latserrof Posted August 2, 2017 #576 Share Posted August 2, 2017 Will we get OBC if we rant enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Muster Posted August 2, 2017 #577 Share Posted August 2, 2017 Yup, definitely the cruise line's fault somehow. I respectfully disagree most heartily. There is no evidence to suggest Princess or her staff are culpable in this matter. They received a call and they responded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davekathy Posted August 2, 2017 #578 Share Posted August 2, 2017 I respectfully disagree most heartily. There is no evidence to suggest Princess or her staff are culpable in this matter. They received a call and they responded. You do realize the poster triptolemus post is not a serious comment. :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Muster Posted August 2, 2017 #579 Share Posted August 2, 2017 You do realize the poster triptolemus post is not a serious comment. :rolleyes: Oops!! No!! Sorry!! :o It's so hard to know without someone saying so. I know it results in lots of misunderstandings in emails and texts. Mea culpa! Cheerio, Dearies! :* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRPWDunIL Posted August 2, 2017 #580 Share Posted August 2, 2017 I am only sharing this as means of information and a frame of reference. I have unsubscribed from this thread (which I should have done a long time ago). I had a bad attack of Post-Traumatic Stress this afternoon that was in part triggered by reading this thread. No fault but my own. Nobody forced me to read the thread. I'm pretty sure I know which post put me over the edge, but I didn't recognize the trigger or cause of my breakdown until after it happened. That event is almost ten years ago and the right triggers will still send me into a tailspin at a moment's notice. That is how deeply things like this event can cut. I needed to say this for me. I'm not looking for sympathy or hugs or good wishes. Like others who have posted, sometimes things hit too close to home and hit the accumulation of baggage you have. Please hug your loved ones tonight and never take tomorrow for granted. Thank you for listening. CC is an amazing place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Muster Posted August 2, 2017 #581 Share Posted August 2, 2017 I am only sharing this as means of information and a frame of reference. I have unsubscribed from this thread (which I should have done a long time ago). I had a bad attack of Post-Traumatic Stress this afternoon that was in part triggered by reading this thread. No fault but my own. Nobody forced me to read the thread. I'm pretty sure I know which post put me over the edge, but I didn't recognize the trigger or cause of my breakdown until after it happened. That event is almost ten years ago and the right triggers will still send me into a tailspin at a moment's notice. That is how deeply things like this event can cut. I needed to say this for me. I'm not looking for sympathy or hugs or good wishes. Like others who have posted, sometimes things hit too close to home and hit the accumulation of baggage you have. Please hug your loved ones tonight and never take tomorrow for granted. Thank you for listening. CC is an amazing place. Glad you are doing what you need to and taking care of yourself. Such wise advice to hug our loved ones and never take tomorrow for granted! Peace and all good things! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sumonami Posted August 2, 2017 #582 Share Posted August 2, 2017 The murder statute in the Federal System is much different than in the state system. There is not much room for "plea Bargain" sentence is always harsh..................... (no parole etc.) If it happens in the special maritime district there is even less room. Its an interesting discussion but moot. The "plea bargain" will essentialy break down to how much time he will serve NORTH of 18 years for a guilty plea (and thats hard time) not the charges themselves. Federal sentencing is so harsh, 93% of federal cases plead out By contrast in State Court a "life sentence" can be as little as 12 years.[ /quote] What state considers 12 years as a life sentence.....:confused::confused: Bob States with insanely overcrowded jails. Welcome to California. A true injustice to the victims. Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare abbydancer2003 Posted August 2, 2017 #583 Share Posted August 2, 2017 Here's a question - I'm just curious. Where will the trial take place? And will all the people who are actual witnesses have to fly there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare 4cats4me Posted August 2, 2017 #584 Share Posted August 2, 2017 (edited) Here's a question - I'm just curious. Where will the trial take place? And will all the people who are actual witnesses have to fly there? It will be Federal District Court. Which courthouse, I would also like to know. There is a Federal District Court in Ketchikan, not sure if there is a branch in Juneau. Maybe there is a Federal Court in Seattle? As for witnesses, it has been my experience that witnesses do need to be flown in for trial, if indeed there will be a trial. Jurors like to hear from actual witnesses. I suppose the witness evidence could also come in the form of a deposition and a video, too. I was once apprenticing in Federal Court in San Francisco back in the early 80s, and that particular matter had to do with Alaskan crab fishing boats, a civil matter, yet the matter was heard here in SF. I also recall a very famous murder case being heard in Federal Court in SF, where the murder took place down in the South Pacific, so it is anybody's guess where this matter will be heard. Addendum: Just found this site and there are Federal courthouses in 5 locations in AK. http://www.akd.uscourts.gov/content/anchorage Edited August 2, 2017 by 4cats4me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare abbydancer2003 Posted August 2, 2017 #585 Share Posted August 2, 2017 II also recall a very famous murder case being heard in Federal Court in SF, where the murder took place down in the South Pacific, so it is anybody's guess where this matter will be heard. Stephanie Stearns? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare 4cats4me Posted August 2, 2017 #586 Share Posted August 2, 2017 Stephanie Stearns? [emoji6] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caribill Posted August 2, 2017 #587 Share Posted August 2, 2017 OK- I really don't see much difference between someone accepting responsibility and reducing their sentence by 2 or 3 levels and and a plea deal in the regular court system, but my question is , if that happens is there still a trial? A plea deal in the non-Federal court system usually means pleading guilty to a lesser charge which usually comes with a lesser sentence. It is not pleading guilty to the actual charge in order to get a reduced sentence. There would not be a full blown trial, but there would be a short one in which the defendant would formally plead guilty and the judge would hand down the sentence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyss00 Posted August 2, 2017 #588 Share Posted August 2, 2017 http://www.oxygen.com/blogs/alaskan-cruise-ship-passengers-describe-heartbreaking-moment-teen-daughter-found-out-dad Incredibly sad. Thoughts are with her daughters. To loose your Mum like that and your dad too really. Hope they have a good supportive extended family. 😓 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Got2Cruise Posted August 2, 2017 #589 Share Posted August 2, 2017 Who says he's going to plea? He can go with temporary insanity due to stress or a medical condition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Host CJSKIDS Posted August 2, 2017 #590 Share Posted August 2, 2017 Here's a question - I'm just curious. Where will the trial take place? And will all the people who are actual witnesses have to fly there? Court documents were filed for a change of venue to Juneau. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Host CJSKIDS Posted August 2, 2017 #591 Share Posted August 2, 2017 An article in today's people magazine states "The killing allegedly culminated a night of marital tension between the couple that began when Kenneth became belligerent at dinner, a family source who was not on the boat tells PEOPLE. “He had been acting terrible all night,” the source says. The source adds that at some point that evening, Kristy asked for a divorce. At that point, Kenneth allegedly “snapped” and killed her, the source says. The couple’s apparent marital discord was news to the source, who tells PEOPLE, “If they were having [marital issues] they never showed any of that to anyone else.” According to the source, the night of the killing, Kristy’s father and brother broke down the cabin door after hearing Kristy screaming from her room. In the blood-covered cabin, they discovered Kristy mortally wounded and Kenneth allegedly covered in blood as well. Ever since, Kristy’s family has been reeling." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latserrof Posted August 2, 2017 #592 Share Posted August 2, 2017 People magazine quoting an unnamed source who wasn't there -- what could be less credible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Muster Posted August 2, 2017 #593 Share Posted August 2, 2017 People magazine quoting an unnamed source who wasn't there -- what could be less credible? The only one that comes to mind is The National Inquirer.... ;p Toot-Toot!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Host CJSKIDS Posted August 2, 2017 #594 Share Posted August 2, 2017 People magazine quoting an unnamed source who wasn't there -- what could be less credible? I agree. Only posted it because it was a new article and said it was from a family source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
floridalover5623 Posted August 2, 2017 #595 Share Posted August 2, 2017 People magazine quoting an unnamed source who wasn't there -- what could be less credible? Someone at home reading and posting on Cruise Critic. ;p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USNUZULOOSE Posted August 2, 2017 #596 Share Posted August 2, 2017 Here's a question - I'm just curious. Where will the trial take place? And will all the people who are actual witnesses have to fly there? I know someone in a law office there and they are keeping an eye on this and will keep me informed of what is going on if it comes to trial, but they would fly witness's and anyone else in they need to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USNUZULOOSE Posted August 2, 2017 #597 Share Posted August 2, 2017 Who says he's going to plea? He can go with temporary insanity due to stress or a medical condition. Just have to wait and see what the state charges him with. And see what the defense goes with. You never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillPooh Posted August 2, 2017 #598 Share Posted August 2, 2017 There won't be a plea deal, they only do that when they're not confident they could get a conviction or they are going for bigger fish so to speak. This one is in the bag. I'm sure he will get a conviction and maximum sentence of the charges pending against him.Not necessarily true. Plea deals are frequently offered to save the taxpayers the expense of a trial. Especially when Alaska has to pay for a problem inherited from Utah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquahound Posted August 2, 2017 Author #599 Share Posted August 2, 2017 It will be Federal District Court. Which courthouse, I would also like to know. There is a Federal District Court in Ketchikan, not sure if there is a branch in Juneau. Maybe there is a Federal Court in Seattle? Addendum: Just found this site and there are Federal courthouses in 5 locations in AK. http://www.akd.uscourts.gov/content/anchorage Technically, this case can be heard anywhere in the District of Alaska. They are the venue for prosecution. I'm pretty sure it currently sits at the Juneau court. Seattle is a totally different District. It's unlikely a change of venue would occur, but not totally unheard of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mslilad Posted August 2, 2017 #600 Share Posted August 2, 2017 I contemplated whether or not to start this thread because but I can't quote a news source yet, but from what I've been told by my professional contacts in the area, a woman was killed by her husband last night on board the ship. I'll pass more details as they become public. A press release was supposedly issued, so we should be seeing on-line news sources reporting very soon. Yep. He said she would not stop laughing at him. He bashed her head in. Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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