What was your upgrade offer and what did you bid

[Nclgetawaymenhoney]

7 hours ago, Sup_Devil said:

Congrats! So you lose the unlimited beverage package if you upgrade is accepted to haven?? I am bidding on it for our 3/7 epic cruise but don't want to lose that, it's a birthday celebration! 

You keep the original perks you had, the person who had just won upgrade had a sailaway balcony, and because it was sailaway you get no perks i.e. No beverage package internet pkg etc.  if you already have beverage package and win your upgrade you keep your perks i.e. Beverage package in your case

[Sup_Devil]

13 minutes ago, Nclgetawaymenhoney said:

You keep the original perks you had, the person who had just won upgrade had a sailaway balcony, and because it was sailaway you get no perks i.e. No beverage package internet pkg etc.  if you already have beverage package and win your upgrade you keep your perks i.e. Beverage package in your case

Oh ok great! Thanks! 

[huntersh2]

48 minutes ago, Nclgetawaymenhoney said:

You keep the original perks you had, the person who had just won upgrade had a sailaway balcony, and because it was sailaway you get no perks i.e. No beverage package internet pkg etc.  if you already have beverage package and win your upgrade you keep your perks i.e. Beverage package in your case

So in essence if u bid into Haven from Sail away....you have 0 perks. Never  even thought you could bid Haven from sail away. Bit they must have to pay way more for a minimum since they are already paying way less. For ex. If Person A paid $1500 pp for a mid ship for 2 ($3000) and  Person B with a sail away balcony paid $749 for 2 ($1500) wouldnt Person Bs minimum bid on a Haven have to be double that of Person A's to begin with. Like my Minimum bid for H9 (Haven spa) is $400..would person Bs be $800?? Curious from people who are in that scenario . Thanks. 🙂

[takeadip]

23 hours ago, cincicruisers said:

Just got the email that neither of my offers were accepted for our Bliss sailing Saturday.  More money to spend in the casino.

I would call the upsell/ upgrade number and see what they would accept 1-800-625-4309 one last try cant hurt. Tell them you have a lil extra money and would hate to waste it in the casino and see if they can get you into the cabin range you were looking for.

-Mark

[JamieLogical]

46 minutes ago, huntersh2 said:

So in essence if u bid into Haven from Sail away....you have 0 perks. Never  even thought you could bid Haven from sail away. Bit they must have to pay way more for a minimum since they are already paying way less. For ex. If Person A paid $1500 pp for a mid ship for 2 ($3000) and  Person B with a sail away balcony paid $749 for 2 ($1500) wouldnt Person Bs minimum bid on a Haven have to be double that of Person A's to begin with. Like my Minimum bid for H9 (Haven spa) is $400..would person Bs be $800?? Curious from people who are in that scenario . Thanks. 🙂

 

 

What you initially paid is irrelevant. NCL already has that money. All that matters with upgrades is maximizing FUTURE profits. If I paid $1000 for my cabin and someone else paid $1200, but then I bid $500 and they bid $400, NCL would be stupid not to take my extra $100.

[Mjdj1220]

So got my 6 rejection emails. A bit disappointing but now I have more money to spend at the Spa. Here is a breakdown of my offers:

Spa Balcony- $175pp

Spa Mini-suite- $195pp

Courtyard Haven-$850pp

Forward facing Haven-$850pp

Spa balcony Haven-$850pp

Aft facing Haven- $875pp.

 

MJ

[huntersh2]

2 hours ago, JamieLogical said:

 

 

What you initially paid is irrelevant. NCL already has that money. All that matters with upgrades is maximizing FUTURE profits. If I paid $1000 for my cabin and someone else paid $1200, but then I bid $500 and they bid $400, NCL would be stupid not to take my extra $100.

Really. Wow. So you are better off ALWAYS doing the sail away balcony rate and then putting extra towards the Haven.. seems odd though if I paid 3000 total for my current room and they paid 1500 and I offered 800 for the Haven H5 and they offered 850 they would take theres. Seems off doesnt it. I paid 3800 if they accept mine. They paid 2350 if they accept mine which is 1350 more. I cant rap my mind about how that is now better for them. And if you are right I'll never do mid ship balcony again. I could have saved like 600 pp ($1300) doing sail away. Great to know but I assumed they took into acct all paid 

[huntersh2]

34 minutes ago, Mjdj1220 said:

So got my 6 rejection emails. A bit disappointing but now I have more money to spend at the Spa. Here is a breakdown of my offers:

Spa Balcony- $175pp

Spa Mini-suite- $195pp

Courtyard Haven-$850pp

Forward facing Haven-$850pp

Spa balcony Haven-$850pp

Aft facing Haven- $875pp.

 

MJ

On What ship MJD??..and sorry my friend.  You will still have a BLAST!!! and from what I'm learning people can get sail aways at $749 then put down $1000 pp ($2000 total) on Haven and beat your 875 pp which is 1750. Even if you already paid 3000 and they only paid 1500..so in they end they still only pay 500 more then you for Haven. Seems crazy !!

Edited February 23, 2019 by huntersh2

[rockfsh]

3 hours ago, JamieLogical said:

 

 

What you initially paid is irrelevant. NCL already has that money. All that matters with upgrades is maximizing FUTURE profits. If I paid $1000 for my cabin and someone else paid $1200, but then I bid $500 and they bid $400, NCL would be stupid not to take my extra $100.

 

What about the situation where cruisers with different classes of cabins both bid, for example, a mini suite, if the person in the lower category bids slightly higher, will NCL accept that bid? Moving the person in the higher category will open that cabin which may result in higher overall revenue for NCL.
 

Edited February 23, 2019 by rockfsh

[rabidstoat]

12 hours ago, Sup_Devil said:

Congrats! So you lose the unlimited beverage package if you upgrade is accepted to haven?? I am bidding on it for our 3/7 epic cruise but don't want to lose that, it's a birthday celebration! 

 

No, you don't lose anything upgrading to the haven, you keep everything you had before, but you don't gain new perks. Normally you get all the perks with the haven booking.

 

I was on a cheapie sailaway rate so I had no perks to lose!

[rabidstoat]

11 hours ago, happy cruzer said:

Thank you for posting.  I think I am on the same cruise.  I saw that cabin become available as well.  Since I really wanted a Spa Haven room, I did not bid on it.  And I cancelled by bid on the Spa Haven room, to know exactly how much I had to spend on other extras that needed to be booked.  Looks like you bid dead on to me.  I was in the poor range before I cancelled the bid and was pretty sure it would not get accepted; since I liked the balcony cabin location I had I just cancelled the bid and spent the money on other things.  You however will be living the "Haven" life, congratulations!

 

I almost didn't bid because I too had an awesome balcony location picked for me on the sailaway, but I figured that upgrade bids is the best way for me as a solo traveler to get the Haven. It was a serendipitous timing of events, I got my annual performance review and a nice bonus, so I went to check if Haven cabins were available since they'd all been sold out for a while and lo! There was one.

 

I've been in the Spa Haven before, it was a treat to myself with last year's bonus, but I paid out of pocket as a solo so it ended up costing twice as much. It was super nice, though, and spoiled me. 🙂 I am a big fan of soaking in bathtubs and the jacuzzi tub in the suite saw a lot of use! Looks like the forward-facing penthouse has a non-jacuzzi soaking tub which will be sweet.

[rabidstoat]

9 hours ago, romalley99 said:

 

Wow, within a few hours of bidding? When is your sailing? 

Congrats! 

 

My cruise leaves Sunday, February 24th and I bid on Wednesday, February 20th.

 

The Haven cabin must have just become available because they'd been sold out for a while. They'd also already done the balcony upgrades earlier in the week. So it could be that someone just canceled and they picked the upgrade bid soon afterward and I timed it right.

 

Looking at timestamps I made my request at 10:56 am, or at least that's when I got my confirmation email of my bid being made. And the award email came at 11:28 am the same day, so I actually got notified less than an hour after bidding! Didn't realize it was so fast, wow.

[JamieLogical]

41 minutes ago, huntersh2 said:

Really. Wow. So you are better off ALWAYS doing the sail away balcony rate and then putting extra towards the Haven.. seems odd though if I paid 3000 total for my current room and they paid 1500 and I offered 800 for the Haven H5 and they offered 850 they would take theres. Seems off doesnt it. I paid 3800 if they accept mine. They paid 2350 if they accept mine which is 1350 more. I cant rap my mind about how that is now better for them. And if you are right I'll never do mid ship balcony again. I could have saved like 600 pp ($1300) doing sail away. Great to know but I assumed they took into acct all paid 

 

 

You are thinking of this all wrong. If you paid 3000 and they paid 1500, NCL already has 4500 in their pockets. If you bid 800 and they bid 850 and NCL accepts your bid, now NCL has $5300. If NCL accepts the other bid, they now have $5350. I've never met a company that wasn't in the business of making money. They are always going to take more total money....

[huntersh2]

8 minutes ago, JamieLogical said:

 

 

You are thinking of this all wrong. If you paid 3000 and they paid 1500, NCL already has 4500 in their pockets. If you bid 800 and they bid 850 and NCL accepts your bid, now NCL has $5300. If NCL accepts the other bid, they now have $5350. I've never met a company that wasn't in the business of making money. They are always going to take more total money....

Interesting.  Your right.  Hmm.. what about rockfishs point that is actually very good. If they take theres that may not be a great balcony spot and mine is better they are able to sell mine for more...hence once the moves take place my room will be worth more. Seem logical or am I still off. Thanks for help w this.

[huntersh2]

But in future I'm taking the cheap sail away. At 800 pp (1600 total ) and then putting 1200 pp  (2400 total ) towards haven which should get me a win in an h5 or H9. And that's only 4000 total. When I'm doing mid ships at 3000 total  and putting bids in for 850 to 900 pp. So 1800 total more. So 4800 for the same H5 Or H9 ..I save 800 plus booking sail aways.  And from what u say JLogical my 1200 bid beats my 850 bid. So it's a no brainer!!

[Mjdj1220]

1 hour ago, huntersh2 said:

On What ship MJD??..and sorry my friend.  You will still have a BLAST!!! and from what I'm learning people can get sail aways at $749 then put down $1000 pp ($2000 total) on Haven and beat your 875 pp which is 1750. Even if you already paid 3000 and they only paid 1500..so in they end they still only pay 500 more then you for Haven. Seems crazy !!

I am on the Escape this Sunday. I will use the extra cash for the spa and a few massages!

 

MJ

[Krazy Kat]

42 minutes ago, JamieLogical said:

 

 

You are thinking of this all wrong. If you paid 3000 and they paid 1500, NCL already has 4500 in their pockets. If you bid 800 and they bid 850 and NCL accepts your bid, now NCL has $5300. If NCL accepts the other bid, they now have $5350. I've never met a company that wasn't in the business of making money. They are always going to take more total money....

Your point assumes that both cruisers received the same upgrade minimum offers.  Is this the case?  Or is the bidding range for each category customized for each cruiser?  For example, cruiser A is in a BD on casino rate (2100) and cruiser B is in a M6 (3250) and both cruiser want to bid on Aft Haven.  Would both cruisers bid range be 750 - 3500 so they are competing equally and higher bud wins?  Or would cruiser A's range be more (1000-4000) and cruiser B be less (500 - 3000) so cruiser A would essentially paying more in the bidding game?  So this make sense?  Has anyone ever collected information from multiple cruisers on the same cruise to find out if the bidding range is the same for all?    

[huntersh2]

21 minutes ago, Mjdj1220 said:

I am on the Escape this Sunday. I will use the extra cash for the spa and a few massages!

 

MJ

Sounds great. Enjoy. I loved the escape. And one ship I was not Haven and loved it!! So much to do..

[huntersh2]

13 minutes ago, Krazy Kat said:

Your point assumes that both cruisers received the same upgrade minimum offers.  Is this the case?  Or is the bidding range for each category customized for each cruiser?  For example, cruiser A is in a BD on casino rate (2100) and cruiser B is in a M6 (3250) and both cruiser want to bid on Aft Haven.  Would both cruisers bid range be 750 - 3500 so they are competing equally and higher bud wins?  Or would cruiser A's range be more (1000-4000) and cruiser B be less (500 - 3000) so cruiser A would essentially paying more in the bidding game?  So this make sense?  Has anyone ever collected information from multiple cruisers on the same cruise to find out if the bidding range is the same for all?    

That's exactly how I figured it worked. According to JLogical that may not be the case. I assumed my 400 minimum bid to Haven was equal to their 800 starting minimum bid which in sense even the playing field from the start. Allowing NCL to make even more money back forcing them (Sail away guarantee rate rooms) to start at a higher come in like in poker. This would make total sense! And what it also does is it kicks some cruisers out of the bidding game because their "come in" is too high. If your minimum bid is 1000 pp for an H9 (H spa) then you may think twice of even getting into the bid game. Or the whole ship may be bidding (and this may or may not be a fiasco)

[ennjay]

2 hours ago, Mjdj1220 said:

So got my 6 rejection emails. A bit disappointing but now I have more money to spend at the Spa. Here is a breakdown of my offers:

Spa Balcony- $175pp

Spa Mini-suite- $195pp

Courtyard Haven-$850pp

Forward facing Haven-$850pp

Spa balcony Haven-$850pp

Aft facing Haven- $875pp.

 

MJ

 

Out of curiosity -- were you not offered the ability to upgrade on other Havens such as Owners Suites and the 2-BR suites -- or did you just not opt to bid on them?  Just wondering if those are restricted to certain cruisers?  We, for instance, are in a Balcony on the Escape, but have 4 people, and were only offered a Mini-Suite, Aft-facing, Forward, facing, 2-BR, Owners Suite, and Deluxe Owners Suite.  No Courtyard Haven or Spa suites (or Spa Mini or Spa Balcony).  I'm sure not having the ability to bid on those categories is because we have 4 people (and they have 2- or 3-people max) but I was wondering if you need more than 2 people to bid on the 2-BR suite, for instance.  

[jethrojam]

44 minutes ago, huntersh2 said:

That's exactly how I figured it worked. According to JLogical that may not be the case. I assumed my 400 minimum bid to Haven was equal to their 800 starting minimum bid which in sense even the playing field from the start. Allowing NCL to make even more money back forcing them (Sail away guarantee rate rooms) to start at a higher come in like in poker. This would make total sense! And what it also does is it kicks some cruisers out of the bidding game because their "come in" is too high. If your minimum bid is 1000 pp for an H9 (H spa) then you may think twice of even getting into the bid game. Or the whole ship may be bidding (and this may or may not be a fiasco)

I would assume there is a little more to it than that.   They also probably factor in the likelihood of a last minute buyer of the original unit, which is probably more likely to snag the cheapest one available.  Which is another reason why a sail away balcony will win over a minisuite.  

However, if there is a bid of more from an inside to the minisuite, that may factor in a different kind of win.   Example.   inside bids 500 for minisuite.   Minisuite bids 800 for suite.   Balcony bids 900 for suite.   Same Inside bids 200 for balcony.   

The 500 plus 800 equals a 1300 profit for NCL.   The 900 plus 200 equals an 1100 profit.   

The balcony gets screwed because the inside didn't bid enough to take over their balcony.  

 

 

[huntersh2]

15 minutes ago, ennjay said:

 

Out of curiosity -- were you not offered the ability to upgrade on other Havens such as Owners Suites and the 2-BR suites -- or did you just not opt to bid on them?  Just wondering if those are restricted to certain cruisers?  We, for instance, are in a Balcony on the Escape, but have 4 people, and were only offered a Mini-Suite, Aft-facing, Forward, facing, 2-BR, Owners Suite, and Deluxe Owners Suite.  No Courtyard Haven or Spa suites (or Spa Mini or Spa Balcony).  I'm sure not having the ability to bid on those categories is because we have 4 people (and they have 2- or 3-people max) but I was wondering if you need more than 2 people to bid on the 2-BR suite, for instance.  

You do not need more then 2 people. My guess is MJD just didnt bid on them Or Didnt have opportunity to due to sold out because I am just 2 on next sailing and had ability to bid on everything including H4 H3 and H2

[Mjdj1220]

15 minutes ago, ennjay said:

 

Out of curiosity -- were you not offered the ability to upgrade on other Havens such as Owners Suites and the 2-BR suites -- or did you just not opt to bid on them?  Just wondering if those are restricted to certain cruisers?  We, for instance, are in a Balcony on the Escape, but have 4 people, and were only offered a Mini-Suite, Aft-facing, Forward, facing, 2-BR, Owners Suite, and Deluxe Owners Suite.  No Courtyard Haven or Spa suites (or Spa Mini or Spa Balcony).  I'm sure not having the ability to bid on those categories is because we have 4 people (and they have 2- or 3-people max) but I was wondering if you need more than 2 people to bid on the 2-BR suite, for instance.  

I was offered every cabin type in the Haven except for Deluxe Spa Haven. I opted not to bid on the top 3 Haven cabins because they were minimum 1500pp and 1000pp and I really wasn't prepared to pay that.

 

MJ

[huntersh2]

3 minutes ago, jethrojam said:

I would assume there is a little more to it than that.   They also probably factor in the likelihood of a last minute buyer of the original unit, which is probably more likely to snag the cheapest one available.  Which is another reason why a sail away balcony will win over a minisuite.  

However, if there is a bid of more from an inside to the minisuite, that may factor in a different kind of win.   Example.   inside bids 500 for minisuite.   Minisuite bids 800 for suite.   Balcony bids 900 for suite.   Same Inside bids 200 for balcony.   

The 500 plus 800 equals a 1300 profit for NCL.   The 900 plus 200 equals an 1100 profit.   

The balcony gets screwed because the inside didn't bid enough to take over their balcony.  

 

 

Makes a lot of sense!! Their algorithm must be crazyyy!!! 

[rockfsh]

33 minutes ago, jethrojam said:

I would assume there is a little more to it than that.   They also probably factor in the likelihood of a last minute buyer of the original unit, which is probably more likely to snag the cheapest one available.  Which is another reason why a sail away balcony will win over a minisuite.  

However, if there is a bid of more from an inside to the minisuite, that may factor in a different kind of win.   Example.   inside bids 500 for minisuite.   Minisuite bids 800 for suite.   Balcony bids 900 for suite.   Same Inside bids 200 for balcony.   

The 500 plus 800 equals a 1300 profit for NCL.   The 900 plus 200 equals an 1100 profit.   

The balcony gets screwed because the inside didn't bid enough to take over their balcony.  

 

 

 

What is wrong with this scenario is that there will be multiple bids for both the existing cabins as well as those opened up by the upgrade. I'm sure that there wont only be that $200 bid for the balcony.