Banning smoking in casinos anytime soon seems unlikely

[BND]

2 minutes ago, F27TW said:

Smokers are more valuable in the casino.   They need the smokers in there.  They drink more and gamble more and  stay longer  than the tea-totaller non smokers do.     😁

They stay longer because they aren't bothered by the smoke.    Non-smokers would stay longer if there was no smoke as we observed on HOTS last fall when smoking was banned.

[edrussell]

Are there are chair hogs in the smoking section of the casino???  (couldn't help it)....

 

[F27TW]

7 minutes ago, BND said:

They stay longer because they aren't bothered by the smoke.    Non-smokers would stay longer if there was no smoke as we observed on HOTS last fall when smoking was banned.

 

To repeat the OP's first fact:   

 

From Michael Bayley:

 

"Every, I would say every couple of years, we do test this and we take one or two or three ships and we ban smoking in the casino. And the result is less people go in the casino and that's the reality of it," he explained.

 

😁

 

[yogimax]

16 minutes ago, F27TW said:

Smokers are more valuable in the casino.   They need the smokers in there.  They drink more and gamble more and  stay longer  than the tea-totaller non smokers do.     😁

Don't you see an ethical problem with that - placing corporate profit over the health and well being of cruisers and staff?

[F27TW]

2 minutes ago, yogimax said:

Don't you see an ethical problem with that - placing corporate profit over the health and well being of cruisers and staff?

 

Not at all.   You could say the same thing about serving liquor or fattening foods .. or gambling itself, for that matter.     It's up to each individual to police themselves.    And as for staff .. they know going into their jobs on board that they will be around smoking.  

Edited July 1, 2022 by F27TW

[BND]

4 minutes ago, F27TW said:

 

Not at all.   You could say the same thing about serving liquor or fattening foods .. or gambling itself, for that matter.     It's up to each individual to police themselves. 

Yes, but if I drink or eat fattening foods or lose $1,000, it doesn't impact your health at all.

Edited July 1, 2022 by BND

[F27TW]

1 minute ago, BND said:

Yes, but if I drink or eat fattening foods or lose $1,000, it doesn't impact your health at all.

 

I do think the idea of smoking and non smoking casinos should be looked into.   Granted the non smoking one should be smaller.    Seems like they could carve out space somewhere in these monster ships for a non smoking option. 

[BND]

1 minute ago, F27TW said:

 

I do think the idea of smoking and non smoking casinos should be looked into.   Granted the non smoking one should be smaller.    Seems like they could carve out space somewhere in these monster ships for a non smoking option. 

Non-smoking should be smaller when close to 90% of people don't smoke?   Finding a machine in the non-smoking section on a full ship can be impossible.

[F27TW]

Just now, BND said:

Non-smoking should be smaller when close to 90% of people don't smoke?   Finding a machine in the non-smoking section on a full ship can be impossible.

 

Yes.   Michael says so.   He agrees with me.   Bigger casino for the smokers. ☺️

[BND]

Just now, F27TW said:

 

Yes.   Michael says so.   He agrees with me.   Bigger casino for the smokers. ☺️

That is not what he said, but whatever.  

[Bxc53]

11 minutes ago, F27TW said:

 

I do think the idea of smoking and non smoking casinos should be looked into.   Granted the non smoking one should be smaller.    Seems like they could carve out space somewhere in these monster ships for a non smoking option. 

 

We encountered something like this several years ago, I think on the Sapphire Princess about 2007 or so. The casino was full on smoking, but they also had video table games, Vegas style, in one of the  non-smoking entertainment lounges. We spent a lot of time ( and $) playing, sipping adult beverages and watching the entertainment , when it was on- the lounge was available whether or not the entertainment was going. We thought this was a great idea, but haven't seen anything similar in several cruises since.

Edited July 1, 2022 by Bxc53

[lifes-a-beach]

Considering obesity kills more people than smoking, Windjammer and free ice cream is the real killer here. 

[BND]

19 minutes ago, lifes-a-beach said:

Considering obesity kills more people than smoking, Windjammer and free ice cream is the real killer here. 

Which has absolutely nothing to do with the topic.

[rudeney]

2 hours ago, the penguins said:

In which case why has he banned it on all Celebrity ships? 

 

Maybe because Celebrity charges so much more for their cruises, they don't need to supplement profits with casino revenue (same with DCL that has no casins).

[not-enough-cruising]

1 hour ago, yogimax said:

Don't you see an ethical problem with that - placing corporate profit over the health and well being of cruisers and staff?

Welcome to corporate America, this is absolutely nothing new, happens every day all over the world.

[Bxc53]

26 minutes ago, rudeney said:

 

Maybe because Celebrity charges so much more for their cruises, they don't need to supplement profits with casino revenue (same with DCL that has no casins).

Two points:

1.If you look at all costs, ( Tips, Internet, drinks, etc)  Celebrity  comes out close or sometimes even less than RCL  for similar itins.

2. It is my impression after several Celebrity cruises that they generally appeal to a different demographic than RCL, overall. Even in the designated smoking areas we saw few smokers. And the (non-smoking) casino was very active.

Edited July 1, 2022 by Bxc53
Autocorrect fail..

[flyguyjake]

The majority of the ship is non-smoking. There are dedicated smoking areas. Are you telling me that a smoker won't gamble if they are forced to smoke in an outdoor designated area? They still cruised didn't they? I call total B.S. For the health of their employees and majority of passengers the casino should also be smoke free. Period.

 

Our local Indian casino has been smoke free since the pandemic started and guess what, that place is packed as if smoking never existed. People comply or make alternative accommodations.

[rudeney]

14 minutes ago, Bxc53 said:

Two points:

1.If you look at all costs, ( Tips, Internet, drinks, etc)  Celebrity  comes out close or sometimes even less than RCL  for similar itins.

2. It is my impression after several Celebrity cruises that they generally appeal to a different demographic than RCL, overall. Even in the designated smoking areas we saw few smokers. And the (non-smoking) casino was very active.

 

You may be right, but every time I price out our cruise (suites) Celebrity is much more expensive.  And I do agree about the demographics.  One day we may try Celebrity, but not in the the next two years - it's all RCCL.

[ONECRUISER]

5 hours ago, zeberdee said:

Yes, less people standing around smoking in the smoking room....oops I meant Casino 😜

Kidding but really not. On longer 10+ Cruises I do they refuel 1-2 times and with Open Deck Ban the only place on Ship to Smoke that day is inside the Casino

[ONECRUISER]

47 minutes ago, flyguyjake said:

The majority of the ship is non-smoking. There are dedicated smoking areas. Are you telling me that a smoker won't gamble if they are forced to smoke in an outdoor designated area? They still cruised didn't they? I call total B.S. For the health of their employees and majority of passengers the casino should also be smoke free. Period.

 

As said in article they test smoke free multiple times and the Casino is down those those Cruises

[klfrodo]

58 minutes ago, flyguyjake said:

 For the health of their employees and majority of passengers the casino should also be smoke free. Period.

 

Our local Indian casino has been smoke free since the pandemic started and guess what, that place is packed as if smoking never existed. People comply or make alternative accommodations.

When YOU become the CEO of your cruise line, then I guess you can make that decision.

Until then, you are correct when you say, "comply or make alternative accommodations".

 

 

[time4u2go]

1 hour ago, flyguyjake said:

The majority of the ship is non-smoking. There are dedicated smoking areas. Are you telling me that a smoker won't gamble if they are forced to smoke in an outdoor designated area? They still cruised didn't they? I call total B.S. For the health of their employees and majority of passengers the casino should also be smoke free. Period.

 

Our local Indian casino has been smoke free since the pandemic started and guess what, that place is packed as if smoking never existed. People comply or make alternative accommodations.

If you "call total B.S.", then for what possible other reason do you think they continue to allow smoking?

[John&LaLa]

2 hours ago, yogimax said:

Don't you see an ethical problem with that - placing corporate profit over the health and well being of cruisers and staff?

 

No

[John&LaLa]

1 hour ago, BND said:

Which has absolutely nothing to do with the topic.

 

Very little of this has to do with the topic.

 

CEO has spoken

[lifes-a-beach]

1 hour ago, BND said:

Which has absolutely nothing to do with the topic.

Didn't you say this?

 

"Yes, but if I drink or eat fattening foods or lose $1,000, it doesn't impact your health at all."