Coronavirus survived up to 17 days in Princess Cabins

[twins_to_alaska]

Coronavirus survived up to 17 days in Princess Cabins after passengers left.

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/23/cdc-coronavirus-survived-in-princess-cruise-cabins-up-to-17-days-after-passengers-left.html

[nelblu]

10 minutes ago, twins_to_alaska said:

Coronavirus survived up to 17 days in Princess Cabins after passengers left.

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/23/cdc-coronavirus-survived-in-princess-cruise-cabins-up-to-17-days-after-passengers-left.html

Thanks, good stuff.

[rtazz17]

Stop the panic and fear. Enough is enough

[orville99]

Whenever these types of stories come out, it is always helpful to read the underlying report from which the headline was generated. The CDC report can be accessed directly from within the CNBC story, and it is a very interesting read.

[MADflyer]

5 minutes ago, orville99 said:

Whenever these types of stories come out, it is always helpful to read the underlying report from which the headline was generated. The CDC report can be accessed directly from within the CNBC story, and it is a very interesting read.

Very interesting read. I found it interesting what a developed a dedicated CDC Cruise Ship Response team. That seemed to be in existence prior to this crisis as well. 

[Newleno]

25 minutes ago, rtazz17 said:

Stop the panic and fear. Enough is enough

yeah that darn CDC

Edited March 24, 2020 by Newleno

[NeedsVitaminSea]

2 hours ago, rtazz17 said:

Stop the panic and fear. Enough is enough

Scientific data is scientific data.  Being informed is not spreading fear.

[jknc]

I never met a smart person who refused to listen to data. 

[time4u2go]

2 hours ago, rtazz17 said:

Stop the panic and fear. Enough is enough

Lol.

[chengkp75]

Please note the following quote from the CDC report:

 

"SARS-CoV-2 RNA was identified on a variety of surfaces in cabins of both symptomatic and asymptomatic infected passengers up to 17 days after cabins were vacated on the Diamond Princess but before disinfection procedures had been conducted (Takuya Yamagishi, National Institute of Infectious Diseases, personal communication, 2020"

 

The bolded highlight is mine, there was no disinfection done.  Had the cabins been fogged with Virkon, as is done with a noro outbreak, the far easier to kill covid-19 would have been stopped right then.  

[drsel]

17 days is very alarming.

[Newleno]

1 hour ago, chengkp75 said:

Please note the following quote from the CDC report:

 

"SARS-CoV-2 RNA was identified on a variety of surfaces in cabins of both symptomatic and asymptomatic infected passengers up to 17 days after cabins were vacated on the Diamond Princess but before disinfection procedures had been conducted (Takuya Yamagishi, National Institute of Infectious Diseases, personal communication, 2020"

 

The bolded highlight is mine, there was no disinfection done.  Had the cabins been fogged with Virkon, as is done with a noro outbreak, the far easier to kill covid-19 would have been stopped right then.  

??  Well I think more people are thinking of it as identified after 17 days on a ship can it be identified on a subway railing after 17 days, can it be identified on a ******* after 17 days and after 17 days is the virus capable of infecting people.  Of course cleaning it properly takes care of it we all know that, thats that not the main concern at this point.  

[mpk]

2 hours ago, jknc said:

I never met a smart person who refused to listen to data. 

 

Data is great.  It's the interpretation that throws me for a loop  🙂

[mayleeman]

22 hours ago, jknc said:

I never met a smart person who refused to listen to data. 

 

There was one episode, I think, where the crew wasn't sure if it was really Data...

[mac_tlc]

1 hour ago, mayleeman said:

 

There was one episode, I think, where the crew wasn't sure if it was really Data...

I think it was his brother Lohr. 😜

 

mac_tlc

[Newleno]

hmm I am beginning to think the usa has got this all wrong, that we do need to wear masks and gloves when we need to go out.  Not for a false sense of security but to limit exposure to the virus and if we unknowingly have the virus masks will help not to spread it to others.  So far prelim information indicate the primary way it is spread is through cough/sneeze.  I am starting to think from the beginning a massive glove/mask production drive should have been started along with the travel bans.  In Japan, South Korea and China masks are being worn it appears to be helping.

[drsel]

RNA of Covid was discovered, but is RNA alone infective?

[chengkp75]

8 minutes ago, drsel said:

RNA of Covid was discovered, but is RNA alone infective?

The answer I've seen is, no.  Here is a New England Journal of Medicine study on covid-19 (though it apparently has a new scientific designation) that shows that while viable virus was found on various hard surfaces after 72 hours, the concentration of viable virus was greatly reduced over this time.

 

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2004973?query=featured_home

[riverotter]

5 hours ago, Newleno said:

hmm I am beginning to think the usa has got this all wrong, that we do need to wear masks and gloves when we need to go out.  Not for a false sense of security but to limit exposure to the virus and if we unknowingly have the virus masks will help not to spread it to others.  So far prelim information indicate the primary way it is spread is through cough/sneeze.  I am starting to think from the beginning a massive glove/mask production drive should have been started along with the travel bans.  In Japan, South Korea and China masks are being worn it appears to be helping.

These articles are slightly misleading although factually correct.  The RNA would not be infectious although it would be present.  The studies that recently told us that three days for hard surfaces and a little less for soft surfaces are accurate and can for the most part be relied on.

 

Yes, the USA has it all wrong about masks, but this lie may have been the only way to keep people from hoarding.  So maybe we can forgive them.  You will notice the wording in all statements regarding masks in US.  They say that there is very little to prove it helps.  That's because formal studies can't be done because humans would have to be experimented on.  But plenty of informal studies have shown that simple paper surgical masks can keep out 60% of Coronavirus sized particles.  So, yes, if everyone wore a simple paper surgical mask outdoors, we could limit spread by 60%.  Articles are, however, correct that people won't use them correctly.  They can only be reused if they get a few days of quarantine between uses, and you can't take them off to eat and drink if you are around people.  You can't touch them on the outside either.  So most people just can't be that careful.  

 

I will tell you that I live in a USA hotspot, and most people are now wearing masks despite the stigma. Most of us wear gloves and masks when we go outside.  Even cotton provides about 30% protection for coronavirus.  There are plenty of online homemade mask videos that can be made with a needle and thread that show you how to do the three-layer technique.  Still, they must be quarantined between uses and not touched, but yes, masks are now essential in some areas and gloves are also helpful.

[drsel]

Did you see the video of the COVID positive Chinese lady spit on the fruits and vegetables in the supermarket in Australia?

[time4u2go]

15 minutes ago, drsel said:

Did you see the video of the COVID positive Chinese lady spit on the fruits and vegetables in the supermarket in Australia?

No. 

[drsel]

It was disgusting. There were 2 of them and 1 was arrested

[mayleeman]

@drsel Like many, you fell for a false (and racist) fake.

 

https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/social/video-falsely-claims-woman-with-coronavirus-arrested-for-spitting-on-fruit/news-story/f48c714df2e0e64af4666c1386ba5960

[drsel]

I received some information about Covid. Is it true?

 * The virus is not a living organism, but a protein molecule (RNA) covered by a protective layer of lipid (fat), which, when absorbed by the cells of the ocular, nasal or buccal mucosa, changes their genetic code.  (mutation) and convert them into aggressor and multiplier cells.

 * Since the virus is not a living organism but a protein molecule, it is not killed, but decays on its own.  The disintegration time depends on the temperature, humidity and type of material where it lies.

 * The virus is very fragile;  the only thing that protects it is a thin outer layer of fat.  That is why any soap or detergent is the best remedy, because the foam CUTS the FAT (that is why you have to rub so much: for 20 seconds or more, to make a lot of foam).  By dissolving the fat layer, the protein molecule disperses and breaks down on its own.

 * HEAT melts fat;  this is why it is so good to use water above 25 degrees Celsius for washing hands, clothes and everything.  In addition, hot water makes more foam and that makes it even more useful.

 * Alcohol or any mixture with alcohol over 65% DISSOLVES ANY FAT, especially the external lipid layer of the virus.

 * Any mix with 1 part bleach and 5 parts water directly dissolves the protein, breaks it down from the inside.

 * Oxygenated water helps long after soap, alcohol and chlorine, because peroxide dissolves the virus protein, but you have to use it pure and it hurts your skin.

 * NO BACTERICIDE works.  The virus is not a living organism like bacteria;  they cannot kill what is not alive with anthobiotics, but quickly disintegrate its structure with everything said.

 * NEVER shake used or unused clothing, sheets or cloth.  While it is glued to a porous surface, it is very inert and disintegrates only between 3 hours (fabric and porous), 4 hours (copper, because it is naturally antiseptic; and wood, because it removes all the moisture and does not let it peel off and disintegrates).  ), 24 hours (cardboard), 42 hours (metal) and 72 hours (plastic).  But if you shake it or use a feather duster, the virus molecules float in the air for up to 3 hours, and can lodge in your nose.

 * The virus molecules remain very stable in external cold, or artificial as air conditioners in houses and cars.  They also need moisture to stay stable, and especially darkness.  Therefore, dehumidified, dry, warm and bright environments will degrade it faster.

 * UV LIGHT on any object that may contain it breaks down the virus protein.  For example, to disinfect and reuse a mask is perfect.  Be careful, it also breaks down collagen (which is protein) in the skin, eventually causing wrinkles and skin cancer.

 * The virus CANNOT go through healthy skin.

 * Vinegar is NOT useful because it does not break down the protective layer of fat.

 * NO SPIRITS  work.  The strongest vodka is 40% alcohol, and you need 65%.

 * The more confined the space, the more concentration of the virus there can be.  The more open or naturally ventilated, the less.

 * This is super said, but you have to wash your hands before and after touching mucosa, food, locks, knobs, switches, remote control, cell phone, watches, computers, desks, TV, etc.  And when using the bathroom.

 * You have to HUMIDIFY HANDS DRY from so much washing them, because the molecules can hide in the micro cracks.  The thicker the moisturizer, the better.  

* Also keep your NAILS SHORT so that the virus does not hide there.

[drsel]

I cannot verify if all the above is true or not. 

kindly use your judgement and decide