RCCL requires Drs, note

[TMLAalum]

A close relative and her husband are in their early 60s. They will be able to sail sans doctor's note despite the fact that he has suffered a major heart attack, had blood clots in the leg that required a month's hospitalization, is diagnosed with congestive heart failure, is significantly overweight and unable to meet the guidelines for flying of being able to walk 100 yards and climb 12 steps. She's had no major health issues but would have difficulty walking the length of the average cruise ship. 

 

Meanwhile, my DH & I who are over a decade older than they, walk 2-3 miles a day and (pre-covid) work out at the gym several times a day with high blood pressure controlled by meds will not be able to cruise again, unless this dr. clearance requirement is lifted.

 

What physician would be willing to open herself up to potential  professional and financial liability by signing off on this form?

 

 

 

 

[molly361]

16 minutes ago, Captain Billy Bob said:

One of the most at risk segments of the general population from the virus.

Yet they will be allowed to sail and the fit 70+ year old whose doctor does not want the liability and won't sign the letter will be denied boarding

[LorraineP]

8 minutes ago, TMLAalum said:

A close relative and her husband are in their early 60s. They will be able to sail sans doctor's note despite the fact that he has suffered a major heart attack, had blood clots in the leg that required a month's hospitalization, is diagnosed with congestive heart failure, is significantly overweight and unable to meet the guidelines for flying of being able to walk 100 yards and climb 12 steps. She's had no major health issues but would have difficulty walking the length of the average cruise ship. 

 

Meanwhile, my DH & I who are over a decade older than they, walk 2-3 miles a day and (pre-covid) work out at the gym several times a day with high blood pressure controlled by meds will not be able to cruise again, unless this dr. clearance requirement is lifted.

 

What physician would be willing to open herself up to potential  professional and financial liability by signing off on this form?

 

 

 

 

Insane, that is why either everyone needs to get a doctor to sign off or no one, not  just 70’s. 

[Ocean Boy]

20 minutes ago, Captain Billy Bob said:

One of the most at risk segments of the general population from the virus.

Even without the virus.

[Ocean Boy]

4 minutes ago, LorraineP said:

Insane, that is why either everyone needs to get a doctor to sign off or no one, not  just 70’s. 

That should put the finishing touch on sinking the industry. Just think, the cruise lines market themselves as a relaxing and luxurious vacation but, just in case, you need a physician to sign off stating that you are physically capable of handling it. Besides the fact that doctors won't put themselves at risk by signing, it doesn't create a sense of well being for the potential customer.

[work2cruis]

Maybe they need to ask--

* do you wash your hands after using the restroom?

*will you agree to hand sanitize every time you go into a food area or use the elevator?

*are you going to excessively drink alcohol and fall down?

Chris

[Ocean Boy]

2 minutes ago, work2cruis said:

Maybe they need to ask--

* do you wash your hands after using the restroom?

*will you agree to hand sanitize every time you go into a food area or use the elevator?

*are you going to excessively drink alcohol and fall down?

Chris

*are you going to over eat foods that you are not used to and go into congestive heart failure?

*are you going to partake in activities that you are not used to and have a heart attack?

[work2cruis]

*are you going to walk on your balcony railing and fall off the ship?

[LorraineP]

*put a weight limit on who can board

Edited April 5, 2020 by LorraineP

[Captain Billy Bob]

7 minutes ago, Ocean Boy said:

That should put the finishing touch on sinking the industry. Just think, the cruise lines market themselves as a relaxing and luxurious vacation but, just in case, you need a physician to sign off stating that you are physically capable of handling it. Besides the fact that doctors won't put themselves at risk by signing, it doesn't create a sense of well being for the potential customer.

Sitting on a lounge chair by the pool while sipping an adult beverage and reading or napping can be very taxing. 🙄

Going to be lots of mostly empty ships in the future if they start denying boarding to every at risk passenger.

[work2cruis]

If you are a regular cruiser you know that a large percentage of cruisers are overweight or obese. If they put a BMI restriction  (which makes more sense than weight restriction) on passengers of say 30 the ships would sail empty.

 

Chris

[LorraineP]

31 minutes ago, work2cruis said:

If you are a regular cruiser you know that a large percentage of cruisers are overweight or obese. If they put a BMI restriction  (which makes more sense than weight restriction) on passengers of say 30 the ships would sail empty.

 

Chris

So sad the obesity rate in the USA. The 70 year olds are probably in better health then them. 

[work2cruis]

I see plenty of folks over 70 who tip the scales at a high level.

[wr1]

7 hours ago, Ocean Boy said:

How so?

Simple if rules are in place. FOLLOW the RULES. 
Don’t think about just yourself. Think about every one else’s to.

[Ocean Boy]

2 hours ago, wr1 said:

Simple if rules are in place. FOLLOW the RULES. 
Don’t think about just yourself. Think about every one else’s to.

Still don't understand how that note protects anyone.

[zekekelso]

8 hours ago, work2cruis said:

*are you going to excessively drink alcohol and fall down?

 

 

Does falling down into my bed at night count? 

[zekekelso]

8 hours ago, LorraineP said:

*put a weight limit on who can board

 

Sounds good. A minimum of 100 lbs should filter out most of the kids 🙂

Edited April 5, 2020 by zekekelso

[Captain Billy Bob]

4 hours ago, work2cruis said:

I see plenty of folks over 70 who tip the scales at a high level.

I also see plenty of passengers under 70 who tip the scales at a high point .

[wr1]

Its a note from your dr saying you are safe to cruise. You are not a danger to yourself or anyone else. 

They are taking you on board on their ship in the middle of nowhere and to foreign countries that may not have the healthcare to take care of you. Why put yourself in risk or put someone in the position to try to help you.
It simple follow the rules or stay home.

[rtazz17]

8 hours ago, work2cruis said:

If you are a regular cruiser you know that a large percentage of cruisers are overweight or obese. If they put a BMI restriction  (which makes more sense than weight restriction) on passengers of say 30 the ships would sail empty.

 

Chris

Lol,nope. I will be on it. Bmi 22

[rtazz17]

Everyone should relax. There wont be cruising for quite a while. This not requirement will change. This has been a one off big time never happened in our lifetime to this scale event. Let it settle.

[zekekelso]

29 minutes ago, wr1 said:

Its a note from your dr saying you are safe to cruise.

 

Problem is, nobody (certainly no doctor) knows what that means. 

[Ocean Boy]

3 minutes ago, zekekelso said:

 

Problem is, nobody (certainly no doctor) knows what that means. 

If he/she read through the 14 pages of this thread and still doesn't get it you aren't going to get through.

[Ocean Boy]

41 minutes ago, wr1 said:

 

It simple follow the rules or stay home.

Your right, it is simple. If I needed a note, which I don't,  I could write my own.😉

[squadron]

On 4/2/2020 at 2:09 PM, Etta1213 said:

If a person is on blood pressure meds, doing fine, will that be enough to exclude him? Isn't that better than a person being undiagnosed and therefore not treated? I also think about the seniors who walk laps around the ship, use the stairs, etc, drink only moderately, have extensive travel experience and understand safety in ports, etc. I just find the doc note to be potentially hurtful and offensive unless applied to all across the board.

Agree - I have noticed many "younger" people who seem to require scooters and walkers.  All require note  regardless of age.