kayteecat Posted November 8, 2018 #1276 Share Posted November 8, 2018 3 minutes ago, Tw in OR said: One thing I haven't seen considered in this discussion is the relative number of cabins in the type you're coming from and bidding on. For instance, on the Breakaway there is something like 450 inside cabins, 156 ocean view cabins, and like 998 balcony cabins. I would guess this means there is relatively less chance of getting an ocean view cabin with your bid up from inside, compared to a balcony cabin. I don't know how many mini suites or haven cabins there are, but if there are less than 100, and most of the 900 balcony cabins bid on them... your bid would need to be much more competitive than the bids from inside or oceanview to balcony. Theory: a poor bid from inside or OV to balcony has a good chance, but winning a suite of any kind would require coaxing the dial past fair to good, because more people are bidding on fewer cabins. I think there is some truth to this, but you have to figure a couple of things: Not all cabins are created equal. I would posit there are more balcony cabins because a balcony is a pretty popular category to book in. It makes sense to me that there would be less oceanview rooms as they take up prime real estate on the perimeter of the ship that could go towards a balcony room that would make more money. As opposed to an inside that you can stick many more places, and there will always be budget cruisers or those who don't spend too much time in their room. So I would guess that there are many in oceanviews or insides that want to move up to a balcony for less than the full balcony booking cost, but relatively less demand for something like a mini-suite (which is really just a balcony with some fringe benefits). Obviously the Haven is in a class of its own, but even at bid prices you're still spending a larger percentage more in comparison. So my theory is that you have to consider the number of available cabins, but the demand for those cabins as well. You have to remember that you can't think of the upgrades in terms of simple "I started in a balcony and moved to a mini-suite." For the balcony I vacated, someone else from an oceanview or an inside likely moved into my balcony, and now that cabin may be available for someone else to scoop up at a bargain price. If everyone wants to move to a balcony, it makes sense to bump up the people in balconies who are willing to pay more to another room. I say this as someone who was bumped from a balcony to a mini-suite with a bid that was towards the low end of fair range. Of course, the ship had a lot of availability before my upgrade was processed, so you can never consider something in a vacuum. All in all, I agree with you that you do have to consider the overall number of cabins with your bid, but ultimately you have to consider not only the demand for the cabin you want to upgrade to, but also the demand for the cabin you're currently in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tw in OR Posted November 8, 2018 #1277 Share Posted November 8, 2018 Can balcony cabins bid on balcony spa? Or aft balcony? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRex7 Posted November 8, 2018 #1278 Share Posted November 8, 2018 32 minutes ago, Tw in OR said: Can balcony cabins bid on balcony spa? Or aft balcony? We are in a midship balcony and received an upgrade offer to balcony spa, but not aft balcony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormiB Posted November 8, 2018 #1279 Share Posted November 8, 2018 1 hour ago, JamieLogical said: I'm curious about that as well! Since I have yet to find any site that will show me more than 15 categories available in a single category. I go to the Costco website. They show all cabins available. I watch the pricing on there and NCL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare JamieLogical Posted November 8, 2018 #1280 Share Posted November 8, 2018 2 hours ago, Humblebtuna said: Hi! I just did a mock booking on both ncl.com and Priceline. Was able to see which rooms were available for me in those categories. And I wasnt quoting capacity for the whole sailing. Just for the two room types I’m bidding on. Both of those sites will only show a maximum of 15 rooms available in each category. So there is no way to know if there are only THOSE 15 rooms available or 60 rooms available and you just aren't seeing them all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubroben22 Posted November 8, 2018 #1281 Share Posted November 8, 2018 sometimes the upgrade offer is super strange. I am in the Haven cabin on Gem and get an upgrade e-mail they offer 750 pp to upgrade to DOS while straight upgrade costs only 400 total Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JillK Posted November 9, 2018 #1282 Share Posted November 9, 2018 3 hours ago, JamieLogical said: Both of those sites will only show a maximum of 15 rooms available in each category. So there is no way to know if there are only THOSE 15 rooms available or 60 rooms available and you just aren't seeing them all... There is a large internet cruise-only agency that shows more than the standard 15 rooms availability. Figuring out cruise availability is contingent on who is able to publish all the cabins available (hope the bold type helps). 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare JamieLogical Posted November 9, 2018 #1283 Share Posted November 9, 2018 1 hour ago, JillK said: There is a large internet cruise-only agency that shows more than the standard 15 rooms availability. Figuring out cruise availability is contingent on who is able to publish all the cabins available (hope the bold type helps). Will you marry me? 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JillK Posted November 9, 2018 #1284 Share Posted November 9, 2018 55 minutes ago, JamieLogical said: Will you marry me? You won’t be as happy when you’re obsessively checking availability on all your future cruises! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phaedrus78 Posted November 9, 2018 #1285 Share Posted November 9, 2018 5 hours ago, JillK said: There is a large internet cruise-only agency that shows more than the standard 15 rooms availability. Figuring out cruise availability is contingent on who is able to publish all the cabins available (hope the bold type helps). My God, it’s beautiful. Bless you and and curse you for that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dexddd Posted November 9, 2018 #1286 Share Posted November 9, 2018 16 hours ago, Tw in OR said: One thing I haven't seen considered in this discussion is the relative number of cabins in the type you're coming from and bidding on. For instance, on the Breakaway there is something like 450 inside cabins, 156 ocean view cabins, and like 998 balcony cabins. I would guess this means there is relatively less chance of getting an ocean view cabin with your bid up from inside, compared to a balcony cabin. I don't know how many mini suites or haven cabins there are, but if there are less than 100, and most of the 900 balcony cabins bid on them... your bid would need to be much more competitive than the bids from inside or oceanview to balcony. Theory: a poor bid from inside or OV to balcony has a good chance, but winning a suite of any kind would require coaxing the dial past fair to good, because more people are bidding on fewer cabins. I'd have to count again, but BA Haven cabins number roughly 100. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare JamieLogical Posted November 9, 2018 #1287 Share Posted November 9, 2018 8 hours ago, JillK said: You won’t be as happy when you’re obsessively checking availability on all your future cruises! But I already do that! I keep a spreadsheet with every single category, currently available rooms (previously only up to 15), and prices for every sailing I am considering or already booked on. I am an insane person. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JillK Posted November 9, 2018 #1288 Share Posted November 9, 2018 6 hours ago, Phaedrus78 said: My God, it’s beautiful. Bless you and and curse you for that. It's definitely a mixed blessing. It can and WILL eat you alive if you let it. Enjoy!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shattered__minds Posted November 9, 2018 #1289 Share Posted November 9, 2018 Sorry but what is the site i must be missing the bold? any addtl clues would be appreciated :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacedaisy Posted November 9, 2018 #1290 Share Posted November 9, 2018 6 minutes ago, Shattered__minds said: Sorry but what is the site i must be missing the bold? any addtl clues would be appreciated :) Figuring out cruise availability is contingent on who is able to publish all the cabins available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacedaisy Posted November 9, 2018 #1291 Share Posted November 9, 2018 55 minutes ago, JamieLogical said: But I already do that! I keep a spreadsheet with every single category, currently available rooms (previously only up to 15), and prices for every sailing I am considering or already booked on. I am an insane person. Me, too! We can be friends when they put us away for cruise tracking syndrome. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shattered__minds Posted November 9, 2018 #1292 Share Posted November 9, 2018 Here is my upgrade data: Sailing out of San juan 1/27 Dawn Orig booked Obstructed ocean view with a ton of "perks" (free tax day, distinctive voyages, etc etc) 1249 guest fare 1265 out the door. offer to upgrade to Balc or Mini suite. Chose mini suite bid at low fair range, still under the going guaranteed rate for mini on the site now w. the 20% latitudes reward promo. (1549 guest fare 1710 out the door) Considered rebooking but would lose all the "perks" so we cant do that bit. Question to you all is with all the things NCL may or may not consider when granting upgrade bids....do you think the bonus perks you select have a bearing? ie since we didn't chose the Unlimited drinks would that make a difference? or is the consensus that they go on base fare? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phaedrus78 Posted November 9, 2018 #1293 Share Posted November 9, 2018 3 hours ago, JamieLogical said: But I already do that! I keep a spreadsheet with every single category, currently available rooms (previously only up to 15), and prices for every sailing I am considering or already booked on. I am an insane person. I may have just finished creating a spreadsheet just like this for my Jan. 23 sailing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridaythe13th Posted November 9, 2018 #1294 Share Posted November 9, 2018 15 hours ago, JillK said: There is a large internet cruise-only agency that shows more than the standard 15 rooms availability. Figuring out cruise availability is contingent on who is able to publish all the cabins available (hope the bold type helps). I hear they have a good Black Friday sale too! Do you know anything about that?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruisennerable Posted November 9, 2018 #1295 Share Posted November 9, 2018 1 hour ago, Phaedrus78 said: I may have just finished creating a spreadsheet just like this for my Jan. 23 sailing... Spreadsheet ..... omg I’ve been keeping hand written notes and rewriting them - how did I not think of spreadsheets Yay more assistance for my ocd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JillK Posted November 9, 2018 #1296 Share Posted November 9, 2018 41 minutes ago, fridaythe13th said: I hear they have a good Black Friday sale too! Do you know anything about that?? I believe they do but I don't do business with them. They assess a $100/pp cancellation fee and I have a TA who doesn't have fees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridaythe13th Posted November 9, 2018 #1297 Share Posted November 9, 2018 1 minute ago, JillK said: I believe they do but I don't do business with them. They assess a $100/pp cancellation fee and I have a TA who doesn't have fees. Good to know, thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phaedrus78 Posted November 9, 2018 #1298 Share Posted November 9, 2018 Well after using some of the information provided and crunching some availability numbers... I don't have high hopes for getting a bid through for Epic on 1/23. From what I can determine, right now there are 60 balcony rooms, 28 mini-suites and 30 Haven class rooms available. Inside rooms are sold out completely. My bids to upgrade to balcony or mini-suite are both in the Good range, but with 75 days still left before departure I'm not optimistic there will be much left to upgrade into. I suppose there could be more available... apparently there are a total of 62 BF-class balcony rooms and 60 MD-class mini-suites on the boat. Since those are listed as GTY options, it's impossible to get a count of how many might be remaining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heelfan94 Posted November 9, 2018 #1299 Share Posted November 9, 2018 23 minutes ago, Phaedrus78 said: Well after using some of the information provided and crunching some availability numbers... I don't have high hopes for getting a bid through for Epic on 1/23. From what I can determine, right now there are 60 balcony rooms, 28 mini-suites and 30 Haven class rooms available. Inside rooms are sold out completely. My bids to upgrade to balcony or mini-suite are both in the Good range, but with 75 days still left before departure I'm not optimistic there will be much left to upgrade into. I suppose there could be more available... apparently there are a total of 62 BF-class balcony rooms and 60 MD-class mini-suites on the boat. Since those are listed as GTY options, it's impossible to get a count of how many might be remaining. Don't forget the balcony people are bidding on higher categories, so theoretically the number of balcony cabins available will go up with those approved bids. I think you have a good shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nola37 Posted November 9, 2018 #1300 Share Posted November 9, 2018 I booked about 35 days out on December 1 sailing on the Bliss. Got an offer to upgrade immediately after booking. Ocean view $25, Balcony 50 and Spa Balcony $125. I’m not really a spa guy nor do I care about a window so I went for the balcony and keep my bid at $50 since I was satisfied with my inside cabin. Now I’m 22 days out and my bid was accepted. Super excited to experience a cruise with a balcony room. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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