Predict when cruising will start again post-Coronavirus

[Vader1111]

13 minutes ago, MicCanberra said:

If they government does that, then I find that bordering on being racist, people from any country should be able to do a quarantine period.

Yeah... nah.  Australia has always had a special relationship with NZ.  The Trans Tasman Bubble is possible only because of this relationship, and the fact that both countries have squashed CV-19 flat.

 

They're certainly not going to extend it to countries like the Philippines or Indonesia, where CV-19 is still running rampant and completely uncontained.

[Vader1111]

12 minutes ago, MicCanberra said:

What you state is the conditions now, which will certainly not be case in 6 months time, especially if they have opened to country to NZers and south pacific islanders.

Australia's CMO made a statement this morning.  We're not opening the borders until there is a way of controlling CV-19, and it is under control all around the world.

 

NZ and the South Pacific are options because there are virtually no cases there, so no risk of infection.  They're not even thinking about opening up to anyone else, and there's no plan to do so for the foreseeable future (6+ months).

[Vader1111]

9 minutes ago, MicCanberra said:

P&O have been cruising out of Australia for over 78 years, perhaps that arrangement was not long enough?

P&O were never providing a service regarded as "essential".

 

You, and many others, may not regard Defence as being essential - but the Govt clearly does.  Nobody, especially not the Govt, considers cruising to be essential.  If you look up the definition of "non-essential", you'll probably see a photo of a cruise ship.

[MicCanberra]

5 minutes ago, Vader1111 said:

Yeah... nah.  Australia has always had a special relationship with NZ.  The Trans Tasman Bubble is possible only because of this relationship, and the fact that both countries have squashed CV-19 flat.

 

They're certainly not going to extend it to countries like the Philippines or Indonesia, where CV-19 is still running rampant and completely uncontained.

The trans tasman bubble will not be including quarantines though.

[mr walker]

34 minutes ago, ilikeanswers said:

 

Do we need it to return to what it was? Mass tourism was becoming problematic around the world maybe the industry shrinking is what is needed to give better management of tourist sites. I came across an article about a reef in the Caribbean that they say all the fish have returned and is thriving with life since all the tourists have disappeared. Maybe change in the tourist industry wouldn't be so bad 🤔. 

Impact on places due to tourism is a different  to what I was referring to, and should be something addressed by all forms of tourism & should have been on the agenda before COVID19.

I was referring to the cruise experience onboard likely to be different ie less people, social distancing in all venues etc, maybe extraordinary measures to prevent disease that actually makes the experience less enjoyable. And likely more expensive. 

[MicCanberra]

4 minutes ago, Vader1111 said:

Australia's CMO made a statement this morning.  We're not opening the borders until there is a way of controlling CV-19, and it is under control all around the world.

 

NZ and the South Pacific are options because there are virtually no cases there, so no risk of infection.  They're not even thinking about opening up to anyone else, and there's no plan to do so for the foreseeable future (6+ months).

A bit of a contradiction then, we are not opening borders but we are.

 6 months is just in time for the cruise season, crews only need 2 weeks and then they are right to go.

[MicCanberra]

3 minutes ago, Vader1111 said:

P&O were never providing a service regarded as "essential".

 

You, and many others, may not regard Defence as being essential - but the Govt clearly does.  Nobody, especially not the Govt, considers cruising to be essential.  If you look up the definition of "non-essential", you'll probably see a photo of a cruise ship.

Defence is essential, US troops here are not.

[Vader1111]

7 minutes ago, MicCanberra said:

Are the cows Australian cows, if not they shouldn't be allowed to come home until they have served a quarantine period.

As for exemptions, they will not be required as the travel restrictions will allow them back.

They'll be allowed back in when the travel restrictions are lifted... but that won't be happening in 2020.  Refer to the CMO's comments this morning (which I quoted in this thread earlier today).

[MicCanberra]

Just now, Vader1111 said:

They'll be allowed back in when the travel restrictions are lifted... but that won't be happening in 2020.  Refer to the CMO's comments this morning (which I quoted in this thread earlier today).

So no milk til then?

[Vader1111]

3 minutes ago, MicCanberra said:

The trans tasman bubble will not be including quarantines though.

Correct.  Kiwis will be allowed to enter the country without quarantine.  Nobody else will be entering the country, other than Australian citizens and permanent residents, subject to a handful of exemptions. 

 

Cruise ship crews will not be exempted, and won't be coming into Australia with or without quarantine.

[Vader1111]

5 minutes ago, MicCanberra said:

A bit of a contradiction then, we are not opening borders but we are.

 6 months is just in time for the cruise season, crews only need 2 weeks and then they are right to go.

Hence why it's being referred to as the Trans Tasman Bubble.  These countries are being treated very differently to the rest of the world - partly because of our special relationship with them, partly because they have virtually no cases of CV-19.

 

As for the rest of the world, including Indonesia & the Philippines... it's going to be a long wait.

[Vader1111]

6 minutes ago, MicCanberra said:

Defence is essential, US troops here are not.

Argue that with the Govt.  They obviously see it differently.

 

Either way, it's an irrelevant point.  Cruise ships are not essential, and nobody in their right mind would argue that they are.  As a non-essential business, they are not going to be receiving exemptions in order to get back to business.  They will have to wait until we re-open the borders to the rest of the world, and that's not happening this year.

[OzKiwiJJ]

5 minutes ago, Vader1111 said:

 

 

Either way, it's an irrelevant point.  Cruise ships are not essential, and nobody in their right mind would argue that they are.  As a non-essential business, they are not going to be receiving exemptions in order to get back to business.  They will have to wait until we re-open the borders to the rest of the world, and that's not happening this year.

I guess that depends on how essential tourism is to the economy in general, and in particular to some of the smaller ports like Eden, Kangaroo Island, and Broome, all if whome have benefited immensely by cruise ship visits. 

[Vader1111]

Just now, OzKiwiJJ said:

I guess that depends on how essential tourism is to the economy in general, and in particular to some of the smaller ports like Eden, Kangaroo Island, and Broome, all if whome have benefited immensely by cruise ship visits. 

They'll just have to get by on domestic tourism, with the occasional Kiwi thrown in for good measure.

 

There won't be any foreign tourists, or Australians traveling on cruise ships, any time soon.

 

Domestic tourism is going to get a massive boost, as everyone takes their holidays here instead of spennding their money overseas.  It won't be long until the internal travel restrictions are lifted.

[OzKiwiJJ]

Domestic land-based tourism to places like Kangaroo Island and Broome is unlikely to bring in as much to their economies as cruises do. Eden may fare a bit better as it's on the coastal route between Sydney and Melbourne but it's a long way from both.

 

It's actually quite sad. Just a few short months ago Sun Princess was being welcomed with open arms to Kangaroo Island, being the first cruise ship to visit after the devastating bush fires there.

[MicCanberra]

42 minutes ago, Vader1111 said:

Correct.  Kiwis will be allowed to enter the country without quarantine.  Nobody else will be entering the country, other than Australian citizens and permanent residents, subject to a handful of exemptions. 

 

Cruise ship crews will not be exempted, and won't be coming into Australia with or without quarantine.

Crews won't need exemptions, if they quarantine, that is all that is needed.

[MicCanberra]

39 minutes ago, Vader1111 said:

Hence why it's being referred to as the Trans Tasman Bubble.  These countries are being treated very differently to the rest of the world - partly because of our special relationship with them, partly because they have virtually no cases of CV-19.

 

As for the rest of the world, including Indonesia & the Philippines... it's going to be a long wait.

The Trans Tasman Bubble, is the start by October we will be allowing other countries to come again as long as they quarantine. Yes a long wait but only 6 months.

[MicCanberra]

39 minutes ago, Vader1111 said:

Argue that with the Govt.  They obviously see it differently.

 

Either way, it's an irrelevant point.  Cruise ships are not essential, and nobody in their right mind would argue that they are.  As a non-essential business, they are not going to be receiving exemptions in order to get back to business.  They will have to wait until we re-open the borders to the rest of the world, and that's not happening this year.

We are used to hypocrisy from governments. Again, in time there will be no need for exemptions.

[MicCanberra]

32 minutes ago, Vader1111 said:

They'll just have to get by on domestic tourism, with the occasional Kiwi thrown in for good measure.

 

There won't be any foreign tourists, or Australians traveling on cruise ships, any time soon.

 

Domestic tourism is going to get a massive boost, as everyone takes their holidays here instead of spennding their money overseas.  It won't be long until the internal travel restrictions are lifted.

Or saving for the time when overseas travel is available again.

[Porky55]

4 hours ago, Blackduck59 said:

US troops? you might as well invite the Wuhan football team. I'm pretty sure that the US has the largest outbreak in the world with no sign of containment; or attempt by their "leadership" to get a handle on it.

Was waiting for that one!!  🤔

[Vader1111]

9 minutes ago, MicCanberra said:

Crews won't need exemptions, if they quarantine, that is all that is needed.

They won't be allowed in without exemptions if we don't lift the international travel restrictions, and that's not happening this year.  By the time they're allowed back in, they won't need to worry about quarantine.

[Vader1111]

9 minutes ago, MicCanberra said:

The Trans Tasman Bubble, is the start by October we will be allowing other countries to come again as long as they quarantine. Yes a long wait but only 6 months.

But the Philippines & Indonesia won't be a part of the bubble.  No crew - no cruises.

 

Right now, cruise ship crews would require an exemption to enter the country, then a 14-day quarantine.  The Govt isn't going to grant them an exemption, so they're stuck at square 1.

 

They won't be allowed into the country until we lift all international travel restrictions, and that's not happening in 2020.

[Docker123]

11 minutes ago, MicCanberra said:

Crews won't need exemptions, if they quarantine, that is all that is needed.

Crews won’t need to quarantine.

 

Simply, they will not be given permission to enter Australia, or the bubble.

 

Same as Australians are not currently allowed to leave Australia.

 

What I expect is that there will be a graduated opening of the borders. The bubble is the first step, with some talk of a later inclusion of the South Pacific.  Areas with the virus well under control.

 

Countries with ongoing outbreaks will not be allowed in, or probably us going there, for a long time.  USA, Brazil, probably UK will not happen fast because of the ongoing severity of the disease and the lax to negligent management. 
 

[MicCanberra]

29 minutes ago, Vader1111 said:

But the Philippines & Indonesia won't be a part of the bubble.  No crew - no cruises.

 

Right now, cruise ship crews would require an exemption to enter the country, then a 14-day quarantine.  The Govt isn't going to grant them an exemption, so they're stuck at square 1.

 

They won't be allowed into the country until we lift all international travel restrictions, and that's not happening in 2020.

Correct, Philippines & Indonesia are not in the bubble and no crew =no cruises

Right now, cruise ship crews would require an exemption to enter the country, then a 14-day quarantine,  however,  I was talking about 6 months time when one or none of those would likely be required.

And of course they won't be allowed in until the restrictions are lifted, no disagreement there, just with your timing of it happening.

[Vader1111]

17 minutes ago, MicCanberra said:

Correct, Philippines & Indonesia are not in the bubble and no crew =no cruises

Right now, cruise ship crews would require an exemption to enter the country, then a 14-day quarantine,  however,  I was talking about 6 months time when one or none of those would likely be required.

And of course they won't be allowed in until the restrictions are lifted, no disagreement there, just with your timing of it happening.

They will still require exemptions/quarantine in 6 months.  We're not re-opening the border until next year at the earliest.