Discuss Implementation of Smoking Policy

[c-boy]

8 minutes ago, Treasure Hunter said:

Just got off the Emerald. I’m a non smoker and hate the smell, my eyes sting and my hair seems to absorb it. There were few  smokers that were also players. There were not enough slots and the casino was jammed most nights. I hit four hand pays so for sure I wanted to be in there all possible hours. One lovely lady who smoked asked me if I minded if she smoked. I said Idid ( but I didn’t have a leg to stand on as I was in the smoking section ( my favorite machines) but she should go ahead anyway. She decided not to smoke. I was thrilled at such kindness.  I notice few smokers  than years before. Hopefully the habit will just die out. 

it may die out (hopefully) in this hemisphere but,  I've  seen a lot of tobacco smokers and vaping in European and some Asian countries. The world doesn't revolve around the U S and it's policies on health.

[memoak]

18 minutes ago, Treasure Hunter said:

Just got off the Emerald. I’m a non smoker and hate the smell, my eyes sting and my hair seems to absorb it. There were few  smokers that were also players. There were not enough slots and the casino was jammed most nights. I hit four hand pays so for sure I wanted to be in there all possible hours. One lovely lady who smoked asked me if I minded if she smoked. I said Idid ( but I didn’t have a leg to stand on as I was in the smoking section ( my favorite machines) but she should go ahead anyway. She decided not to smoke. I was thrilled at such kindness.  I notice few smokers  than years before. Hopefully the habit will just die out. 

We just wear masks if we play in the smoking area which helps somewhat. I would never ask someone not to smoke in the smoking area

[Treasure Hunter]

I didn't ask her not to smoke. She volunteered. I understand the rules. Often there are smokers hanging around who do not play. But as I said it seemed less than years before. We had a blast as many people were jolly and having a great time. I man next to me was playing 88 cents and hit for $10,000. We were all screaming. He nearly fell off his chair. 

[Thrak]

8 hours ago, Treasure Hunter said:

I didn't ask her not to smoke. She volunteered. I understand the rules

 

I thought the rules were that one could smoke in that section of they were playing a machine???

[c-boy]

8 hours ago, Treasure Hunter said:

I didn't ask her not to smoke. She volunteered. I understand the rules. Often there are smokers hanging around who do not play. But as I said it seemed less than years before. We had a blast as many people were jolly and having a great time. I man next to me was playing 88 cents and hit for $10,000. We were all screaming. He nearly fell off his chair. 

I think was damn polite of her. Ya shoulda bought her a drink .. 😉

[Treasure Hunter]

Yes she sat down next to me to play. She was just being polite and didn’t stay long. I think she had the drink package. The problem was that there just weren’t enough slots in either section. 

[jsn55]

2 hours ago, Treasure Hunter said:

Yes she sat down next to me to play. She was just being polite and didn’t stay long. I think she had the drink package. The problem was that there just weren’t enough slots in either section. 

I would have done the same, ask if it would be 'OK' to light up.  Seems like common courtesy to me.  Y'all are educating me on the casino.  I've never been a gambler, but it sounds like the casino is a pleasant place to spend an hour or so in the evening.  And get to know others who drink and smoke!

Edited September 21, 2023 by jsn55

[memoak]

9 minutes ago, jsn55 said:

I would have done the same, ask if it would be 'OK' to light up.  Seems like common courtesy to me.  Y'all are educating me on the casino.  I've never been a gambler, but it sounds like the casino is a pleasant place to spend an hour or so in the evening.  And get to know others who drink and smoke!

 Be aware you cannot smoke at the casino bar or at only table games. The smoking are of slots is full of people gambling and not there to just hang out and socialize. If you sit at a machine and are not playing someone who wants to use the machine will probably kick you out of that seat

 

[Torfamm]

23 hours ago, c-boy said:

it may die out (hopefully) in this hemisphere but,  I've  seen a lot of tobacco smokers and vaping in European and some Asian countries. The world doesn't revolve around the U S and it's policies on health.

While smoking is still the leading preventable cause of mortality in Europe, rates of tobacco use are declining with some countries seeing much more progress than others. The rate of smoking varies a lot from 6.4 % in Sweden (about half of the US rate) to 28.7 % in Bulgaria.

Edited September 21, 2023 by Torfamm

[doghog]

2 hours ago, jsn55 said:

I would have done the same

I respect that. When I smoked and finally got married I never smoked around my wife, in our house or vehicles. I didn't hide the fact I smoked but I tried to keep my exposer to others at a minimal. I know I still had the smoker stench. I wasn't a chain or heavy smoker. A pack would last me two days. When I quit it was for me not others. 

Edited September 21, 2023 by doghog

[joejoe 59]

Thankfully in Australia nobody is allowed to smoke inside, that goes for cruise ships departing & sailing in Australia 

[c-boy]

On 9/21/2023 at 8:05 PM, joejoe 59 said:

Thankfully in Australia nobody is allowed to smoke inside, that goes for cruise ships departing & sailing in Australia 

🤨 hmmm, even if the cruise line has a designated indoor venue ? 

[joejoe 59]

13 minutes ago, c-boy said:

🤨 hmmm, even if the cruise line has a designated indoor venue ? 

Absolutely no smoking inside, not even your balcony.  There is a designated area out on one or two of the open decks only.

[Thrak]

1 hour ago, joejoe 59 said:

Absolutely no smoking inside, not even your balcony.  There is a designated area out on one or two of the open decks only.

 

Smoking on the balcony is not allowed on any Princess cruise. Period.

[joejoe 59]

3 hours ago, Thrak said:

 

Smoking on the balcony is not allowed on any Princess cruise. Period.

Good

[roxstarcruiser]

On 9/23/2023 at 4:54 PM, c-boy said:

🤨 hmmm, even if the cruise line has a designated indoor venue ? 

I've read a few places that whichever ship is repositioning to Australia is turning Churchill's into an arcade or something, at least for her time there. No idea if it's going to be a permanent change. 

[c-boy]

🤔  ?. I have been to straya over a half dozen times but ; never boarded a cruise liner. Quess I'll find out in four weeks.

[doghog]

12 hours ago, c-boy said:

🤔  ?. I have been to straya over a half dozen times but ; never boarded a cruise liner. Quess I'll find out in four weeks.

And if you are a gambler, I'll bet (😉) ya the casino will be just as busy with the no smoking policy for your cruise. 

[JRice]

*** PEACE TREATY NEEDED ***

The smoking debate will continue as long as there is one smoker on the earth.

Cruises should be all things to all people.  Part of the fun for me is watching other

people having fun and enjoying themselves.  My attitude is "I be me ... they be them"

 

Cruise ships with 3000 passengers require all of us to be tolerant of most behavior and to be

non-sanctimonious.  Your pleasures may be my sins and vice versa.  Therefore, let's stop picking on the smokers.  They should not be prohibited from smoking in an indoor enclosed lounge or in a few outdoor locations.  You know, I know and they know smoking is not healthy - I am sure if it were easy to quit they would do so tomorrow.  

 

If you find it necessary to pick on the smokers, then why not pick on other behaviors?
Should obese passengers be prohibited from eating more than the recommended daily caloric intake?

Should those with alcohol dependency be prohibited from purchasing the booze package or buy at a bar?  Should those with gambling addictions or financial issues be prohibited from entering the casino?

Sunshine can cause skin cancer, should the lounge chairs be removed? 

Hot tubs can spread disease, should they be closed too?  

The answer to all these questions is an unequivocal 'NO".

Let each adult make their own decisions based upon the risks they want to endure and without interference. 

 

If you want to "ban" something -- how about banning some of these rude or inconsiderate behaviors?

- Passengers who think it is ok to pass gas in public areas

- Passengers who cut into elevator, buffet or tender lines

- Passengers who eat in a buffet line

- Passengers who hog deck chairs

- Passengers who disregard formal night dress codes.

 

*** Let he who is without sin cast the first stone ***

[doghog]

8 hours ago, JRice said:

If you want to "ban" something -- how about banning some of these rude or inconsiderate behaviors?

You forgot one. Smokers who bathe in cologne or perfume to try and cover up the cigarette, pipe, cigar smell on themselves. Speaking from past experience. Of course all your bans are also done by some smokers. Yes and some non smokers bathe in cologne and perfume.  

 

I blame Princess or whoever the cruise line is that allows inside smoking. Not the smoker. All cruise lines need to keep the smoking out of all the indoor areas of the ship. Works on Celebrity ships. The outside designated smoking areas are great. You can't beat the view and service for outside smoking areas. 

Edited September 29, 2023 by doghog

[Torfamm]

10 hours ago, JRice said:

Cruise ships with 3000 passengers require all of us to be tolerant of most behavior and to be

non-sanctimonious.  Your pleasures may be my sins and vice versa.  Therefore, let's stop picking on the smokers.  They should not be prohibited from smoking in an indoor enclosed lounge or in a few outdoor locations.  You know, I know and they know smoking is not healthy - I am sure if it were easy to quit they would do so tomorrow.  

 

If you find it necessary to pick on the smokers, then why not pick on other behaviors?

I absolutely agree that adults have the right to smoke if they choose. The issue here is a smoking policy that exposes non-smokers to secondhand smoke. If Princess feels that indoor smoking areas are needed, they should be dedicated spaces not shared spaces like the casino, especially since it is open to other public spaces.

[doghog]

5 hours ago, Torfamm said:

hey should be dedicated spaces not shared spaces like the casino

Don't they already have a smoking lounge besides the casino. Churchills. 

[Torfamm]

19 minutes ago, doghog said:

Don't they already have a smoking lounge besides the casino. Churchills. 

On itineraries outside of Australia and New Zealand, I believe there are dedicated smoking lounges on Princess ships although I hear there is not one showing on the plans for the new Sun Princess. 

 

My point is that they are appropriate smoking areas. The casino is not.

Edited September 29, 2023 by Torfamm

[doghog]

55 minutes ago, Torfamm said:

On itineraries outside of Australia and New Zealand, I believe there are dedicated smoking lounges on Princess ships although I hear there is not one showing on the plans for the new Sun Princess. 

 

My point is that they are appropriate smoking areas. The casino is not.

Unfortunately the casinos are smoking lounges (not advertised at such) that allows gambling when not in port. 

Edited September 29, 2023 by doghog

[DONNAKG]

We enjoy a cigar in the evening, one of the reasons we choose Princess,  Churchill's speakeasy

cigar lounges are great. We do not smoke in the Casino.