It's OK to go without a mask indoors, or outdoors, if you have been vaccinated against Covid-19, the CDC says

[bcummin]

Our granddaughter sick with COVID right now found out that it is a mighty big deal.  She is home, but totally miserable and regretting that she did not get around to getting vaccinated.

Barbara 

[ontheweb]

57 minutes ago, bcummin said:

Our granddaughter sick with COVID right now found out that it is a mighty big deal.  She is home, but totally miserable and regretting that she did not get around to getting vaccinated.

Barbara 

Hoping she recovers soon. And afterwards gets her vaccinations.

 

I was going to give a like, but was afraid that it would be interpreted as I like your granddaughter getting sick instead of liking how you replied to the previous poster.

[Storylady]

23 hours ago, LAFFNVEGAS said:

I had a bit of change of my mind last night when some new information came to light. Here in Las Vegas many of the casinos were giving incentives for employees to get vaccinated, For the month of May casino capacity was limited to 80% unless the casino could get employees fully vaccinated to 80% then once that hit 80% they could go to 100%+ occupancy. Many casinos have reached the 100%.

With the new remove mask if you are vaccinated the casinos and many employers are stating that with proof the employees are vaccinated they now can work without masks but those that cannot prove being fully vaccinated they must continue to be masked.

Many of the places hiring are requiring proof of vaccination. Maybe the CDC did know what they were doing after all. This will basically shame those not vaccinated to get vaccinated which will bring those percentages up.

If this happens I say "Well Played CDC"

Maybe the whole cruise ship industry should require vaccination to sail. Carnival and other ships with loads of small children should also require vaccination for everyone except those too young to receive vaccination.

[bcummin]

59 minutes ago, ontheweb said:

Hoping she recovers soon. And afterwards gets her vaccinations.

I was going to give a like, but was afraid that it would be interpreted as I like your granddaughter getting sick instead of liking how you replied to the previous poster.

Thank you for your thoughtful concern.  Our repentant granddaughter is slowly improving so far.

Some people are slow learners.

Barbara

[mightycruisequeen]

1 minute ago, Laminator said:

When my wife became a pharmacist there were 200 main drugs that she had to concern herself with. Many of those drugs are not even utilized any more. There are thousands of drugs on the market today. Even though they may have received FDA approval there is no way the truly long term side effects can be known. If you have taken any of these newer medications, which chances are you have, you are already a lab rat. 

I wholeheartedly agree with you.  There's just about nothing that the pharmacist can prescribe that doesn't have risks, and I'd much rather let my immune system do its job naturally.

[Laminator]

Just now, mightycruisequeen said:

I wholeheartedly agree with you.  There's just about nothing that the pharmacist can prescribe that doesn't have risks, and I'd much rather let my immune system do its job naturally.

That is absolutely fine with me. And that is what you should have stated instead of referring to those of us who have been vaccinated as lab rats. 

 

[ontheweb]

50 minutes ago, bcummin said:

Thank you for your thoughtful concern.  Our repentant granddaughter is slowly improving so far.

Some people are slow learners.

Barbara

I hope she also convinces any of her friends who think I am young and it can't happen to me not to risk suffering the same things she is going through.

[ontheweb]

7 minutes ago, nocl said:

At the time the polio vaccine was developed the modern review and approval process for vaccines did not exist.  There is no comparison between the pre-clinical and clinical testing that takes place today.

And some people can't comprehend that science makes progress.

 

I read somewhere (sorry no cite) that Jonas Salk tested his vaccine on himself. That's a far cry from what the FDA now requires for their approval.

[Laminator]

Just now, ontheweb said:

And some people can't comprehend that science makes progress.

 

I read somewhere (sorry no cite) that Jonas Salk tested his vaccine on himself. That's a far cry from what the FDA now requires for their approval.

He was the first one to take his vaccine.

[CruiserBruce]

50 minutes ago, mightycruisequeen said:

Sure, what could go wrong with the Covid vaccine, since people were so grateful for the polio vaccine?   Speaking of polio vaccine... 

 

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-09-01/warp-speed-vaccine-manufacturing-sickened-40-000-kids-with-polio-in-the-1950s

 

You will note a couple of issues that make the polio vaccine story really not a good comparison. First, it was a manufacturing error putting live virus in the doses. Using live disease is very rarely done any more,  and it is not being done in the Covid vaccines. I imagine a few other technological advancements have taken place since the early 1950s.

[nocl]

8 minutes ago, ontheweb said:

And some people can't comprehend that science makes progress.

 

I read somewhere (sorry no cite) that Jonas Salk tested his vaccine on himself. That's a far cry from what the FDA now requires for their approval.

While he did tests the problem was not with the his vaccine.  The problem is that the manufacturer did not follow the correct process in manufacturing the vaccine and 120,000 contaminated doses were released.  

[mightycruisequeen]

4 minutes ago, nocl said:

While he did tests the problem was not with the his vaccine.  The problem is that the manufacturer did not follow the correct process in manufacturing the vaccine and 120,000 contaminated doses were released.  

Yes, exactly.  And there are several other vaccines that were problematic:   https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/concerns-history.html

[Laminator]

3 minutes ago, mightycruisequeen said:

Yes, exactly.  And there are several other vaccines that were problematic:   https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/concerns-history.html

Did you read the issues in the link you provided?

 

[mightycruisequeen]

Yes.

 

[nocl]

4 minutes ago, mightycruisequeen said:

Yes, exactly.  And there are several other vaccines that were problematic:   https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/concerns-history.html

However, even in most of those listed about potential concerns they were not found to have a link to the vaccine. If anything the list shows how safe vaccines have become with most cases being recalls due to potential concerns, concerns raised because of very low level signals that in most cases did not hold up to investigation of the data.  

 

Even the GBS relationship to Swine Flu vaccine is tenuous at best with different analysis drawing different conclusions .  After all when you have an illness that normally has an incidence rate of 6-7 per million per year and the concern is that the vaccine raises it by maybe 1 case per million per year. It is easy to see why there is no firm conclusion only an potential indication.

 

The only one in the last 30 years that actually was link to the vaccine was the Rotavirus vaccine in 1998-99.

[CruiserBruce]

10 minutes ago, Laminator said:

Did you read the issues in the link you provided?

 

You mean the very first sentence that says the benefits of vaccines far outweigh the risks?

[nocl]

9 minutes ago, Laminator said:

Did you read the issues in the link you provided?

 

Considering that the only one in the past 30 years that really identified a safety issue with the vaccine was the Rotavirus  for infants.

 

The recalls performed, without there being an impact on patients actually demonstrate the safety of the modern system

[Laminator]

1 minute ago, CruiserBruce said:

You mean the very first sentence that says the benefits of vaccines far out weight the risks?

That...plus the information on each of the so called issues!

[mightycruisequeen]

4 minutes ago, CruiserBruce said:

You mean the very first sentence that says the benefits of vaccines far outweigh the risks?

...along with the rest of it, that lays out the concerns about each vaccine, and the numbers of issues with contamination, etc.

[ontheweb]

12 hours ago, nocl said:

While he did tests the problem was not with the his vaccine.  The problem is that the manufacturer did not follow the correct process in manufacturing the vaccine and 120,000 contaminated doses were released.  

And it is safe to say that there are more safeguards now. When a factory producing the Johnson & Johnson vaccine was found to have problems, the vaccine produced there did not go into anyone's arms.

[TriumphGuy]

This 67 year old was proud to be a "lab rat" for the Covid vaccine.

My parents (since passed) were research scientists at Johns Hopkins, U of Illinois, Northwestern Medical School, The NIH, Marine Biological Laboratories. I witnessed what they went through to get results published and peer reviewed.
While these vaccines have been developed in a shorter time frame than most, I have no doubt that proper safeguards were utilized and prioritized as a baseline for vaccine development. Had those safeguards not been able to be met for the vast majority of the population, the current vaccines would never have been developed.

 

 

[terrydtx]

12 minutes ago, Crazy For Cats said:

I have a sister who is referring anyone who takes the vaccine as lab rats.  I find this insulting and for that reason decline to answer her questions on whether or not I’m getting the vaccine.  I did get my second dose this past Thursday and have not posted that publicly, other than CC, primarily fro avoid her negativity.  She even publicly tried to shame her husband for getting vaccinated.  I find this behavior totally unacceptable.

I agree, I have several friends who are too much like your sister and I guess the remote chance one could get the virus and die is not enough incentive to get vaccinated. My two sisters are habitual anti-vaccers, however they both like me are over 65 and want to cruise again, so they  got fully vaccinated  in March.

[terrydtx]

3 minutes ago, TriumphGuy said:

This 67 year old was proud to be a "lab rat" for the Covid vaccine.

My parents (since passed) were research scientists at Johns Hopkins, U of Illinois, Northwestern Medical School, The NIH, Marine Biological Laboratories. I witnessed what they went through to get results published and peer reviewed.
While these vaccines have been developed in a shorter time frame than most, I have no doubt that proper safeguards were utilized and prioritized as a baseline for vaccine development. Had those safeguards not been able to be met for the vast majority of the population, the current vaccines would never have been developed.

 

 

Thank you for being a fellow Lab Rat and your insight on this post.

[Stateroom_Sailor]

On 5/14/2021 at 1:37 PM, LAFFNVEGAS said:

I had a bit of change of my mind last night when some new information came to light. Here in Las Vegas many of the casinos were giving incentives for employees to get vaccinated, For the month of May casino capacity was limited to 80% unless the casino could get employees fully vaccinated to 80% then once that hit 80% they could go to 100%+ occupancy. Many casinos have reached the 100%.

With the new remove mask if you are vaccinated the casinos and many employers are stating that with proof the employees are vaccinated they now can work without masks but those that cannot prove being fully vaccinated they must continue to be masked.

Many of the places hiring are requiring proof of vaccination. Maybe the CDC did know what they were doing after all. This will basically shame those not vaccinated to get vaccinated which will bring those percentages up.

If this happens I say "Well Played CDC"

 

The CDC is having trouble getting their own employees vaccinated.  I guess there's more science denying scientists, then science denying blackjack dealers.

 

 

[mightycruisequeen]

34 minutes ago, Stateroom_Sailor said:

 

The CDC is having trouble getting their own employees vaccinated.  I guess there's more science denying scientists, then science denying blackjack dealers.

 

 

Oh my gosh!  ANTI-VAX VAXXERS??? 💉😆