Outerdog Posted February 11, 2020 #951 Share Posted February 11, 2020 A top US official has stated that they expect that the virus will be gone by April. Good news. https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/02/11/asia-pacific/science-health-asia-pacific/trump-expects-coronavirus-crisis-go-away-april/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyss Posted February 11, 2020 #952 Share Posted February 11, 2020 Everyone has been concerned about the passengers, rightly so. But, what about the crew? They are not in isolation and have been exposed to the passengers, and each other, some of whom have been diagnosed with this coronavirus. I just read this article about some of the crew wanting to go home. They are in a scarier situation than the passengers. https://www.businessinsider.com/indian-crew-coronavirus-quarantined-diamond-princess-2020-2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare MMDown Under Posted February 11, 2020 #953 Share Posted February 11, 2020 1 hour ago, bluesea321 said: Thailand has agreed to take the Westerdam. I however would not be eager to share a plane with the passengers. https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/22423-westerdam-cleared-for-thailand-disembarkation.html That might not be a good port to disembark because Thailand continued to fly to and from China after other countries. I haven't checked whether they are still flying to and from China. However, I did see Thailand listed with China, etc. as a country which people couldn't travel via. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Kmkub Posted February 11, 2020 #954 Share Posted February 11, 2020 1 minute ago, Outerdog said: A top US official has stated that they expect that the virus will be gone by April. Good news. https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/02/11/asia-pacific/science-health-asia-pacific/trump-expects-coronavirus-crisis-go-away-april/ First, sunlight is what helps kill it off, not heat. Also, President Trump is not a virus expert. According to the article: But Trump’s prognosis is at odds with top U.S. health officials who have cautioned against commenting on the trajectory of the epidemic. “The issue is, we don’t know,” Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, told reporters Friday. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesea321 Posted February 11, 2020 #955 Share Posted February 11, 2020 1 minute ago, azbirdmom said: Yes, I saw the interview she did with CNN a short while ago. It sent a chill up my spine when she talked about the ambulances starting to assemble again and the firetrucks positioning to block the view of the media. Such a sad situation they are in. Hmm... not transparent, are they! How long ago was the CNN interview? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outerdog Posted February 11, 2020 #956 Share Posted February 11, 2020 1 minute ago, sandyss said: But, what about the crew? There has been plenty of discussion about the crew. They are facing more exposures than the pax in many cases. In one article I read, bar staff are washing dishes returned from the cabins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare azbirdmom Posted February 11, 2020 #957 Share Posted February 11, 2020 Just now, bluesea321 said: Hmm... not transparent, are they! How long ago was the CNN interview? Roughly 40 minutes ago and it was live. It's Tuesday morning in Japan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caribill Posted February 11, 2020 #958 Share Posted February 11, 2020 1 hour ago, bluesea321 said: Hospital isolation wards are kept at negative pressure. Cruise ship cabins are kept at positive pressure due to fire code restrictions. What this means is that every time a cabin door is opened (for meals, linens, a walk on the deck, etc.) a certain volume of cabin air moves into the hallway contaminating the zone/area air system. There is little if anything Princess can do about that. A cabin is not an isolation room, it may be the best they can do on a ship but don't confuse it with a hospital. Actually, air from each cabin is going into the hallway 100% of the time. As air comes into the cabin from the air conditioning system, some air must also leave the cabin which it does including through the small opening at the bottom of each cabin door to the hallway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kathy49 Posted February 11, 2020 #959 Share Posted February 11, 2020 7 minutes ago, npcl said: They are not quarantining well people with sick people. They are removing the sick people as soon as they are identified. because of such a long incubation period technically there are many "sick" people in cabins with well people. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kathy49 Posted February 11, 2020 #960 Share Posted February 11, 2020 4 minutes ago, bluesea321 said: Hmm... not transparent, are they! How long ago was the CNN interview? I am still unclear when it was. DAvid Abel is talking on his facebook but he cannot see the dock and ambulances etc. I guess we will know soon. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesea321 Posted February 11, 2020 #961 Share Posted February 11, 2020 1 minute ago, caribill said: Actually, air from each cabin is going into the hallway 100% of the time. As air comes into the cabin from the air conditioning system, some air must also leave the cabin which it does including through the small opening at the bottom of each cabin door to the hallway. Air comes in through the HVAC vents and is taken out through the bathroom exhaust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outerdog Posted February 11, 2020 #962 Share Posted February 11, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, caribill said: Actually, air from each cabin is going into the hallway 100% of the time. As air comes into the cabin from the air conditioning system, some air must also leave the cabin which it does including through the small opening at the bottom of each cabin door to the hallway. No. Air is exhausted from the cabin at the exhaust vent in the bathroom. Edited February 11, 2020 by Outerdog 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
npcl Posted February 11, 2020 #963 Share Posted February 11, 2020 9 minutes ago, Outerdog said: A top US official has stated that they expect that the virus will be gone by April. Good news. https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/02/11/asia-pacific/science-health-asia-pacific/trump-expects-coronavirus-crisis-go-away-april/ Not very likely. Consider this take a look at the temperatures in Singapore. An area with several person to person transfers. Now how much warmer would it need to get to block transmission. I don't think CDC is making that comment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesea321 Posted February 11, 2020 #964 Share Posted February 11, 2020 1 minute ago, Outerdog said: No. Air is exhausted from the cabin at the intake vent in the bathroom. We were typing at the same time... 😀 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outerdog Posted February 11, 2020 #965 Share Posted February 11, 2020 1 minute ago, npcl said: Not very likely. Consider this take a look at the temperatures in Singapore. An area with several person to person transfers. Now how much warmer would it need to get to block transmission. I don't think CDC is making that comment. I was laying the sarcasm on pretty thick... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanF65 Posted February 11, 2020 #966 Share Posted February 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, bluesea321 said: Air comes in through the HVAC vents and is taken out through the bathroom exhaust. 1 minute ago, Outerdog said: No. Air is exhausted from the cabin at the intake vent in the bathroom. Caribill is correct, you open the door and the small gap at the bottom of the door there is some air leaving the cabin to the hallway. How much air would depend on how tight the door seal is for fire and how many times a day the door is opened. The 100% is not 100% of the air but there is a small constant leak there. A- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
npcl Posted February 11, 2020 #967 Share Posted February 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, bluesea321 said: Air comes in through the HVAC vents and is taken out through the bathroom exhaust. Not all. The difference is low enough to maintain slight positive pressure. rest exhausts via hallway. However if those on Balcony room leave their balcony doors open then they create a low pressure situation for air flow to travel from hallway through their room to outside (I am sure that you have observed air whistling through the hallway doors of balcony cabins sometimes when balcony door is left open. If I was on board I would only open balcony door enough to go out and in, but not leave it open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caribill Posted February 11, 2020 #968 Share Posted February 11, 2020 7 minutes ago, bluesea321 said: Air comes in through the HVAC vents and is taken out through the bathroom exhaust. 5 minutes ago, Outerdog said: No. Air is exhausted from the cabin at the exhaust vent in the bathroom. And when the bathroom door is closed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
npcl Posted February 11, 2020 #969 Share Posted February 11, 2020 12 minutes ago, Outerdog said: There has been plenty of discussion about the crew. They are facing more exposures than the pax in many cases. In one article I read, bar staff are washing dishes returned from the cabins. As in placing them in the industrial washers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outerdog Posted February 11, 2020 #970 Share Posted February 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, AlanF65 said: Caribill is correct, you open the door and the small gap at the bottom of the door there is some air leaving the cabin to the hallway. How much air would depend on how tight the door seal is for fire and how many times a day the door is opened. The 100% is not 100% of the air but there is a small constant leak there. A- Not exactly. One of the main reason that the guests are quarantined in their cabins most of the day, is that the AC in cabins is not shared or recirculated. There are two AC systems on the ship. One takes outside air, cools it, and supplies it to the cabins, in a one way flow. This fresh air supplied to the cabins is almost balanced by the bathroom exhaust which takes the air to the outside, in a one way flow. The fresh air supply is slightly greater than the exhaust to keep the cabin at a slight positive pressure relative to the outside, and to the passageway outside the cabin. The AC controlled by the cabin thermostat is air within the cabin, that is recirculated within the cabin, passing over the individual cabin's cooler. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
npcl Posted February 11, 2020 #971 Share Posted February 11, 2020 Just now, caribill said: And when the bathroom door is closed? The bathroom door is not a tight seal. If it stopped enough air from getting out the vent the bathroom would go negative pressure and would be more difficult to open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outerdog Posted February 11, 2020 #972 Share Posted February 11, 2020 1 minute ago, caribill said: And when the bathroom door is closed? There is a gap under that door for this purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kathy49 Posted February 11, 2020 #973 Share Posted February 11, 2020 13 minutes ago, azbirdmom said: Roughly 40 minutes ago and it was live. It's Tuesday morning in Japan. then there are more passengers being taken away...Gay sounded very despondent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesea321 Posted February 11, 2020 #974 Share Posted February 11, 2020 3 minutes ago, npcl said: Not all. The difference is low enough to maintain slight positive pressure. True. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outerdog Posted February 11, 2020 #975 Share Posted February 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, npcl said: As in placing them in the industrial washers. As in handling them. With or without the proper training, PPE, or contained work areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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