Rare Selbourne Posted August 16, 2017 #326 Share Posted August 16, 2017 You see we can agree. Sent from my SM-G930F using Forums mobile app :) In truth, I think we probably agree on far more than we disagree! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeanlyon Posted August 16, 2017 #327 Share Posted August 16, 2017 (edited) Our upcoming 17 night cruise cost us £1249 pp, so as we all get the same service, then the charge should be the same for everyone. so that's £102 pp in tips. Interestingly, those who can afford a Suite or Balcony it doesn't sound much at all! I guess for some who save up for their holiday, perhaps tips are just not affordable? Edited August 16, 2017 by jeanlyon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millers Posted August 16, 2017 #328 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Our upcoming 17 night cruise cost us £1249 pp, so as we all get the same service, then the charge should be the same for everyone. so that's £102 pp in tips. Interestingly, those who can afford a Suite or Balcony it doesn't sound much at all! I guess for some who save up for their holiday, perhaps tips are just not affordable? True, but those in balcony and suites will be getting OBC, so, effectively PanO are paying their tips Sent from my iPad using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PORT ROYAL Posted August 16, 2017 #329 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Well done and something i have done in the past as well.It is the people who short change the crew that lots of us detest. Sent from my Kestrel using Forums mobile app Short change is one matter, but how about a large party of Brits at Guest Services, trying to remove, and obtain a rebate, of the inclusive gratuities given as an incentive (included in the price) by a well known TA on booking? The reason? To purchase cigarettes from the onboard Duty Free . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insanemagnet Posted August 16, 2017 #330 Share Posted August 16, 2017 I would set a £5 per day fee which could not be stopped on the understanding that absolutely no more tips are to be given. The only way you would be allowed under EU consumer rules to make it unstopable would be to include it in the fare. So what would be the point in specifying a value? Do you actually know which tax regime the crew come under? I think you will find none of the crew ( who rely on tips at any rate) come under the UK tax rules....they will be non resident for a start. They would fall under the tax rules of where they normally belong, but for most countries working at sea for 6 months or more means any pay is tax free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maime Posted August 16, 2017 #331 Share Posted August 16, 2017 I agree with the person who said it was about value not about the price. £84 on a £2,500 cruise isn't much especially with OBC. However on my small saver cruise tips it's almost 10% extra. This definitely decreases the value of my holiday against alternatives. P&O are clearly trying to attracti a broader market share than just people with a healthy budget. Seeing as pricing seems very opaque for cruises ( TA giving extra perks, pricing going up and down, two types of fares which don't correlate to each other) , expecting non mandatory tipping to work seems insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majortom10 Posted August 16, 2017 #332 Share Posted August 16, 2017 And quite a few considerably more. And many considerably less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Eglesbrech Posted August 16, 2017 #333 Share Posted August 16, 2017 339 posts and counting. The one thing we all have in common? Regardless of how we choose to do it, we all pay the tips. Unless I have missed it not one single poster has said that they pay nothing to the staff. See we allreally agree😀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Selbourne Posted August 16, 2017 #334 Share Posted August 16, 2017 And many considerably less. Indeed. But you already said that in your last post, hence my comment. It's a bit like boarding a plane. Some turn left whilst others turn right. Sadly, I mostly turn right ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balf Posted August 16, 2017 #335 Share Posted August 16, 2017 339 posts and counting. The one thing we all have in common? Regardless of how we choose to do it, we all pay the tips. Unless I have missed it not one single poster has said that they pay nothing to the staff. See we allreally agree😀 And I believe in Father Christmas. David. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pisces14 Posted August 16, 2017 #336 Share Posted August 16, 2017 And I believe in Father Christmas. David. Me too.:rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeanlyon Posted August 16, 2017 #337 Share Posted August 16, 2017 True, but those in balcony and suites will be getting OBC, so, effectively PanO are paying their tips Sent from my iPad using Forums True, I never thought of that. I think our OBC is £65 each Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapau27 Posted August 16, 2017 #338 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Do you actually know which tax regime the crew come under? I think you will find none of the crew ( who rely on tips at any rate) come under the UK tax rules....they will be non resident for a start. It has been mentioned on a few tipping thread's that crew and cruise lines pay less tax if the bulk of their wages are gratuitys plus the crew pay agents in their home countries less too if it is tips rather than a percentage of their salary. Sent from my Kestrel using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapau27 Posted August 16, 2017 #339 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Our upcoming 17 night cruise cost us £1249 pp, so as we all get the same service, then the charge should be the same for everyone. so that's £102 pp in tips. Interestingly, those who can afford a Suite or Balcony it doesn't sound much at all! I guess for some who save up for their holiday, perhaps tips are just not affordable? The suites generally pay more autogratuity. Sent from my Kestrel using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapau27 Posted August 16, 2017 #340 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Short change is one matter, but how about a large party of Brits at Guest Services, trying to remove, and obtain a rebate, of the inclusive gratuities given as an incentive (included in the price) by a well known TA on booking? The reason? To purchase cigarettes from the onboard Duty Free . Some people are Unbelievable. Sent from my Kestrel using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pisces14 Posted August 16, 2017 #341 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Our upcoming 17 night cruise cost us £1249 pp, so as we all get the same service, then the charge should be the same for everyone. so that's £102 pp in tips. Interestingly, those who can afford a Suite or Balcony it doesn't sound much at all! I guess for some who save up for their holiday, perhaps tips are just not affordable? People who book suites are already paying more for the same food, service etc as someone on an inside. Why should they also subsidise others gratuities. Not being able to afford tips is not an excuse in my book I'm afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapau27 Posted August 16, 2017 #342 Share Posted August 16, 2017 People who book suites are already paying more for the same food, service etc as someone on an inside. Why should they also subsidise others gratuities. Not being able to afford tips is not an excuse in my book I'm afraid. I agree everyone should pay the same autogratuities,we have already paid extra for a better cabin. Sent from my Kestrel using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millers Posted August 16, 2017 #343 Share Posted August 16, 2017 I agree everyone should pay the same autogratuities,we have already paid extra for a better cabin. Sent from my Kestrel using Forums mobile app And we thought the class system was dead. Sent from my iPad using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daiB Posted August 16, 2017 #344 Share Posted August 16, 2017 The suites generally pay more autogratuity. Sent from my Kestrel using Forums mobile app Thankfully not on P&O. Sent from my SM-G930F using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapau27 Posted August 16, 2017 #345 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Thankfully not on P&O. Sent from my SM-G930F using Forums mobile app Thanks for updating me. Most of our cruises except the last 2 new year cruises on Ventura have been with Royal Caribbean where the tips are higher in Suites. Sent from my Kestrel using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daiB Posted August 16, 2017 #346 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Thanks for updating me.Most of our cruises except the last 2 new year cruises on Ventura have been with Royal Caribbean where the tips are higher in Suites. Sent from my Kestrel using Forums mobile app As they are on Princess. Sent from my iPad using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Selbourne Posted August 17, 2017 #347 Share Posted August 17, 2017 And we thought the class system was dead. Sent from my iPad using Forums Nope. But it is in decline, unlike jealousy, which is clearly on the rise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millers Posted August 17, 2017 #348 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Nope. But it is in decline, unlike jealousy, which is clearly on the rise. [emoji56] Sent from my iPad using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majortom10 Posted August 17, 2017 #349 Share Posted August 17, 2017 There are still those around on cruises who think "they are better than thou" class system isn't dead and albeit very few there are still some about. For years before Carnival plc purchased P&O and Cunard there were those on Cunard who were just ferries and heard equally some do the same on P&O with regards Thomson cruises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeanlyon Posted August 17, 2017 #350 Share Posted August 17, 2017 I have met many people who think they are better because they are in a suite or balcony. We choose an inside cabin as we would rather spend our money in other ways, but have met those who seem to think they are better because they have paid more. We avoid the subject whilst on the ship these days. I agree that everyone should pay the same in tips regardless of cabin price. I just wish they would include it in the fare and call it what it is - a service charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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