PBNJ620 Posted April 10, 2018 #1 Share Posted April 10, 2018 If I were to miss my embarkation due to a serious family issue , would I be able to board the ship at the first port and join my traveling companion then? The first port would be Port Canaveral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarea Posted April 10, 2018 #2 Share Posted April 10, 2018 If I were to miss my embarkation due to a serious family issue , would I be able to board the ship at the first port and join my traveling companion then? The first port would be Port Canaveral. No, that would be against the law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merion_Mom Posted April 10, 2018 #3 Share Posted April 10, 2018 If I were to miss my embarkation due to a serious family issue , would I be able to board the ship at the first port and join my traveling companion then? The first port would be Port Canaveral. No, that would be against the law. It depends on the first port. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarea Posted April 10, 2018 #4 Share Posted April 10, 2018 It depends on the first port. And the last port. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBNJ620 Posted April 10, 2018 Author #5 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Ship starts in Bayonne, NJ. First port is Port Canaveral , Florida. Then it just goes to Nassau and Cococay, Bahamas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarea Posted April 10, 2018 #6 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Ship starts in Bayonne, NJ. First port is Port Canaveral , Florida. Then it just goes to Nassau and Cococay, Bahamas. You could meet the ship in Nassau, but not Port Canaveral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expat Cruise Posted April 10, 2018 #7 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Yes Bob is correct so do not miss the boarding in NJ. Really has nothing to do with your reason and or even the cruise line wanting to accommodate you. It is just not allowed under the laws due to where the ship is flagged and how the Corporation has been set up. The only way see possible that could work and it is a long shot at best, and would involve other issues. If you went to NJ and you check in to the ships as a passenger, with luggage etc. And then before the ship sailed you needed to leave the ship due to a emergency situation, I believe you would have met the requirements. I do not recommend going this route but it does bring up a interesting possibility. *****Not a legal opinion, not recommending any action, not a lawyer, just posting for consideration on a entertainment and information site*********** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merion_Mom Posted April 10, 2018 #8 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Oh, I misread the OP as departing from Port Canaveral. You cannot board in one US port and disembark in a different US port. (in the case of the example, board in Port Canaveral and disembark in Bayonne, NJ). This is a violation of the PVSA. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passenger_Vessel_Services_Act_of_1886 https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/documents/pvsa_icp_3.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expat Cruise Posted April 10, 2018 #9 Share Posted April 10, 2018 You are still confused here. The OP question was: Ship leaves from Bayonne, NJ and first port stop is Port Canaveral, and I fail to board in Bayonne can I board in Port Canaveral? And the answer is no not allowed. While the answer you provide is correct it is not a answer to this question Oh, I misread the OP as departing from Port Canaveral. You cannot board in one US port and disembark in a different US port. (in the case of the example, board in Port Canaveral and disembark in Bayonne, NJ). This is a violation of the PVSA. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passenger_Vessel_Services_Act_of_1886 https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/documents/pvsa_icp_3.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merion_Mom Posted April 10, 2018 #10 Share Posted April 10, 2018 You are still confused here. The OP question was: Ship leaves from Bayonne, NJ and first port stop is Port Canaveral, and I fail to board in Bayonne can I board in Port Canaveral? And the answer is no not allowed. While the answer you provide is correct it is not a answer to this question How is my answer incorrect? "You cannot" is the same thing as your "no not allowed" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expat Cruise Posted April 10, 2018 #11 Share Posted April 10, 2018 How is my answer incorrect? "You cannot" is the same thing as your "no not allowed" Again re read the fist post..... Not getting off a cruise they are already on..... getting on a cruise after missing the embarkation port. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merion_Mom Posted April 10, 2018 #12 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Again re read the fist post..... Not getting off a cruise they are already on..... getting on a cruise after missing the embarkation port. He wants to board in port canaveral and complete the cruise, disembarking in Bayonne. He cannot do that. He cannot board in one US port and disembark in a different US port. (Unless he visits a Distant Foreign Port, which Nassau is not). Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bouhunter Posted April 10, 2018 #13 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Last December we had to miss our Florida boarding on Celebrity Silhouette. We were allowed to board at the first port in San Juan. Not sure if Puerto Rico is the same as USA departure ports in the eyes of the "law"...... We did have to contact Celebrity in advance and they went through a process with immigration to get it approved in advance. Initially there was to be a 65.00/pp fee but they ended up waiving it. It was an interesting process. We showed up at the pier in Old San Juan when everyone was getting off to enjoy their day. A Celebrity employee met us outside and escorted us to our room. Also, we were told we had to be the "first ones off" in FLL at the end of the cruise. We met in a little room with a couple of the entertainers and we were walked off before everyone else that morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarea Posted April 10, 2018 #14 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Last December we had to miss our Florida boarding on Celebrity Silhouette. We were allowed to board at the first port in San Juan. Not sure if Puerto Rico is the same as USA departure ports in the eyes of the "law"...... Puerto Rico and the US Virgin Islands are exempt from the PVSA law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pthjudy Posted April 10, 2018 #15 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Yes Bob is correct so do not miss the boarding in NJ. Really has nothing to do with your reason and or even the cruise line wanting to accommodate you. It is just not allowed under the laws due to where the ship is flagged and how the Corporation has been set up. The only way see possible that could work and it is a long shot at best, and would involve other issues. If you went to NJ and you check in to the ships as a passenger, with luggage etc. And then before the ship sailed you needed to leave the ship due to a emergency situation, I believe you would have met the requirements. I do not recommend going this route but it does bring up a interesting possibility. *****Not a legal opinion, not recommending any action, not a lawyer, just posting for consideration on a entertainment and information site*********** I thought that if you had purchased air from RC and for some reason were delayed so ship left without you, the cruise line would get you to the next port. I KNOW this is not the circumstance questioned, but conceivably someone flying in to NJ could be delayed and next port IS Port Canaveral. Would that scenario not be allowed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lbjen Posted April 10, 2018 #16 Share Posted April 10, 2018 You are still confused here. The OP question was: Ship leaves from Bayonne, NJ and first port stop is Port Canaveral, and I fail to board in Bayonne can I board in Port Canaveral? And the answer is no not allowed. While the answer you provide is correct it is not a answer to this question Merion Mom said exactly this, I think you are misunderstanding her post because she mentioned the fact that the passenger would eventually disembark back in Bayonne on the last day of the cruise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendychloecruiser Posted April 10, 2018 #17 Share Posted April 10, 2018 I was just thinking...how does it work for entertainers who get on and off anywhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bouhunter Posted April 10, 2018 #18 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Puerto Rico and the US Virgin Islands are exempt from the PVSA law. OK. I know we were very happy that we were able to make it to SJU and board the cruise.:) Managed to salvage 5 of 7 nights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarea Posted April 10, 2018 #19 Share Posted April 10, 2018 I was just thinking...how does it work for entertainers who get on and off anywhere? They are subject to the same law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted April 10, 2018 #20 Share Posted April 10, 2018 I was just thinking...how does it work for entertainers who get on and off anywhere? They are subject to the same law. Actually, they are not subject to PVSA, as they are carried on the manifest as crew, even when given "passenger" status (pax cabin, free run of pax areas). Since they are not paying for transportation between ports, they are not considered passengers (a few other points involved here, but this is the major one). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarea Posted April 10, 2018 #21 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Actually, they are not subject to PVSA, as they are carried on the manifest as crew, even when given "passenger" status (pax cabin, free run of pax areas). Since they are not paying for transportation between ports, they are not considered passengers (a few other points involved here, but this is the major one). Thanks Chief.:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papaflamingo Posted April 10, 2018 #22 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Here is a fairly simple explanation of the Jones Act from Carnival. https://help.carnival.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/427/~/the-jones-act-%2F-passenger-services-act-%2F-cabotage-law Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waterbug123 Posted April 10, 2018 #23 Share Posted April 10, 2018 I thought that if you had purchased air from RC and for some reason were delayed so ship left without you, the cruise line would get you to the next port. I KNOW this is not the circumstance questioned, but conceivably someone flying in to NJ could be delayed and next port IS Port Canaveral. Would that scenario not be allowed? No. Doesn't matter that RC would be paying the airfare to get you re-acommodated; boarding at Port Canaveral would still violate the PVSA so you'd still have to be flown to Nassau and board there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarea Posted April 10, 2018 #24 Share Posted April 10, 2018 I thought that if you had purchased air from RC and for some reason were delayed so ship left without you, the cruise line would get you to the next port. I KNOW this is not the circumstance questioned, but conceivably someone flying in to NJ could be delayed and next port IS Port Canaveral. Would that scenario not be allowed? This scenario would be allowed, however the cruise line would offer to fly the guests to Nassau, not Port Canaveral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendychloecruiser Posted April 10, 2018 #25 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Actually, they are not subject to PVSA, as they are carried on the manifest as crew, even when given "passenger" status (pax cabin, free run of pax areas). Since they are not paying for transportation between ports, they are not considered passengers (a few other points involved here, but this is the major one). I knew you would be out there somewhere! Thank you.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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