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TYVM for your thoughts. We haven't booked with them yet. The dining sounds great. Who would you say is their main demographic? The rooms look tight online? How as bath/closet? TYIA

Someone posted a long video of that event on youtube showing the group adrift and then the launch going out to get them. Very sad indeed. What happens to the makeshift vessel when folks are rescued?

TY for your review. Sorry to hear that there will be a personnel change in Haven- Had hoped we'd benefit from such a pro that draws such high praise

I thought you'd have said Tina Turner/Private dancer --til I thought about that cake. Ha!🤣

@DaKahuna welcome to MSC YC! The YC is a lovely experience. The private pool deck, lounge and dining are a great way to escape from the hustle/bustle and to really relax. We used to sail X often and decided to try MSC YC in early 2020. Never looked back. The last 6 cruises have all been MSC YC The ships vary (as you know being experienced in cruising) and are fun to explore. What makes YC is the staff, crew, privacy and how they work to make your vacation special. On OC they will take you over the YCs beach/dining. Your wifi and YC bev package goes with you. On Embarkation Day-- you will see right away how YC is wonderful - and the YC off/on at each port is such a nice amenity... Enjoy

What a lovely thing to celebrate together. I pray you have a joyous time and make wonderful memories.

@havoc315 I get your point We understand about crew hiring/life on board/recruitment etc. And we are generous to all those - butlers/stewards/bar/pool attendants etc...both with personal notes/cash and proper recs to mgrs about each one that really is amazing. Kindness and generousity are never wrong. On your list for the math- exclude bartenders-- we are paying additional grats on the prem plus+ package-- so thats another line item. Yes they still get $ The issue is TIPS are supposed to be voluntary (not compulsory like they are on the bev package or fee'd in the dsc at $25 per day. Its a game by NCL..which is why I suggest that NCL make Haven all inclusive (wifi/prem plus+ bev etc) so that it doesn't make pax feel nickeled -dimed. We are already paying a lot per SF for staterooms and that much high rate goes to more than carpet and paint on the walls. The Haven staff must get something of that in salaries. The point made by another poster and lux lines is a good one

too bad we can't block that number 🙂

really--thats a marvelous point 😍 because that means we are ON the ship

Good point 15 nights, 2 pp at $25 pp pd = $750 and "none" goes our butler? the super prem + bev package charges high "gratuities" on that And any specialty dining etc has grats o that There are lines that are inclusive. And discourage any tipping Perhaps NCL should consider that for Haven pax instead of piecing it together Include the prem wifi, include the prem + bev, include "grats" and be sure the butlers are included in that

@mking8288 The biggest waste of paper imho are all of the "art" and shopping flyers... we throw those out the moment we see them. Never understood that or the books that used to be in cabins about the shops on the ship.

I have been thinking about this too The required grats for Haven is $25 pp pd-- that's not really Tips-- it is a fee/tax to help with expenses of the cruiseline and we don't know how those are distributed. 100% on top of salaries? We have already paid the grats on the bev/bar/coffee package for those bar staff/servers There is a difference between front of the house and back of the house. I cannot imagine a young man making rolls in the kitchen 24/7 is getting tipped-- He is salaried. Same for security and all of the people that make these sailings go. The idea that the butler and concierge is fully excluded from sharing in the $25 a day pp is absurd. It may be correct, it is just wrong. We've sent an inquiry to the pre-cruise concierge to get corp verification. Certainly they should be paid commensurate with their job title/status. Presumably those that serve as butlers and concierge are trained and have an expertise in hospitality to have that coveted job. (at least that's the way it rolls at MSC-- they work their way up) We do tip well while in YC and will do the same with Haven. Maybe part of the issue is people don't know to tip, or perhaps they couldn't really afford to sail and don't budget for the tips? We are already seeing some stark differences in MSC YC and NCL Haven and haven't gotten onboard yet

Glad you have had a nice cruise in spite of the tumble Helpful to note that the doors are not all marked (and clear glass) going into the Haven--that the decks with the staterooms are solid doors Re dailies-- one cruise line had a tear off with the daily so you weren't carrying the whole page, I think that was X When we sail--I generally don't use my phone/email/text etc often and don't use the apps...as they didn't list events/menus etc though if NCLs app is useful that may change. At home I can have my laptop and cell both engaged in writing / surfing etc On a ship I only use an ipad for reading books. As much time as I normally spend online etc--I would need unlimited streaming -- DH brings tech for potential work related things.

Enjoying your cruise updates And appreciate you posting the dailies. From what I read-- there than "donna"- there are no other production shows... Hoping some of the better music/bands/duos etc stay on board til after the TA 😉

And its is NOT discretionary... reading the NCL FAQs-- Haven pax pay $25 pp pd before paying Butler " What is the onboard service charge? Why is there a service charge? The reason there's a fixed service charge is an important one: Our Crew (as are the crew from other lines) is encouraged to work together as a team. Staff members including complimentary restaurant staff, stateroom stewards and behind-the-scenes support staff are compensated by a combination of salary and incentive programs that your service charge supports. How much is the charge? Onboard Service Charges are additional. How much are the service charges? For bookings made on or after January 1, 2023: $25.00 USD per person per day for The Haven and Suites; $20.00 USD per person per day for Club Balcony Suite and below;

Want some Cheese with that "wine" ? Frosty bev with ice per the doc sounds good. Hope you feel better soon

Maybe- yet-- think bout the sweaty folks that get into pools and hot tubs without showering first... or the folks who sit in hot tubs drinking all day without leaving for a restroom Or the sweaty folks on the loungers without towels... lots of yuck to go around

Good the know. Hope he is staying on the ship through spring. Name please and TY

@complawyer agree. We believe in grats and appreciate those who serve so well. TY for your thoughts

Can I get your email to send you a request for that pleas and TYVM

TY @havoc315 and @Sthrngary for your help.

🤣😍 Hope they know those angels can't be on the Haven pool deck (over 16)

Darwin? 🙃

Hotel Director and Security should be advised " Why can’t children who are not toilet trained use the pools on cruise ships? Children who wear any type of swimming diaper or other diapers are not allowed in pools because fecal matter may contaminate the water. This can expose other swimmers to fecal matter that is potentially infectious." https://www.hhs.gov/guidance/document/cdc-vessel-sanitation-program-frequently-asked-questions And from a UK site "Maritime law states that babies who are not toilet trained CAN NOT use cruise ship pools as a result the more family friendly cruise lines have created splash areas which are easier to keep clean thus offering a great place for babies in swim nappies to play." These are by the vanishing edge pools, do they drain/circulate with those pools?

TYVM It seemed excessive. We expect the Butlers are paid by NCL for their expertise and status in their respective contracts. And we expect to tip. That # felt high