first port would be Port Canaveral.

 

No, that would be against the law.

It depends on the first port.

[Clarea]

It depends on the first port.

And the last port.

[PBNJ620]

Ship starts in Bayonne, NJ. First port is Port Canaveral , Florida. Then it just goes to Nassau and Cococay, Bahamas.

[Clarea]

Ship starts in Bayonne, NJ. First port is Port Canaveral , Florida. Then it just goes to Nassau and Cococay, Bahamas.

You could meet the ship in Nassau, but not Port Canaveral.

[Expat Cruise]

Yes Bob is correct so do not miss the boarding in NJ. Really has nothing to do with your reason and or even the cruise line wanting to accommodate you. It is just not allowed under the laws due to where the ship is flagged and how the Corporation has been set up.

 

The only way see possible that could work and it is a long shot at best, and would involve other issues. If you went to NJ and you check in to the ships as a passenger, with luggage etc. And then before the ship sailed you needed to leave the ship due to a emergency situation, I believe you would have met the requirements. I do not recommend going this route but it does bring up a interesting possibility.

 

*****Not a legal opinion, not recommending any action, not a lawyer, just posting for consideration on a entertainment and information site***********

[Merion_Mom]

Oh, I misread the OP as departing from Port Canaveral.

 

You cannot board in one US port and disembark in a different US port. (in the case of the example, board in Port Canaveral and disembark in Bayonne, NJ). This is a violation of the PVSA.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passenger_Vessel_Services_Act_of_1886

 

https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/documents/pvsa_icp_3.pdf

[Expat Cruise]

You are still confused here. The OP question was:

 

Ship leaves from Bayonne, NJ and first port stop is Port Canaveral, and I fail to board in Bayonne can I board in Port Canaveral?

 

And the answer is no not allowed.

 

While the answer you provide is correct it is not a answer to this question

 

Oh, I misread the OP as departing from Port Canaveral.

 

You cannot board in one US port and disembark in a different US port. (in the case of the example, board in Port Canaveral and disembark in Bayonne, NJ). This is a violation of the PVSA.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passenger_Vessel_Services_Act_of_1886

 

https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/documents/pvsa_icp_3.pdf

[Merion_Mom]

You are still confused here. The OP question was:

 

Ship leaves from Bayonne, NJ and first port stop is Port Canaveral, and I fail to board in Bayonne can I board in Port Canaveral?

 

And the answer is no not allowed.

 

While the answer you provide is correct it is not a answer to this question

 

How is my answer incorrect? "You cannot" is the same thing as your "no not allowed"

[Expat Cruise]

How is my answer incorrect? "You cannot" is the same thing as your "no not allowed"

 

Again re read the fist post..... Not getting off a cruise they are already on..... getting on a cruise after missing the embarkation port.

[Merion_Mom]

Again re read the fist post..... Not getting off a cruise they are already on..... getting on a cruise after missing the embarkation port.

 

 

 

He wants to board in port canaveral and complete the cruise, disembarking in Bayonne. He cannot do that. He cannot board in one US port and disembark in a different US port. (Unless he visits a Distant Foreign Port, which Nassau is not).

 

 

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[bouhunter]

Last December we had to miss our Florida boarding on Celebrity Silhouette. We were allowed to board at the first port in San Juan. Not sure if Puerto Rico is the same as USA departure ports in the eyes of the "law"......

 

We did have to contact Celebrity in advance and they went through a process with immigration to get it approved in advance. Initially there was to be a 65.00/pp fee but they ended up waiving it. It was an interesting process. We showed up at the pier in Old San Juan when everyone was getting off to enjoy their day. A Celebrity employee met us outside and escorted us to our room. Also, we were told we had to be the "first ones off" in FLL at the end of the cruise. We met in a little room with a couple of the entertainers and we were walked off before everyone else that morning.

[Clarea]

Last December we had to miss our Florida boarding on Celebrity Silhouette. We were allowed to board at the first port in San Juan. Not sure if Puerto Rico is the same as USA departure ports in the eyes of the "law"......

Puerto Rico and the US Virgin Islands are exempt from the PVSA law.

[pthjudy]

Yes Bob is correct so do not miss the boarding in NJ. Really has nothing to do with your reason and or even the cruise line wanting to accommodate you. It is just not allowed under the laws due to where the ship is flagged and how the Corporation has been set up.

 

The only way see possible that could work and it is a long shot at best, and would involve other issues. If you went to NJ and you check in to the ships as a passenger, with luggage etc. And then before the ship sailed you needed to leave the ship due to a emergency situation, I believe you would have met the requirements. I do not recommend going this route but it does bring up a interesting possibility.

 

*****Not a legal opinion, not recommending any action, not a lawyer, just posting for consideration on a entertainment and information site***********

I thought that if you had purchased air from RC and for some reason were delayed so ship left without you, the cruise line would get you to the next port. I KNOW this is not the circumstance questioned, but conceivably someone flying in to NJ could be delayed and next port IS Port Canaveral. Would that scenario not be allowed?

[lbjen]

You are still confused here. The OP question was:

 

Ship leaves from Bayonne, NJ and first port stop is Port Canaveral, and I fail to board in Bayonne can I board in Port Canaveral?

 

And the answer is no not allowed.

 

While the answer you provide is correct it is not a answer to this question

 

Merion Mom said exactly this, I think you are misunderstanding her post because she mentioned the fact that the passenger would eventually disembark back in Bayonne on the last day of the cruise.

[wendychloecruiser]

I was just thinking...how does it work for entertainers who get on and off anywhere?

[bouhunter]

Puerto Rico and the US Virgin Islands are exempt from the PVSA law.

 

OK. I know we were very happy that we were able to make it to SJU and board the cruise.:) Managed to salvage 5 of 7 nights.

[Clarea]

I was just thinking...how does it work for entertainers who get on and off anywhere?

They are subject to the same law.

[chengkp75]

I was just thinking...how does it work for entertainers who get on and off anywhere?

 

They are subject to the same law.

 

Actually, they are not subject to PVSA, as they are carried on the manifest as crew, even when given "passenger" status (pax cabin, free run of pax areas). Since they are not paying for transportation between ports, they are not considered passengers (a few other points involved here, but this is the major one).

[Clarea]

Actually, they are not subject to PVSA, as they are carried on the manifest as crew, even when given "passenger" status (pax cabin, free run of pax areas). Since they are not paying for transportation between ports, they are not considered passengers (a few other points involved here, but this is the major one).

Thanks Chief.:)

[papaflamingo]

Here is a fairly simple explanation of the Jones Act from Carnival.

https://help.carnival.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/427/~/the-jones-act-%2F-passenger-services-act-%2F-cabotage-law

[waterbug123]

I thought that if you had purchased air from RC and for some reason were delayed so ship left without you, the cruise line would get you to the next port. I KNOW this is not the circumstance questioned, but conceivably someone flying in to NJ could be delayed and next port IS Port Canaveral. Would that scenario not be allowed?

 

No. Doesn't matter that RC would be paying the airfare to get you re-acommodated; boarding at Port Canaveral would still violate the PVSA so you'd still have to be flown to Nassau and board there.

[Clarea]

I thought that if you had purchased air from RC and for some reason were delayed so ship left without you, the cruise line would get you to the next port. I KNOW this is not the circumstance questioned, but conceivably someone flying in to NJ could be delayed and next port IS Port Canaveral. Would that scenario not be allowed?

This scenario would be allowed, however the cruise line would offer to fly the guests to Nassau, not Port Canaveral.

[wendychloecruiser]

Actually, they are not subject to PVSA, as they are carried on the manifest as crew, even when given "passenger" status (pax cabin, free run of pax areas). Since they are not paying for transportation between ports, they are not considered passengers (a few other points involved here, but this is the major one).

 

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