Carnival 3rd green zero on roulette wheel?

[lottiegreen56]

I thought I post this from the Wizard of Odds website because I always had questions about the auto shuffler. The advantage is more hands played in a shorter period of time, but the in game advantage actually goes up for the player.

 

Blackjack - Shuffling

 

What is your opinion of the continuous shuffle machines now being used at the blackjack tables in Las Vegas? Do these machines give the house more of and edge even when a person is using basic strategy?

JOHN FROM LONDON, CANADA

For those who don't understand what you're asking, there are new machines that take the blackjack discards and place them randomly back in the deck after each hand. If you are using basic strategy, then the shufflers actually lower the house edge slightly, due to the omission of the cut card effect. It is my understanding that they do provide an honest random shuffle. However, the shuffling machine allows the dealer to waste less time shuffling and spend more time dealing. This means you will spend more time playing, and thus more hands for the house edge to grind you down.

 

 

 

Automatic shufflers don't allow for ace tracking though which is my big gripe. I'll never claim I can count cards, most who try actually lose money because they lose track and then play worse than they would just using basic strategy. However, I can count how many aces have been played with pretty good accuracy. If you know there's a lot of aces left in the shoe at the end, particularly in double deck games, you can increase your bet and swing the odds your way a bit, not enough to make the odds in your favor but almost an even proposition. If you factor in your comps + the enjoyment you get from playing, it's a winning proposition in my book. But the ability to do that is not there with an automatic shuffler or in 6/5 blackjack because ace tracking depends on the ability to take advantage of higher payoff (when you have a big bet) when you get a natural 21.

[NutsAboutGolf]

Any updates, has anyone yet seen a roulette wheel with triple zero within a carnival casino?

[Mommawo]

So for someone who has never ever been in a casino and want to spend maybe 20 bucks total what does one suggest I do? Just want to see what all the hubbub is about 😂 

[NutsAboutGolf]

3 minutes ago, Mommawo said:

So for someone who has never ever been in a casino and want to spend maybe 20 bucks total what does one suggest I do? Just want to see what all the hubbub is about 😂 

 

Sounds like most table bets are $5 minimums, four losing hands/bets and you're done, therefore you might be best off with slots.  Or do one or two blackjack hands and the rest on slots.  They do have free demos listed in the fun times, yet remember, the house USUALLY wins.

[Mommawo]

9 minutes ago, NutsAboutGolf said:

 

Sounds like most table bets are $5 minimums, four losing hands/bets and you're done, therefore you might be best off with slots.  Or do one or two blackjack hands and the rest on slots.  They do have free demos listed in the fun times, yet remember, the house USUALLY wins.

Yeah that’s why I don’t wanna spend much lol 😆 just wanna give it a try 

[NCTribeFan]

There was Pai Gow on the NCL Star TA last spring.  I watched for a while.

 

Where is anyone reading that there's a 3rd Green on the wheel?  I'd love to read that myself.  Guess I'll have to go find it because I have a hard time believing that.

 

But I'm actually a big fan of the zeros.  My favorite on the Carnival ships (and they had it on MSC Divina) is the red/even/0 and black/odd/0 outside bet.  I always bet black odd #s and 0/00 anyway, so that's been good to me.  Pays 3-to-1.

[NutsAboutGolf]

4 minutes ago, NCTribeFan said:

There was Pai Gow on the NCL Star TA last spring.  I watched for a while.

 

Where is anyone reading that there's a 3rd Green on the wheel?  I'd love to read that myself.  Guess I'll have to go find it because I have a hard time believing that.

 

But I'm actually a big fan of the zeros.  My favorite on the Carnival ships (and they had it on MSC Divina) is the red/even/0 and black/odd/0 outside bet.  I always bet black odd #s and 0/00 anyway, so that's been good to me.  Pays 3-to-1.

 

I receive Vegas comped trips based on my roulette play; triple zero tables have invaded Vegas and my favorite property, the cosmo, just added a triple zero table.  They hook people in as they often have very low table minimums compared to the double zero tables.  However, in their high limits, Cosmo is one of the few casinos that offers an "euro" table which has both only one zero and the "en prison" rule which pays half on even money bets (high, low, odds, evens, red and black) if the zero hits.  Have to pay to play there, $100 min; yet if you bet $100 on odds, the zero hits you receive $50 back.  Also the MGM Grand and Mirage have Euro tables on their regular casino floors for $25 mins on weekdays and weekend mornings yet can climb to $50/$100 anytime if they get full.

[CheckersMidwest]

I am a terrible gambler. I walk through the casino and lose money. My husband does play Roulette & does very well. However, on the Legend in August, there was something 'wrong' with the table (maybe extra green 0, something husband didn't like) and he didn't play it at all. He played craps instead. Hoping the Horizon is normal.

[MechE31]

Just saw this thread. They only had triple 0 wheels on the Carnival Sunshine during our November cruise which was right after they got out of dry dock. They had a double 0 electronic/bubble craps.

 

Of note though is they had an any green bet that paid 13/1. So this was actually an even money bet.

[Davey Wavey]

I live at the roulette table. If I had paid for the cabin and saw triple 0 on the wheel, even though I actually play 0/00 almost every spin, I would invoke the 24 hour guarantee and leave.

[KelSny1011]

On RCL some of their roulette tables only have 0.  If I remember correctly thats how roulette is played overseas and since the ship we were on was/is used for European cruises they had those tables as well.  Never heard of 3 different 0's though.  

 

Sorry to piggy back off of this post but does anyone know if Carnival offers single deck BJ?  We were able to get the dealers to do single deck for $25 a hand on RCL just curious if Carnival offers the same.

Edited February 1, 2019 by KelSny1011

[ElCrappyTan]

I call BS until someone comes back and posts a picture of the felt from a triple 0 game. 

[MechE31]

7 minutes ago, ElCrappyTan said:

I call BS until someone comes back and posts a picture of the felt from a triple 0 game. 

 

Find someone on the sunshine. I saw it with my own eyes but didn't take pictures.

[Bravo99]

Just left Carnival Fascination and can confirm green B exists on both tables.

[FSHLOT]

28 minutes ago, Bravo99 said:

Just left Carnival Fascination and can confirm green B exists on both tables.

 

That just aint right. Do they really think people are that stupid to play with 3 greens? Thats just nuts

[deadmoney]

Like PT Barnum said.......

[ElCrappyTan]

2 hours ago, FSHLOT said:

 

That just aint right. Do they really think people are that stupid to play with 3 greens? Thats just nuts

 

Yes. Honestly, a majority of people that are in the casino don't know math and odds. They think they do, but they don't. That's why casinos stay in business.

 

This is now a 7.7% house edge game and it's not going anywhere. People are still going to play it because....a majority of people that are in the casino don't know math and odds. 😳

Edited February 16, 2019 by ElCrappyTan

[Nic6318]

2 hours ago, FSHLOT said:

 

That just aint right. Do they really think people are that stupid to play with 3 greens? Thats just nuts

 

Hi

 

Yes, they do, and people do keep playing.

 

Don't forget people kept playing when they added the second "0". 

 

We all know that some say they play to "win", but most play for entertainment. If that's the case then all this changes is how fast the casino wins your money. If you go in with $20 and it takes you 10 minutes or an hour to lose it the casino makes the same amount, unless you are making other purchases.  What the casino is betting on is that if someone loses that $20 in ten minutes, they will keep playing and lose even more. Some will, and some will just be p-off and not come back. That's why they say, gamble with what you are prepared to lose. 

 

I got to admit, it's pretty sad. They are guaranteed to win, and yet they just try to find ways to win it faster. I won't play on one of those tables.

[Bigmike56]

Just got off carnival Pride today and yes they do have a third green which is a “B” which stands for BROKE!!!!!!!

[Bahbert]

The Fantasy had the B on the roulette as well. And 6/5 blackjack. Definitely squeezing all they can out of casino players.

[ishap]

On 1/30/2019 at 10:28 AM, Mommawo said:

So for someone who has never ever been in a casino and want to spend maybe 20 bucks total what does one suggest I do? Just want to see what all the hubbub is about 😂 

 

Truthfully, your best bet would be to play in either the slot tourney or the blackjack tourney.  For both of those you get a higher play amount for a buy in and you just try to do the best that you can.  For slots, you get something like unlimited spins for 20 minutes.  If you do decide to play blackjack, I would suggest reading basic strategy before playing...things like stay on 12 or higher if the dealer is showing 12-16, etc.  That will at least give you a fighting chance.

[lottiegreen56]

15 minutes ago, ishap said:

 

Truthfully, your best bet would be to play in either the slot tourney or the blackjack tourney.  For both of those you get a higher play amount for a buy in and you just try to do the best that you can.  For slots, you get something like unlimited spins for 20 minutes.  If you do decide to play blackjack, I would suggest reading basic strategy before playing...things like stay on 12 or higher if the dealer is showing 12-16, etc.  That will at least give you a fighting chance.

 

The tourneys are really bad from an EV perspective but they are probably the most fun you'll have for 20-25. 

 

Craps is probably the only game you can still play. The 6/5 BJ, auto shufflers and third green spots are making me sick to my stomach to revisit! 

[ishap]

17 hours ago, lottiegreen56 said:

 

The tourneys are really bad from an EV perspective but they are probably the most fun you'll have for 20-25. 

 

Craps is probably the only game you can still play. The 6/5 BJ, auto shufflers and third green spots are making me sick to my stomach to revisit! 

 

I agree that you aren't going to win money, but for someone who just wants to try it, it's much better than sitting down with $20 and losing it in 4 deals.  Same with slots.

 

Again, I agree with craps.  The would have to really alter the rules for it to change the play.  Craps is already a crap shoot anyway.  Proabably one of the most confusing casino games, but so much fun once you learn the rules.  When people ask me about craps, I always say:  It's a very fun game to play, but you either win big, or lose big.

[RandomUser123]

Come on, did you really think the casino would make a change to improve your odds?

[evandbob]

On 1/30/2019 at 10:52 AM, Mommawo said:

Yeah that’s why I don’t wanna spend much lol 😆 just wanna give it a try 

 

18 hours ago, ishap said:

 

Truthfully, your best bet would be to play in either the slot tourney or the blackjack tourney.  For both of those you get a higher play amount for a buy in and you just try to do the best that you can.  For slots, you get something like unlimited spins for 20 minutes.  If you do decide to play blackjack, I would suggest reading basic strategy before playing...things like stay on 12 or higher if the dealer is showing 12-16, etc.  That will at least give you a fighting chance.

 

The slot tournaments I've played on Carnival and some other lines last 3 minutes.  Does cost $20 or so. (used to be a platinum freebie perk - cutback)