Covid on Adventure

[Babr]

4 minutes ago, coffeebean said:

Is Royal paying for the family's transportation home? Who pays for transportation home if it were un-vaxxed adults who tested positive? How does that work?

Yes, they will being doing that until Oct. 31, but is conditioned on following policies in place at the time. See the Covid Assistance Policy on The Healthy Sail Center page of the Royal website.

[coffeebean]

17 hours ago, BirdTravels said:

I would add that 100% of the passengers had to show up for the cruise with a negative PCR test no older than 5 days. 

Oh.....so the un-vaxxed were NOT tested just before they boarded the ship?

 

IMHO.....boarding with a negative PCR test that could have been done as much as 5 days prior to boarding is not a very good indicator to board un-vaxxed people. Those tests results only are for that moment in time that the person was tested. Anyone can contract that virus anytime in that 5 days prior to boarding. It is just not a good enough barometer to allow un-vaxxed people to board the ship.

 

Again, my opinion, of course.

[BirdTravels]

11 minutes ago, coffeebean said:

Wasn't this a 95% vaccinated cruise? If it was, then no one had to wear a mask anywhere on the ship. Isn't that correct? Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Nope. Incorrect.  100% of the vaccine-eligible passengers had to be vaccinated. And masks were optional for vaccinated passengers (a few still wore masks the whole cruise, some wore masks in crowded locations like the casino). Last week's cruise was about 94% vaccinated. This week's cruise was about 92% vaccinated. Each embarkation port has a set of protocols which everyone agrees to:

https://www.royalcaribbean.com/the-healthy-sail-center

 

 

Unvaccinated Guests

• Outdoors: Masks are not required in open-air areas onboard the ship or at Perfect Day at CocoCay unless you are in a crowded setting. Masks are not permitted in the pool or for any activity where they could become wet.
• Indoors: Masks must be worn in all indoor public spaces onboard the ship unless seated and actively eating or drinking. Masks are not required in your stateroom as long as you are with your own travel party.

Edited June 25, 2021 by BirdTravels

[mauraoel]

6 minutes ago, coffeebean said:

Oh.....so the un-vaxxed were NOT tested just before they boarded the ship?

 

IMHO.....boarding with a negative PCR test that could have been done as much as 5 days prior to boarding is not a very good indicator to board un-vaxxed people. Those tests results only are for that moment in time that the person was tested. Anyone can contract that virus anytime in that 5 days prior to boarding. It is just not a good enough barometer to allow un-vaxxed people to board the ship.

 

Again, my opinion, of course.

Yes they were...

 

Testing Requirement
Unvaccinated guests need to meet these testing requirements to enter The Bahamas and board the ship.

1. All guests age 2 and older will need to take a PCR test for COVID-19 no more than 5 days before arriving in The Bahamas and present a printed copy of their negative result at the check-in hotel. Guests age 12 and older will also need to submit their negative test result as part of the Bahamas Health Visa online application process, and again in person upon arriving at Lynden Pindling International Airport (NAS). Costs associated with this test are the guests' responsibility.
2. On boarding day, guests will take a complimentary COVID-19 test at the British Colonial Hilton Nassau, where check-in for the cruise will take place. Registration details will be sent prior to sailing.
3. A final complimentary COVID-19 test will take place on Day 5 or 6 onboard. This result is required for re-entry into The Bahamas and can also be used for re-entry into your home country if needed. Additional details will be provided onboard.

Guests under 2 years of age will not be tested.

[kearney]

4 minutes ago, BirdTravels said:

Nope. Incorrect.  100% of the vaccine-eligible passengers had to be vaccinated. Last week's cruise was about 94% vaccinated. This week's cruise was about 92% vaccinated. Each embarkation port has a set of protocols which everyone agrees to:

https://www.royalcaribbean.com/the-healthy-sail-center

 

 

Unvaccinated Guests

• Outdoors: Masks are not required in open-air areas onboard the ship or at Perfect Day at CocoCay unless you are in a crowded setting. Masks are not permitted in the pool or for any activity where they could become wet.
• Indoors: Masks must be worn in all indoor public spaces onboard the ship unless seated and actively eating or drinking. Masks are not required in your stateroom as long as you are with your own travel party.

Thanks for this info... it helps to explain why Royal has a hard time meeeting the 95%... they have so many families that even if all adults or over 16 ..in this case... they still have a lot of children

[asalligo]

48 minutes ago, harkinmr said:

That is inaccurate. Deleted the stats. Please read the link. There is little or no chance that a fully vaccinated cruiser is going to die from being infected with COVID on a cruise ship.  
 

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html

 

 

 

We will see who is right. I lay my money on someone fully vaccinated dying from an infection on a cruise soon. Will you then say they must not have been fully vaccinated? 

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/25/covid-breakthrough-cases-cdc-says-more-than-4100-people-have-been-hospitalized-or-died-after-vaccination.html

[spooky981]

With 6000 passengers there's going to be COVID on every ship. But now that I'm vaccinated I am far more concerned about incidences of Flu or Norovirus on these ships. Those will **** you up.

[Jimbo]

20 minutes ago, BirdTravels said:

 

Unvaccinated Guests

• Outdoors: Masks are not required in open-air areas onboard the ship or at Perfect Day at CocoCay unless you are in a crowded setting. Masks are not permitted in the pool or for any activity where they could become wet.
• Indoors: Masks must be worn in all indoor public spaces onboard the ship unless seated and actively eating or drinking. Masks are not required in your stateroom as long as you are with your own travel party.

Just so people are aware, the above mask rule is for sailings out of The Bahamas

 

For sailings out of Florida this is the Mask Rule:

Face Masks
Vaccinated and unvaccinated guests are required to wear masks indoors unless seated and actively eating or drinking. Masks are not required in your stateroom, when you are with your traveling party, outdoors, or at Perfect Day at CocoCay, unless in a crowded setting.

Masks won’t be required for vaccinated guests when in venues (bars, lounges, restaurants and entertainment) or at events designated for vaccinated guests only.

In the coming days, we are expecting updated guidance from the CDC on mask policies for vaccinated guests and will update you at that time.

Guests under the age of 2 do not need to wear a mask.

[smokeybandit]

18 hours ago, ticketsunlimited said:

Great numbers.  Only 2 passengers.  Both unvaccinated but the vaccinated passengers with them were negative.  Such a great example of the power of the vaccinations.

It really has saved the cruise industry.  Numbers came out for May Covid  deaths 18,000 unfortunate souls. 150 out of the 18,000 deaths were breakthrough vaccinated people. We are definately headed in the right direction. .8% of Covid deaths are vaccinated the rest are unvaccinated.

 

Only 600 people who have been vaccinated have died of covid since the CDC started tracking. Out of 150 million people being vaccinated. The large majority are elderly. CDC doesn't report comorbidities for breakthrough case deaths, but I'm sure nearly all had contributing comorbidities.

[coffeebean]

17 hours ago, BirdTravels said:

 

Last week, the protocols for unvaccinated passengers were not followed. Unvaccinated passengers were openly disregarding masking requirements despite repeated public reminders. The crew were not ready to enforce those rules. Since the kids congregate together, the symptomatic kid could have passed the virus along to his friends who could become covid-positive by the time they are flying back home. 

But..... aren't these cruises on the Adventure 95% vaccinated cruises? To my understanding, those cruises do not have different protocols for the un-vaxxed. No one has to wear masks on a 95/100% vaxxed cruise. Right?

[mauraoel]

2 minutes ago, Jimbo said:

Just so people are aware, the above mask rule is for sailings out of The Bahamas

 

For sailings out of Florida this is the Mask Rule:

Face Masks
Vaccinated and unvaccinated guests are required to wear masks indoors unless seated and actively eating or drinking. Masks are not required in your stateroom, when you are with your traveling party, outdoors, or at Perfect Day at CocoCay, unless in a crowded setting.

Masks won’t be required for vaccinated guests when in venues (bars, lounges, restaurants and entertainment) or at events designated for vaccinated guests only.

In the coming days, we are expecting updated guidance from the CDC on mask policies for vaccinated guests and will update you at that time.

Guests under the age of 2 do not need to wear a mask.

I don't mean to be rude but... You can bold it all you want the grammar isn't there and it doesn't mean what you are saying it means.

[Jimbo]

1 minute ago, mauraoel said:

I don't mean to be rude but... You can bold it all you want the grammar isn't there and it doesn't mean what you are saying it means.

Taken right off the Royal Caribbean site, not my grammar..................it means what it means.

 

What it means, if you are sailing out of Florida, Bring your mask, vaccinated and unvaccinated.

 

Edited June 25, 2021 by Jimbo

[mauraoel]

2 minutes ago, coffeebean said:

But..... aren't these cruises on the Adventure 95% vaccinated cruises? To my understanding, those cruises do not have different protocols for the un-vaxxed. No one has to wear masks on a 95/100% vaxxed cruise. Right?

No the Un-Vaccinated always had to wear masked it's just the vaxxed that didn't have to.  

 

And just an FYI last weeks cruise was 94% vaxxed and this weeks is 92% vaxxed.

[Ocean Boy]

6 hours ago, Goodtime Cruizin said:

The only way to find covid immediately is to test pre-board and then every single day.

How many of y'all want to go on a cruise so badly that you are willing to test daily for covid?

Be careful what you ask, we already have one who is ready to wear a hazmat suit if necessary.

[coffeebean]

15 hours ago, Susanb10567 said:

That’s disappointing that protocols for unvaccinated passengers were not being followed. You would think at the beginning they would have been on top of it. 

What are the protocols for un-vaxxed passengers on these Adventure sailings? How are the vaxxed identified from the un-vaxxed?

[harkinmr]

15 minutes ago, asalligo said:

We will see who is right. I lay my money on someone fully vaccinated dying from an infection on a cruise soon. Will you then say they must not have been fully vaccinated? 

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/25/covid-breakthrough-cases-cdc-says-more-than-4100-people-have-been-hospitalized-or-died-after-vaccination.html

I am aware of the number of hospitalizations/deaths.  The CDC link I included in my post is where CNBC got its data.  Out of over 150,000,000 fully vaccinated persons, there have been just over 4100 hospitalizations and about 750 deaths. There is virtually a 0% chance for any fully vaccinated person dying from COVID if infected on a cruise ship.  I will lay my money on no vaccinated cruiser even being severely ill or hospitalized, never mind dying.  Again, the best bet for any cruise line right now is to have a fully vaccinated passenger cohort.

[coffeebean]

9 hours ago, L454S said:

 

But, if you are vaxxed, why do you care???????? Why the hand wringing????? Just let it go, move on and enjoy ..........

If a vaxxed person is identified as having an exposure to a Covid positive person, that vaxxed person still has to quarantine until their test comes back negative. Isn't that the protocol for an exposed person, whether they are vaxxed or un-vaxxed?

 

THAT is the reason I would care if there are un-vaxxed people on board. I do not have a fear of contracting Covid, but do fear having to quarantine on the ship.

[forgotmyCCname]

9 hours ago, L454S said:

 

But, if you are vaxxed, why do you care???????? Why the hand wringing????? Just let it go, move on and enjoy ..........

Not sure how many times it has to be said- but the entire cruise can be canceled per Royal if a certain percentage of infected guests threshold is met. We are not afraid of catching Covid, we are afraid that the unvaxxed will acquire and spread Covid and cancel OUR cruise. Sound selfish? Don't care. It isn't.

 

Next dead horse to beat, please!!🙄

 

[forgotmyCCname]

This thread will be locked shortly. Too many Covid rule violations.

[pezruthroy]

15 minutes ago, coffeebean said:

What are the protocols for un-vaxxed passengers on these Adventure sailings? How are the vaxxed identified from the un-vaxxed?

They are under the age of 16. Those under 16 for now do not need to be vaccinated. Starting in August 12 and up have to be.  Kids are to wear masks while indoors when not eating or drinking. 

[coffeebean]

7 hours ago, Jasukkie said:

I'm an RN so from a general public health stance I care that the current protocols have a gap that could be problematic. Royal says all the close contacts of these two teens were vaccinated. Maybe that's true. Maybe they never mixed with the packs of kids onboard. A lot hangs on the definition of close contact. And yes, judging age can be difficult. I take the pre-pubescent ones with neck masks as less than 16 though. Royal has clearly instructed staff not to say boo about it. 

 

The timing of tests onboard makes it almost impossible to demonstrate passenger to passenger spread onboard. It will pick up those who already had it brewing or picked it up en route to their cruise. Fortunately for Royal, no one is being tested a week after arrival home. But big picture, these unvaxxed and unmasked kids are far more likely to just pick this up in their home lives than on a 92% vaccinated cruise.

 

I just hope parents reading this thread will have their kids be serious about mask wearing. It feels so wonderful to be cruising again but it's such a privilege. Follow the rules or delay your return to cruising.

So.....are these Adventure cruises less than 95% vaxxed? Is this why people are claiming that the un-vaxxed protocols were not enforced? I'm gobsmacked if that is actually the case.

 

All the more reason I will not cruise on any ship that is not 95/100% vaxxed. NCL is looking really good to me now with their determination to cruise OUT OF FLORIDA with 100% vaxxed passengers and crew. I'm not sure how they plan to execute that with the Florida law that prohibits requiring vaccinations and I can not wait to see how it works for NCL.

[coffeebean]

6 hours ago, smokeybandit said:

 

It's entirely likely the kids had covid prior to boarding. And it's entirely likely if they weren't on a cruise this week neither kid ever would have known they had covid.

 

The extreme stigma over a positive test has to go away or we'll never get back to normal

Who cares about the stigma? Those two kids could have transmitted that virus to others and not even know it if they had not been tested. THIS is how this damn virus does it's dirty deed. THIS is how this virus continues to find new hosts and create those nasty variants that just may avoid the vaccines we currently have. This is an ongoing problem we will always have if people are still refusing or reluctant to get themselves vaccinated.

[smokeybandit]

5 minutes ago, coffeebean said:

Who cares about the stigma? Those two kids could have transmitted that virus to others and not even know it if they had not been tested. THIS is how this damn virus does it's dirty deed. THIS is how this virus continues to find new hosts and create those nasty variants that just may avoid the vaccines we currently have. This is an ongoing problem we will always have if people are still refusing or reluctant to get themselves vaccinated.

 

That's how all viruses work.  Norovirus, flu, common colds. No big deal if someone catches one of those.

[mauraoel]

12 minutes ago, coffeebean said:

So.....are these Adventure cruises less than 95% vaxxed? Is this why people are claiming that the un-vaxxed protocols were not enforced? I'm gobsmacked if that is actually the case.

 

Yes they were less than 95% No Bird was saying that kids weren't wearing masks when she saw them around the ship, although the CC host that was on the trip too says that it was only once or twice that she saw kids without masks so IDK.

[coffeebean]

5 hours ago, smokeybandit said:

Unless you want the pandemic to last forever

The objective in all of this is to snuff out the virus, thus the pandemic will be snuffed out too. Vaccinations will allow this to occur and is the SAFE way to achieve this end result.