The future of Edge-class?

[ipeeinthepool]

5 hours ago, tfred said:

THE SeaPass card is a giant data collector for every activity on board ship.  They know everything about your activities, how much you spend and all the demographics of that

 

This is a resort that floats - not a ship that goes places.  Ports are complaining that less pax are getting off ship than ever before.  That tells X that people are less concerned about where they are going and more about the ship/experience on board since they stay on board

 

How much time do you spend in a land based resort hotel room?  Probably just to sleep, an afternoon nap, shower and get changed for dinner.  Very few are watching TV or reading a book. X made a conscious decision to emulate the land based resorts to attract those people.  I think that most want to be on deck doing something.  Want privacy and a big veranda?  get a suite

 

Pax that like to hang out on the balcony, don't drink, gamble and no specialty restaurants are unprofitable and no one is building ships based on that model

 

I also not disputing what you are saying but it really doesn't correlate to my experiences.  Every time I stay on the ship, nothing is very crowded and I watch a lot of people getting off the ship.

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1 hour ago, Luvcrusn said:

I'm not disputing what you're saying but am curious about how you know ports are complaining about passengers not getting off the ships.

 

https://cruisefever.net/one-third-cruise-passengers-stay-ship/. 

 

Ever see the line at noon to get back on ?  People eat breakfast 2 hours in port and then they are back on for lunch 

 

i also work with suppliers to cruise cruise ships who tell me this. 

[ipeeinthepool]

10 minutes ago, tfred said:

 

https://cruisefever.net/one-third-cruise-passengers-stay-ship/. 

 

Ever see the line at noon to get back on ?  People eat breakfast 2 hours in port and then they are back on for lunch 

 

i also work with suppliers to cruise cruise ships who tell me this. 

 

My experience tells me that very few people get off the ship and have breakfast.  About four hours off the ship sounds about right for the average excursion.  It sounds to me like you are basing your opinion on the locals.  I'm sure they don't think anyone spends enough money in port.  However, I admit I don't know how all of the shops and taxis around the ports make money.  Most shops look empty and they always have looked empty.

[boscobeans]

6 hours ago, tfred said:

.  Want privacy and a big veranda?  get a suite

 

Pax that like to hang out on the balcony, don't drink, gamble and no specialty restaurants are unprofitable and no one is building ships based on that model

 

Really?

We book staterooms that sometimes have larger verandas than some suites such as aft or hump cabins. We enjoy our verandas for a few hours in the sun as well as late night drinks and snacks.  We go ashore when in ports, drink as much as most others, spend several hours every afternoon (when at sea) as well as nights in the casino and do enjoy on board shopping as well as specialty restaurants.  

 

If as you say Celebrity is NOT building ships on that model, one of which is in my opinion the Edge, than so be it. There are other lines much less edgy. And although we are Elite on Celebrity we have just about the same status on other lines as well..

 

I am sure Celebrity won't miss me and I will not miss Celebrity since over the past almost 20 years they are NOT what they used to be even in the slightest.

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Should have used a comma. They eat on board then a few hours in port 

 

the ship wants pax to spend all their money on board   Their commissions from on board vendors is high. Probably more than they can make from a tour.

 

The ship also controls the entire experience when the pax stays on board. All they need is one crummy excursion and the cruise line gets blamed with potential loss of a customer long term.

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7 hours ago, twodjs said:

Hi tfred - well, Virgin Voyages has bigger balconies on their ship, debuting in 2020. I guarantee you that we will enjoy our balcony (our suite balcony is almost 400 sq. ft.!) and drink (no drink package is offered - interesting move on Virgin's part) and gamble. All food venues are included so no problem there. They're bucking the norm, of course because they're Virgin, but to say "no one" is not correct. 

I am sure that the Virgin ship will be different. I have flown Virgin Atlantic a few times and the experience is great. Upper Class and the London Clubhouse are like no other. I always find a way to fly them given a choice 

 

Good news is is that being in business lets you offer a product as an experience not just a collection of set pieces. Then customers get to make a choice based on perceived value.