Rare twangster Posted March 8, 2020 #101 Share Posted March 8, 2020 What came of this isn’t going to be offered to the media or the public. It’s not like that are posting the meeting minutes. The public facing gathering was rightfully planned with careful words to avoid the market crashing and public panic on one wrong word. Initially skeptical but I think this meeting was a good idea. Both sides understand the other and lines of communication are open that might not have been last week. We’ll likely never fully comprehend the good that came from this. 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anton Posted March 8, 2020 #102 Share Posted March 8, 2020 I saw the opening statements at the meeting with the media present, and when Adam Goldstein finished his remarks the media was rather forcefully told to get out of the room, almost in a drill instructor manner by whoever was actually yelling at them to hurry up and leave. They indeed do not want to lose control of whatever message is finally announced. It would not surprise me if guests have their temperatures taken not only at embarkation, but also prior to debarkation at the end of the cruise and even once or twice during the cruise if it's a long one. Having coronavirus test kits on the ships is a good idea, and I think that will be part of the plan. Nobody wants the media optics of yet another ship stuck at sea or isolated in port. They want to be able to identify, verify, isolate, and get to a shore facility, anyone who tests positive. Oh, and just don't cough or wipe your nose on your cruise. You might be singled out for special attention. Fellow allergy sufferers, you know what I mean. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare thrifty99 Posted March 8, 2020 #103 Share Posted March 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Anton said: It would not surprise me if guests have their temperatures taken not only at embarkation, but also prior to debarkation at the end of the cruise and even once or twice during the cruise if it's a long one. Having coronavirus test kits on the ships is a good idea, and I think that will be part of the plan. Nobody wants the media optics of yet another ship stuck at sea or isolated in port. They want to be able to identify, verify, isolate, and get to a shore facility, anyone who tests positive. Oh, and just don't cough or wipe your nose on your cruise. You might be singled out for special attention. Fellow allergy sufferers, you know what I mean. All good ideas. And as a fellow allergy sufferer, I know exactly what you mean. I will have a big selection of allergy medicine on my April Harmony cruise so I don’t get thrown overboard if I sniffle / cough. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mugtech Posted March 8, 2020 #104 Share Posted March 8, 2020 The good news is they are not taking up Trump's idea of keeping everyone on the ship so the disease does not enter the country. Hope they get those people on Grand Princess into that non-commercial port soon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishelly76 Posted March 8, 2020 #105 Share Posted March 8, 2020 23 minutes ago, mugtech said: The good news is they are not taking up Trump's idea of keeping everyone on the ship so the disease does not enter the country. Hope they get those people on Grand Princess into that non-commercial port soon. Where did you hear that? Does that mean they will not be quarantining future cruises that have passengers that test positive? Scheduled to sail Friday on Serenade and considering canceling...not for fear of getting sick but out of fear of being quarantined and stuck if a fellow passenger becomes sick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mugtech Posted March 8, 2020 #106 Share Posted March 8, 2020 32 minutes ago, mishelly76 said: Where did you hear that? Does that mean they will not be quarantining future cruises that have passengers that test positive? Scheduled to sail Friday on Serenade and considering canceling...not for fear of getting sick but out of fear of being quarantined and stuck if a fellow passenger becomes sick. No, but quarantined on land instead of on the ship, hence the search for the non-commercial port Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare twangster Posted March 8, 2020 #107 Share Posted March 8, 2020 5 hours ago, mugtech said: No, but quarantined on land instead of on the ship, hence the search for the non-commercial port The only non-commercial ports that can handle large ships are government ports such as US Navy or Coast Guard bases. It's not like they can beach a ship so when you take commercial ports out of the mix there isn't much left. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare A&L_Ont Posted March 8, 2020 #108 Share Posted March 8, 2020 Found this photo on FB. In all seriousness I hope all the cameras left quickly so they could actually have good communication. I still think cruise stock is dropping on Monday, with the Grand Princess sitting off the shore of California. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mugtech Posted March 8, 2020 #109 Share Posted March 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, twangster said: The only non-commercial ports that can handle large ships are government ports such as US Navy or Coast Guard bases. It's not like they can beach a ship so when you take commercial ports out of the mix there isn't much left. I thought that must be what they meant by non-commercial ports, don't really know what they had in mind, why not just say government ports? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiserhal Posted March 8, 2020 #110 Share Posted March 8, 2020 13 hours ago, Anton said: I saw the opening statements at the meeting with the media present, and when Adam Goldstein finished his remarks the media was rather forcefully told to get out of the room, almost in a drill instructor manner by whoever was actually yelling at them to hurry up and leave. They indeed do not want to lose control of whatever message is finally announced. It would not surprise me if guests have their temperatures taken not only at embarkation, but also prior to debarkation at the end of the cruise and even once or twice during the cruise if it's a long one. Having coronavirus test kits on the ships is a good idea, and I think that will be part of the plan. Nobody wants the media optics of yet another ship stuck at sea or isolated in port. They want to be able to identify, verify, isolate, and get to a shore facility, anyone who tests positive. Oh, and just don't cough or wipe your nose on your cruise. You might be singled out for special attention. Fellow allergy sufferers, you know what I mean. I agree with you about allergy suffers because I am also one. This year I have started early with the runny nose and tight chest. Mucinex and Claritin are my saviors every year. The good thing is my allergies never give me a fever. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingos Posted March 8, 2020 #111 Share Posted March 8, 2020 14 hours ago, time4u2go said: So did anything useful/helpful come out of the meeting? Photo ops of men looking concerned. 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingos Posted March 8, 2020 #112 Share Posted March 8, 2020 8 hours ago, mugtech said: No, but quarantined on land instead of on the ship, hence the search for the non-commercial port At least some are going to Dobbins AFB in Georgia. https://www.11alive.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/some-grand-princess-passengers-headed-to-atlanta/85-c3c9980d-b67d-46e1-b68f-de9fb9d17ae3 "I have learned that thirty-four Georgians and additional American citizens from the eastern United States who are currently on the Grand Princess cruise ship off the California coast will be securely transferred to Dobbins Air Reserve Base in Marietta, Georgia," Kemp said in a release Sunday morning. "These passengers will undergo testing and be quarantined for possible exposure to COVID-19. They are expected to arrive at Dobbins late Monday, March 9 or early Tuesday, March 10." There is no indication if any of the people being transported to Georgia have tested positive for coronavirus, nor how many individuals in addition to the 34 Georgians would be arriving at Dobbins. According to California state officials, the Grand Princess has been given permission to dock at the Port of Oakland on Monday, where disembarkation of passengers will begin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodgestang Posted March 8, 2020 #113 Share Posted March 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, flamingos said: Photo ops of men looking concerned. 🙂 I would offer the opinion of YES something good did come out of the meeting. Do you think RCCL (and Carnival) announcing their new refund policy the day before as well as the new enhanced screen measures at port where simple coincidence? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingos Posted March 8, 2020 #114 Share Posted March 8, 2020 1 minute ago, dodgestang said: I would offer the opinion of YES something good did come out of the meeting. Do you think RCCL (and Carnival) announcing their new refund policy the day before as well as the new enhanced screen measures at port where simple coincidence? Announcing something 'before' the meeting is not a result of the meeting. 🙂 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodgestang Posted March 8, 2020 #115 Share Posted March 8, 2020 1 hour ago, flamingos said: Announcing something 'before' the meeting is not a result of the meeting. 🙂 Yeah because the whole "Hey, the VP is coming to visit with a mandate to discuss what you are doing to help control spread of a disease" doesn't make ANYONE think "gee maybe we should put some measures in place so we can point to them at the meeting to help avoid the .Fed thinking we aren't doing enough and trying to mandate things we don't like" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare TexasRon Posted March 8, 2020 #116 Share Posted March 8, 2020 Just a comment about the "force" used to clear the media. The media has a job and they never really want to leave just in case they can get one more answer (or, if you are more cynical, one more "gotcha" moment). Asking them to nicely leave does not seem to work. Either the person(s) answering questions need to leave the room or they need to be herded out. Nothing unusual at all about the process... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akcruz Posted March 8, 2020 #117 Share Posted March 8, 2020 Saw this article earlier about this meeting. Not a whole lot, but something. https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/07/coronavirus-cruise-lines-123455 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MADflyer Posted March 8, 2020 #118 Share Posted March 8, 2020 The meeting had 2 topics according to industry news. 1. The Cruise Line International Association and the lobbying wing of the Cruise Industry wanted to strongly support their statement from Friday concerning the possible action by the government to discourage cruise vacations for certain passenger segments. https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/22551-clia-responds-to-report-that-u-s-may-discourage-cruise-vacations.html 2. The US and Florida governments concern was about that the industry would "help" pay for the transfer and care of sick passengers. https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/22556-industry-promises-to-go-above-and-beyond-pay-for-medical-care.html I would imagine that the cruise industry had much stronger plans already in place for dealing with a health emergency and are just implementing well thought out plans that were already in place. This was a scheduled one hour meeting that went over to one hour and 15 minutes. That would indicate that there was not a lot of depth to the actual meeting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingos Posted March 8, 2020 #119 Share Posted March 8, 2020 15 minutes ago, dodgestang said: Yeah because the whole "Hey, the VP is coming to visit with a mandate to discuss what you are doing to help control spread of a disease" doesn't make ANYONE think "gee maybe we should put some measures in place so we can point to them at the meeting to help avoid the .Fed thinking we aren't doing enough and trying to mandate things we don't like" Actually, not my thought process at all. I'm more concerned about the lack of information, the conflicting statements, the disinformation and the forced praise of the president at these events. The time to discuss spread of the disease was back in January. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3CatsInMA Posted March 8, 2020 #120 Share Posted March 8, 2020 12 minutes ago, flamingos said: Actually, not my thought process at all. I'm more concerned about the lack of information, the conflicting statements, the disinformation and the forced praise of the president at these events. The time to discuss spread of the disease was back in January. The coronavirus task force was launched in January. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingos Posted March 8, 2020 #121 Share Posted March 8, 2020 14 minutes ago, 3CatsInMA said: The coronavirus task force was launched in January. And what did they do? We are so far behind the curve, compared to most other nations. “Every one of these doctors said, ‘How do you know so much about this?’ Maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should have done that instead of running for president.” This does not fill me with confidence. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3CatsInMA Posted March 8, 2020 #122 Share Posted March 8, 2020 1 minute ago, flamingos said: And what did they do? We are so far behind the curve, compared to most other nations. “Every one of these doctors said, ‘How do you know so much about this?’ Maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should have done that instead of running for president.” This does not fill me with confidence. You said the conversation should have been started in January. It was. Now keep moving those goal posts! LOL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingos Posted March 8, 2020 #123 Share Posted March 8, 2020 7 minutes ago, 3CatsInMA said: I would love a link to that quote. Thanks!🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingos Posted March 8, 2020 #124 Share Posted March 8, 2020 1 minute ago, 3CatsInMA said: You said the conversation should have been started in January. It was. Now keep moving those goal posts! LOL We had a pandemic team at the CDC; they are no longer there. They would have begun in January; they did not. What do you think this team of which you speak has been doing, before Pence was put in charge two weeks ago? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare A&L_Ont Posted March 8, 2020 #125 Share Posted March 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, 3CatsInMA said: I would love a link to that quote. Thanks!🙂 ”Trump also touted the low number of overall cases as a sign of the government's success. The president even said he'd prefer passengers stuck aboard a cruise ship off the coast of California with a number of COVID-19 cases remain onboard so as not to raise the overall American case count“. Link to the story the Canadian News story is here. https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/we-re-just-lost-why-the-u-s-still-lags-on-covid-19-testing-1.5488886 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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