Why I feel August will be the real restart date.

[Paul Bogle]

2 minutes ago, seaman11 said:

what is your thinking of when they will start up? Since its not 2021 or aug/sept. 

 

I have expressed many thought on this. I have commented specifically on this thread about this. 

 

I guess number two explains your behavior best.

[seaman11]

4 minutes ago, Paul Bogle said:

 

I have expressed many thought on this. I have commented specifically on this thread about this. 

 

I guess number two explains your behavior best.

I find your act of hostility shallow and pedantic , good day to you sir. 

[Paul Bogle]

15 minutes ago, seaman11 said:

I find your act of hostility shallow and pedantic , good day to you sir. 

 

and good day to you.

[hftmrock]

1 hour ago, tonit964 said:

He believes that cruises are going to start up sooner rather than later. I don't get why some are continuing to argue with him. He's made up his mind and that's fine. It doesn't effect anyone else, that's all I'm saying.

 

I actually feel bad for Seaman11 and I have been involved in this debate but the issue is not only one way.

 

Seaman said:

• anyone who disagreed with him became 'doom and gloom' people
• He told all of us to 'take if from this old sailor' that he is right
• expecting an apology if someone was wrong about the date

I respect his opinion and I TRULY hope he is right like I hoped he was right before.

 

But when he attacks others opinion, he leaves himself open to attacks as well

 

I apologize to Seaman11 if I have attacked him but for the most part I tried to show him my point of view which in some cases , he attacked and called me doom and gloom (which I am not)

[seaman11]

2 hours ago, hftmrock said:

 

I actually feel bad for Seaman11 and I have been involved in this debate but the issue is not only one way.

 

Seaman said:

• anyone who disagreed with him became 'doom and gloom' people
• He told all of us to 'take if from this old sailor' that he is right
• expecting an apology if someone was wrong about the date

I respect his opinion and I TRULY hope he is right like I hoped he was right before.

 

But when he attacks others opinion, he leaves himself open to attacks as well

 

I apologize to Seaman11 if I have attacked him but for the most part I tried to show him my point of view which in some cases , he attacked and called me doom and gloom (which I am not)

I dont mean it as a person insult im sorry , when i say some are being doom and gloom over this covid situation.  some maybe not you have been very negative about it and future cruising in general. its as if some bought into vilifying the cruise industry, which i think is unfair,. 

 

also some cant see themselves cruising for a year, so any one that wants to cruise sooner rather than later is a "fool" "troll" "dreamer"ect. i have been called by some those things. 

[hftmrock]

1 minute ago, seaman11 said:

 

 

also some cant see themselves cruising for a year, so any one that wants to cruise sooner rather than later is a "fool" "troll" "dreamer"ect. i have been called by some those things. 

I did say it was both ways (I agree you have been attacked). We should all post our opinions without 'Calling' anyone anything (Doom and gloom, fool, troll, etc... ) .. we can all have differences of opinion and share them and even debate them without calling anyone anything

[seaman11]

2 minutes ago, hftmrock said:

I did say it was both ways (I agree you have been attacked). We should all post our opinions without 'Calling' anyone anything (Doom and gloom, fool, troll, etc... ) .. we can all have differences of opinion and share them and even debate them without calling anyone anything

when i say doom and gloom i am not calling someone a name, lol  i am saying that person is being negative. they are being or acting all doom and gloom.  i didnt mean it as an adjective. 

[hftmrock]

4 minutes ago, seaman11 said:

when i say doom and gloom i am not calling someone a name, lol  i am saying that person is being negative. they are being or acting all doom and gloom.  i didnt mean it as an adjective. 

I said that the CDC will stick with their 100 day enforcement because I didnt see a way they would change it and you called me doom and gloom . I was NOT being negative. I was being realistic and voicing a realistic opinion

 

that doesnt make me doom and gloom no matter how you show it.

 

if people disagreed with you, they were doom and gloom... that is no the case. I am optimistic NCL will sail this year. I am not optimistic it will happen until later august at the earliest. I was not doom and gloom that I thought the CDC would keep the 100 day order. That doesnt make me doom and gloom.

 

someone said that it wont open until labor day... you asked him if he would apologize if hes wrong..

 

Cant we just voice our opinion and debate or agree on the situation without framing the people as anything

Edited May 10, 2020 by hftmrock

[seaman11]

1 minute ago, hftmrock said:

I said that the CDC will stick with their 100 day enforcement because I didnt see a way they would change it and you called me doom and gloom . I was NOT being negative. I was being realistic and voicing a realistic opinion

 

that doesnt make me doom and gloom no matter how you show it.

 

if people disagreed with you, they were doom and gloom... that is no the case. I am optimistic NCL will sail this year. I am not optimistic it will happen until later august at the earliest. I was not doom and gloom that I thought the CDC would keep the 100 day order. That doesnt make me doom and gloom.

then i apologize, you were correct.  i was dealing with many at the same time telling me cruises wont start till 2021 , or they will all go out of business and other negative stuff. 

[hftmrock]

1 minute ago, seaman11 said:

then i apologize, you were correct.  i was dealing with many at the same time telling me cruises wont start till 2021 , or they will all go out of business and other negative stuff. 

 

not looking for an apology.. just lets realize it went too far (on both sides in my opinion) and lets move forward with a healthy debate

 

its all good my friend.

[Paul Bogle]

15 minutes ago, hftmrock said:

 

not looking for an apology.. just lets realize it went too far (on both sides in my opinion) and lets move forward with a healthy debate

 

its all good my friend.

 

My feelings exactly

[datolim]

3 hours ago, seaman11 said:

then i apologize, you were correct.  i was dealing with many at the same time telling me cruises wont start till 2021 , or they will all go out of business and other negative stuff. 

You are a two timer.

You post the same thread on the Carnival forum.

[seaman11]

16 hours ago, datolim said:

You are a two timer.

You post the same thread on the Carnival forum.

well sort of, different video link.  But i feel Carnival is more prepared to start sooner than the other lines. 

[Mrdodgy]

45 minutes ago, seaman11 said:

well sort of, different video link.  But i feel Carnival is more prepared to start sooner than the other lines. 

They have created an illusion to keep your money and you have fallen for it.

 

They are not prepared at all -  HAL who are owned by Carnival group are not sailing and neither will the Carnival ships in August. There is no where to go!! 

Edited May 11, 2020 by Mrdodgy

[seaman11]

3 minutes ago, Mrdodgy said:

They have created an illusion to keep your money and you have fallen for it.

 

They are not prepared at all -  HAL who are owned by Carnival group are not sailing and neither will the Carnival ships in August. There is no where to go!! 

they can go to the bahamas and their own private island for starters, but i think in 3 months many ports in the caribbean will be ready and welcome the tourism dollars . 

[seaman11]

On 5/10/2020 at 9:34 AM, graphicguy said:

Why chastise @seaman11?  That’s just mean.  He’s looking to take a cruise.  I am, too.  Whenever there’s any good news (like Carnival restarting and NCL planning to sail in Q3), some try to throw cold water on it.

 

If you don’t want to cruise, don’t.  I get it.  I’m not afraid of this thing.  I can’t live my life afraid.  

 

Not sure why that concerns anyone else.

thx, check this out , Atlantic city opening back up june first. now if beaches and casinos are open by june, then why cant a few cruises go 2 months later? 

 

https://www.cardschat.com/news/atlantic-city-hotel-casinos-reservations-90181

[Mrdodgy]

10 hours ago, seaman11 said:

they can go to the bahamas and their own private island for starters, but i think in 3 months many ports in the caribbean will be ready and welcome the tourism dollars . 

You need to look at each Caribbean island the closet one allowing for a short cruise are all closed until 1 September nd the Bahamas?  That is closed 

 

I get it you want to cruise but the island do not want cruisers until the risk of Covid is reduced to almost NIL.

 

Atlantic city is NOT opening up - this is an article from a paper that feeds of the casinos and poker and has no revenue. If you go to the individual Hotel Websites they  are suspended and not taking bookings. This article is simply written to help the consolidators get some money in. Honestly if you were in the industry you would realise why each date you guess for a start is not feasible. The article is pure speculation.

9 hours ago, seaman11 said:

thx, check this out , Atlantic city opening back up june first. now if beaches and casinos are open by june, then why cant a few cruises go 2 months later? 

 

https://www.cardschat.com/news/atlantic-city-hotel-casinos-reservations-90181

 

You have not  yet explained where the cruise lines will get the crews from. Consistently form informed position it has been told to you the logistical problem. Opening the beaches and Atlantic city does not really bother  the countries the crew are from. Their are no flights and no operations to support the cruise lines. 

Edited May 12, 2020 by Mrdodgy

[seaman11]

8 minutes ago, Mrdodgy said:

You need to look at each Caribbean island the closet one allowing for a short cruise are all closed until 1 September nd the Bahamas?  That is closed 

 

I get it you want to cruise but the island do not want cruisers until the risk of Covid is reduced to almost NIL.

 

Atlantic city is NOT opening up - this is an article from a paper that feeds of the casinos and poker and has no revenue. If you go to the individual Hotel Websites they  are suspended and not taking bookings. This article is simply written to help the consolidators get some money in. Honestly if you were in the industry you would realise why each date you guess for a start is not feasible. The article is pure speculation.

 

You have not  yet explained where the cruise lines will get the crews from. Consistently form informed position it has been told to you the logistical problem. Opening the beaches and Atlantic city does not really bother  the countries the crew are from. Their are no flights and no operations to support the cruise lines. 

thats odd because i phoned up harrahs AC and booked for june 8th, no problem.  now the governor could extend stay at home, thats true, but the article is not just speculating.  they plan to reopen by june 1st. 

 

as for crew august is 3 months away almost, they have plenty of time once airports and ports fully reopen to get crew on board and will not need a full crew since they plan to limit pax onboard.  crew is the least of the problems,. imo there are im sure tons ready to work by august. 

Edited May 12, 2020 by seaman11

[datolim]

2 hours ago, seaman11 said:

thats odd because i phoned up harrahs AC and booked for june 8th, no problem.  now the governor could extend stay at home, thats true, but the article is not just speculating.  they plan to reopen by june 1st. 

 

as for crew august is 3 months away almost, they have plenty of time once airports and ports fully reopen to get crew on board and will not need a full crew since they plan to limit pax onboard.  crew is the least of the problems,. imo there are im sure tons ready to work by august. 

No, No, No. The crew from the third world countries like Philippines, Indonesia and India are all under lockdown in their own countries. No flight can land or takeoff. There are 18 cruise ships anchored off Manila for the past few weeks and their own nationals are not allowed to disembark and return home to their families.

 

P.S. Just counted again. It is now 25 and not 18.

Edited May 12, 2020 by datolim
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[Mrdodgy]

16 hours ago, seaman11 said:

thats odd because i phoned up harrahs AC and booked for june 8th, no problem.  now the governor could extend stay at home, thats true, but the article is not just speculating.  they plan to reopen by june 1st. 

 

as for crew august is 3 months away almost, they have plenty of time once airports and ports fully reopen to get crew on board and will not need a full crew since they plan to limit pax onboard.  crew is the least of the problems,. imo there are im sure tons ready to work by august. 

Er no its not  odd at all  - just checked on line and they say its a plan no guarantee. NCL took bookings for cruises that were ultimately cancelled as are the hotels - need the cash!

 

Just to finish off  crewing agencies  confirm my information. Crew is a massive issue to all lines and if AC was open I would place a bet your cruise will not operate. Where on earth do you think the crew are coming from!!!  There are so many crew that are still not home that they just do not have the numbers. oh and strangely unlike you the crew are scared as they are the main breadwinners in a lot of  cases and are not prepared to risk their lives. I know you think otherwise but that is your view and I know you will not change. Time will tell one of us correct and the other wrong.

 

Any way its the senior crew that are not available and your still need a management team for even a few passengers 

 

You have now guessed  at least 3 months with various degrees of certainty and all  been wrong - August will be you 4th guess. 

 

oh and you forget CDC could well extend the no sail order

 

All you arguments are about how far away we are and they are flawed. What airports are going to be open - and why does 3 months make any difference to this virus. Look at the stats

[seaman11]

32 minutes ago, Mrdodgy said:

Er no its not  odd at all  - just checked on line and they say its a plan no guarantee. NCL took bookings for cruises that were ultimately cancelled as are the hotels - need the cash!

 

Just to finish off  crewing agencies  confirm my information. Crew is a massive issue to all lines and if AC was open I would place a bet your cruise will not operate. Where on earth do you think the crew are coming from!!!  There are so many crew that are still not home that they just do not have the numbers. oh and strangely unlike you the crew are scared as they are the main breadwinners in a lot of  cases and are not prepared to risk their lives. I know you think otherwise but that is your view and I know you will not change. Time will tell one of us correct and the other wrong.

 

Any way its the senior crew that are not available and your still need a management team for even a few passengers 

 

You have now guessed  at least 3 months with various degrees of certainty and all  been wrong - August will be you 4th guess. 

 

oh and you forget CDC could well extend the no sail order

 

All you arguments are about how far away we are and they are flawed. What airports are going to be open - and why does 3 months make any difference to this virus. Look at the stats

I get comped rooms , so money taken, that is there plan. to open june 1st. we will see if the governor pushes it back or not.  where i live gyms will be open by friday. 

 

what makes you think things will remain shut 3 months from now?  you said it makes not difference to the virus , well it could.  as numbers decline things will open up.  you dont expect things shut for a year do you? the economy will collapse. 

 

 

as for crew that is the least of there worries airports are open not sure you realize that, and once some ports open in a few months getting crew to come onboard ready to earn wont be an issue imo.  plenty will be ready to work.   they had an issue getting some off with closed docks and restrictions, on boarding new crew once things are fully open will not be so much of issue. 

[mugtech]

8 minutes ago, seaman11 said:

as for crew that is the least of there worries airports are open not sure you realize that, and once some ports open in a few months getting crew to come onboard ready to earn wont be an issue imo.  plenty will be ready to work.   they had an issue getting some off with closed docks and restrictions, on boarding new crew once things are fully open will not be so much of issue. 

In the Philippines only citizens flying back to their home countries are taking special planes at twice the normal rates out of NAIA in Manila, all handled by Philippine Airlines.  The only people who can fly into Manila from other islands must have a ticket out of the country, cannot land in Manila until 24 hours or less before their flight.  The ships sitting in Manila Bay must quarantine for 14 days, then the Filipinos must quarantine for another 14 days in designated hotels at the port before being allowed to leave.  Had a niece who travelled out here to the province of Ilocos Sur from Manila and she had to quarantine for 14 days in a school in Santa once she arrived.

[seaman11]

10 minutes ago, mugtech said:

In the Philippines only citizens flying back to their home countries are taking special planes at twice the normal rates out of NAIA in Manila, all handled by Philippine Airlines.  The only people who can fly into Manila from other islands must have a ticket out of the country, cannot land in Manila until 24 hours or less before their flight.  The ships sitting in Manila Bay must quarantine for 14 days, then the Filipinos must quarantine for another 14 days in designated hotels at the port before being allowed to leave.  Had a niece who travelled out here to the province of Ilocos Sur from Manila and she had to quarantine for 14 days in a school in Santa once she arrived.

thats interesting , as i said getting off the ship and back home is the biggest problem . not getting crew by august . 

[Charles4515]

In my opinion Carnival has priced those August cruises so low because they know they probably won’t happen. They are laying off shore staff like crazy and firing top executives. Hardly the actions of a company preparing to restart soon. If they did happen they would lose more money than if they canceled them. Most of the August bookings are probably credits from previous cancellations. Those they dupe to book new with the low prices will move their credits to later sailings when they are canceled and Carnival holds onto the money. When cruising actually does restart the price will be a lot higher. Those vouchers will be such a minimal percentage of the fares that many will never use them.

 

I have to look up the definition of Ponzi scheme but if what they are doing is not exactly that it sure looks like it might be a slick trick.

 

 

 

 

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[pcakes122]

Just want to point something out that I have not seen mentioned.  You can't equate reopening of larger gatherings on land with cruises when it comes to Covid-19.

 

Sharing from the perspective of someone who has recovered from Covid-19, should you contract this virus from a casino or a concert or other gathering on land, you have easy access to technologically advanced medical treatment and providers. This is what would likely save your life.

 

Should an outbreak occur on a cruise ship where there is only 1 emergency doctor with limited equipment, medicine and support, your chances of survival are drastically reduced. Covid-19 affects your respiratory system and time is of the essence when it comes to treatment.

 

Maybe you would do okay if you were the only passenger out of 3000 who contracted the virus, but that's not how this virus works. If one person has it, you can be sure there are plenty more.

 

So it's really not equivalent to talk about reopening on land versus cruising - especially if you are in the more vulnerable categories.

 

Just some food for thought.