ArtsyCraftsy Posted July 15, 2018 #26 Share Posted July 15, 2018 He could be deseased somewhere on the ship and just hasn't been found yet? So you're saying that a "ship-wide" search isn't really a "ship-wide" search? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cccole Posted July 15, 2018 #27 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Sending the family and friends warm thoughts and wishing them safe travels home. Cherie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mamaofami Posted July 16, 2018 #28 Share Posted July 16, 2018 So very sad to read this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ithaca gal Posted July 16, 2018 #29 Share Posted July 16, 2018 In any case, and however it happened, it is still sad, and should be the focus of this thread. My sympathies to all impacted by this, whether family, friends, or others. I agree, Ruth. The speculation regarding how and where is, IMHO, disrespectful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuthC Posted July 16, 2018 #30 Share Posted July 16, 2018 I agree, Ruth. The speculation regarding how and where is, IMHO, disrespectful. True, but I was referring to a rather mean-spirited post which has been removed. It was derailing the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ger_77 Posted July 16, 2018 #31 Share Posted July 16, 2018 How sad for everyone involved. My sympathies to his family and friends. Smooth Sailing! :) :) :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwams Posted July 16, 2018 #32 Share Posted July 16, 2018 Condolences to the family. Sad news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhannah Posted July 16, 2018 #33 Share Posted July 16, 2018 This is indeed tragic. My heart is heavy for this man's family/friends and the ship's crew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatcat04 Posted July 16, 2018 #34 Share Posted July 16, 2018 Oh that is so terrible. His poor wife and family. Sincere condolences to them. Just so tragic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dockman Posted July 16, 2018 #35 Share Posted July 16, 2018 Can't they review videos from all the onboard cameras which I believe provide a view along all the outside decks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haladdict Posted July 16, 2018 #36 Share Posted July 16, 2018 There is some confusion here. Were there 2 similar incidents? A man of same age fell or jumped from a balcony at about 4am in the same area a few days ago. The ship was The seven Seas mariner, on her way to Victoria and onto Vancouver. Sandra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haladdict Posted July 16, 2018 #37 Share Posted July 16, 2018 Can't they review videos from all the onboard cameras which I believe provide a view along all the outside decks? The SSM incident does have video. Not available to us, but the news piece said that cameras caught the incident. Sandra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquahound Posted July 16, 2018 #38 Share Posted July 16, 2018 Is there a suggestion of crime? Such as he having been pushed? No, not at this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsldonk Posted July 16, 2018 #39 Share Posted July 16, 2018 Sad for the family. It will be interesting to see whether/if there’s anything on the video recordings Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevingastreich Posted July 16, 2018 #40 Share Posted July 16, 2018 So you're saying that a "ship-wide" search isn't really a "ship-wide" search? It's possible. When I was in the Navy, we had a shipmate who "disappeared" for over a week while we were on a long deployment. After several days of searching the "entire" ship, it was decided by the Captain that he must have fallen overboard. When his squirreled away stash of food and water eventually ran out, he emerged from his hidey hole and admitted that he was just depressed, homesick and tired of working so hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sppunk Posted July 16, 2018 #41 Share Posted July 16, 2018 Why the 3 hour delay in reporting to the NPS? That seems a little odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkacruiser Posted July 16, 2018 #42 Share Posted July 16, 2018 With no disrespect intended to the deceased nor his family intended, I have a question that maybe a present or former crew member can answer. And, my question DOES NOT imply a direction of duties to any of the ship's personnel. Since outside deck cameras are in operation, and I assume the video feed goes to the Security Office, why does any person overboard not instantly observed? Or, at least, noticed very quickly so that the Bridge can be notified of the situation and that the ship can commence a recovery operation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevingastreich Posted July 17, 2018 #43 Share Posted July 17, 2018 Unfortunately, these types of stories give the cruise industry a bad name. To the uninitiated, they make it seem like falling overboard from a cruise ship is a simple thing to do. We all know that it isn't. You are either doing something you shouldn't be doing, you get thrown overboard or you jump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishin' musician Posted July 17, 2018 #44 Share Posted July 17, 2018 With no disrespect intended to the deceased nor his family intended, I have a question that maybe a present or former crew member can answer. And, my question DOES NOT imply a direction of duties to any of the ship's personnel. Since outside deck cameras are in operation, and I assume the video feed goes to the Security Office, why does any person overboard not instantly observed? Or, at least, noticed very quickly so that the Bridge can be notified of the situation and that the ship can commence a recovery operation? How many cameras are there, 100s? I don't believe they are monitored real time; I think the hope is to record an incident with the hope of replaying it when something has been reported. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT1962 Posted July 17, 2018 #45 Share Posted July 17, 2018 Unfortunately, these types of stories give the cruise industry a bad name. To the uninitiated, they make it seem like falling overboard from a cruise ship is a simple thing to do. We all know that it isn't. You are either doing something you shouldn't be doing, you get thrown overboard or you jump. I agree. I have friends who have never cruised and refuse to go because “people are always falling of the ships.” I try to tell them you don’t just fall off walking on deck or standing on your balcony. A tragedy for the family, regardless of what happened. Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquahound Posted July 17, 2018 #46 Share Posted July 17, 2018 With no disrespect intended to the deceased nor his family intended, I have a question that maybe a present or former crew member can answer. And, my question DOES NOT imply a direction of duties to any of the ship's personnel. Since outside deck cameras are in operation, and I assume the video feed goes to the Security Office, why does any person overboard not instantly observed? Or, at least, noticed very quickly so that the Bridge can be notified of the situation and that the ship can commence a recovery operation? The short answer is no. The long answer is, there are hundreds of cameras on board. Security cameras are not for real time surveillance. They're for reference when researching an incident. Many ships, including some in the HAL fleet, have been outfitted with a man overboard sensor system with heat sensing cameras, but I don't know if Westerdam is one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlsSalt Posted July 17, 2018 #47 Share Posted July 17, 2018 If you research the MOB - dedicated Man Overboard systems, they report they are highly flawed and not usable technology. Consequently so far their are an expensive experiment that has failed. Interesting research topic. MSC was going to install them, then others followed but none have found them to be that valuable. According to the available online research. Water, glare, salt contamination, vibrations, high seas ..etc. etc. etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsldonk Posted July 17, 2018 #48 Share Posted July 17, 2018 The short answer is no. The long answer is, there are hundreds of cameras on board. Security cameras are not for real time surveillance. They're for reference when researching an incident. Many ships, including some in the HAL fleet, have been outfitted with a man overboard sensor system with heat sensing cameras, but I don't know if Westerdam is one of them. This! There are way too many cameras for anyone to monitor. It’s rare there’s someone, like in the movies, who sits in a security office and watches the footage for all cameras all the time. There’s just too many. Cameras don’t so much prevent crime as allows someone to figure out what happened after an incident. Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Essiesmom Posted July 17, 2018 #49 Share Posted July 17, 2018 A review of the videos showed him going overboard about 6:45am. Wife did not report him missing until 3:50pm. Ship did not report him missing until 7:30pm when they had determined he was not onboard. Between the time he went overboard and the time he was reported missing, the ship had sailed it's 65 mile route into Glacier Bay, and back out again. And during that time, the man would have perished from hypothermia. EM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xport Posted July 17, 2018 #50 Share Posted July 17, 2018 Very tragically, this is the second incident of a cruise ship guest going overboard in a matter of three days... On 10 July, a passenger on Regent Seven Seas Mariner disappeared--off the coast of Washington--while the ship was in route to Victoria, BC... The US Coast Guard did recover the unconscious guest after extensive search but, sadly, he was pronounced deceased upon being transferred to a hospital at Port Angeles... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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