CALLING ALL SMOKERS GOING ON THE EDGE!!

[Charles4515]

31 minutes ago, RDC1 said:

I have never smoked, and I have certainly run into people on cruise ships that smell like they have bathed in perfume.  I suspect that it is their sense of smell that has gotten overwhelmed so they just keep adding more and more.

 

I think some get used to their own perfume smell or smoker smell and don’t notice it. People who don’t bath enough probably don’t know their own oder. I have walked onto an overnight train car in the morning, those passengers had been in the car for hours, and the coach stunk from body oder yet every one who had been riding the car was oblivious. 

 

On the subject of providing a more convenient smoking area for smokers on Edge, I am not opposed. They should if they can. Not having been on Edge yet I don’t know if that is possible. I would rather smokers have a designated place to smoke so they won’t violate the rules out of desperation. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[NLH Arizona]

3 minutes ago, Charles4515 said:

 

I think some get used to their own perfume smell or smoker smell and don’t notice it.

You are totally correct.  I was a smoker for 16 years and about a month after I quit, I realized how much my house, my clothes and I stunk from cigarette smoke.  When I was smoking, I never noticed it.

[RDC1]

3 minutes ago, Charles4515 said:

 

I think some get used to their own perfume smell or smoker smell and don’t notice it. People who don’t bath enough probably don’t know their own oder. I have walked onto an overnight train car in the morning, those passengers had been in the car for hours, and the coach stunk from body oder yet every one who had been riding the car was oblivious. 

 

On the subject of providing a more convenient smoking area for smokers on Edge, I am not opposed. They should if they can. Not having been on Edge yet I don’t know if that is possible. I would rather smokers have a designated place to smoke so they won’t violate the rules out of desperation. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I would just like to point out that one of the major drivers that have resulted is smoking reduction in the US has been the increasing limitation of where one can smoke.  Studies have shown that the resulting inconvenience (resulting from non-smoking laws limiting where one can smoke) has been more effective in getting people to quit then the surgeon general warnings and other information about the health risks.  

 

People will continue to smoke, even when knowledgeable about the risks.  They will tend to quit when it becomes increasingly more inconvenient to do so.

 

As someone who has spent a number of years before retirement working on treatments for non-small cell lung cancer I am perfectly fine with making it as inconvenient as possible. 

[Charles4515]

1 hour ago, RDC1 said:

I would just like to point out that one of the major drivers that have resulted is smoking reduction in the US has been the increasing limitation of where one can smoke.  Studies have shown that the resulting inconvenience (resulting from non-smoking laws limiting where one can smoke) has been more effective in getting people to quit then the surgeon general warnings and other information about the health risks.  

 

People will continue to smoke, even when knowledgeable about the risks.  They will tend to quit when it becomes increasingly more inconvenient to do so.

 

As someone who has spent a number of years before retirement working on treatments for non-small cell lung cancer I am perfectly fine with making it as inconvenient as possible. 

 

Why not just prohibit smoking altogether then? That would make it very inconvenient. 

 

I am 100 per cent for getting to the point of having the ships with no smoking anywhere on the ship but I don’t think that time has arrived yet. 

[RDC1]

34 minutes ago, Charles4515 said:

 

Why not just prohibit smoking altogether then? That would make it very inconvenient. 

 

I am 100 per cent for getting to the point of having the ships with no smoking anywhere on the ship but I don’t think that time has arrived yet. 

some towns pretty much have . they have rules on books eliminating it in just about all public areas. Leaving only ones private home.

[TeeRick]

17 hours ago, RDC1 said:

I would just like to point out that one of the major drivers that have resulted is smoking reduction in the US has been the increasing limitation of where one can smoke.  Studies have shown that the resulting inconvenience (resulting from non-smoking laws limiting where one can smoke) has been more effective in getting people to quit then the surgeon general warnings and other information about the health risks.  

 

People will continue to smoke, even when knowledgeable about the risks.  They will tend to quit when it becomes increasingly more inconvenient to do so.

 

As someone who has spent a number of years before retirement working on treatments for non-small cell lung cancer I am perfectly fine with making it as inconvenient as possible. 

 

Again I am not a smoker but------ the issue here is access to a smoking area for those cruisers who are addicted whether you personally like it or not.  Yes you are correct that on shore the legislated inconvenience and the high cost has dramatically reduced but not entirely eliminated smoking.  But on a ship at sea?  The cruise ship needs to provide some designated area unless it is clearly stated that the entire ship is non-smoking before selling cabins.  There are still smokers as passengers (and crew too). They do not have access to their own private homes for smoking when they are at sea.  It is your stated judgment to make it as inconvenient as possible.  Does that solve the problem on a ship?  No but just the opposite- it probably forces some of those addicted to try to smoke in a non-designated area.

[garda]

Thank You , Than You TeeRick for your comments and understanding !Couldn't have said it better myself.

 

Happy Holidays

[RDC1]

3 hours ago, TeeRick said:

 

Again I am not a smoker but------ the issue here is access to a smoking area for those cruisers who are addicted whether you personally like it or not.  Yes you are correct that on shore the legislated inconvenience and the high cost has dramatically reduced but not entirely eliminated smoking.  But on a ship at sea?  The cruise ship needs to provide some designated area unless it is clearly stated that the entire ship is non-smoking before selling cabins.  There are still smokers as passengers (and crew too). They do not have access to their own private homes for smoking when they are at sea.  It is your stated judgment to make it as inconvenient as possible.  Does that solve the problem on a ship?  No but just the opposite- it probably forces some of those addicted to try to smoke in a non-designated area.

on the other it might make them choose between stopping cruising or stopping smoking. every little bit of incentive helps.

 

as far as violating the ships rules Celebrity has fines for that.

 

they may not have access to smoke in their homes but they do have access to a smoking area on the upper decks.

Edited December 22, 2018 by RDC1

[Jim_Iain]

18 hours ago, RDC1 said:

some towns pretty much have . they have rules on books eliminating it in just about all public areas. Leaving only ones private home.

 

LOL -   Our town, Sunnyvale CA, has a law that prohibits smoking inside your own home if you live in any structure that connected to another residence.   This includes, Duplex and above, Condo's, Townhomes and Apartments, hotels and motels.   Unless the management designates a smoking area you can also not smoke anywhere on the property.    That leaves the only place to smoke is on sidewalks as long as you are 50 feet from a window.   Believe it or not there has been little resistance. 

[twodjs]

I understand the desire for a convenient area to smoke. But deck 5 houses not only inside restaurants, but also outside venue seating (a change from earlier Celebrity designs). Any smoking allowed on this deck would not only disrupt the dining guests but also decks of cabins above 5. That is why there are smoking designated areas on the top of the ship. If your addition had no effect on non-smokers, there would be no reason for a discussion. But since a majority of guests don't smoke, and many are bothered, some severely, by second hand smoke, the current policy of designated smoking areas on top of the ship seems to be the most reasonable solution. 

[ipeeinthepool]

Perhaps I'm wrong, but I'd suspect there are places that the crew can smoke other the top deck.  I wonder why Celebrity didn't adopt some of those design features or technologies to design a passenger smoking area somewhere near deck 5.

[davekathy]

13 minutes ago, ipeeinthepool said:

Perhaps I'm wrong, but I'd suspect there are places that the crew can smoke other the top deck.  I wonder why Celebrity didn't adopt some of those design features or technologies to design a passenger smoking area somewhere near deck 5.

 I don't believe the crew is allowed to smoke anywhere that the passengers are allowed to smoke.

[C-Dragons]

4 minutes ago, davekathy said:

 I don't believe the crew is allowed to smoke anywhere that the passengers are allowed to smoke.

On the S-class ships, the crew area where they are allowed to smoke is at the front of the ship in a semi-sheltered space beneath the helipad.

On the Edge, there is a similar space in the same forward area of the ship.

[davekathy]

Just now, C-Dragons said:

On the S-class ships, the crew area where they are allowed to smoke is at the front of the ship in a semi-sheltered space beneath the helipad.

On the Edge, there is a similar space in the same forward area of the ship.

Agree and have seen the area. Years ago we had a forward facing cabin and could look down on the helipad and see the bar area under the helipad and would occasionally see a few member smoking.  Looked like a cool place to hang out and away from the passengers. 

[RDC1]

30 minutes ago, ipeeinthepool said:

Perhaps I'm wrong, but I'd suspect there are places that the crew can smoke other the top deck.  I wonder why Celebrity didn't adopt some of those design features or technologies to design a passenger smoking area somewhere near deck 5.

might be because part of Celebrity's brand is the fact that they have the toughest rules concerning smoking out of the main stream cruise line.

[garda]

4 minutes ago, RDC1 said:

might be because part of Celebrity's brand is the fact that they have the toughest rules concerning smoking out of the main stream cruise line.

 

Respectfully disagree.  Was on MSC.  Less smoking areas than the S-Class ships!  Rules were enforced!!

[Marelaine]

On 12/18/2018 at 2:49 AM, kkmiausa said:

Aurora it makes me wonder how many of them do indeed use their balcony during the night time hours. How do they go that long without smoking? This seems to have been a problem reported on Edge that smokers were using their balconies - although not supposed to - and with the IVs it was drawing the smoke into the ventilation system.

 

As a former smoker, I know the urge is strong and I can understand why someone might be tempted to smoke on their balconies at night, rather than walk the length of the ship to the 14th deck for a smoke. They don't realize how stinky cigarette smoke is because their sense of smell has been dulled. For that reason, I support OP in requesting a  smoking area on a lower deck - less temptation to smoke in their cabins and balconies. 

 

Overall, I love Celebrity's smoking policy. We sailed once on Princess. They allow smoking in the casino, which ruined the casino for us and that smell carries out to the areas outside the casino.

[garda]

5 minutes ago, Marelaine said:

For that reason, I support OP in requesting a  smoking area on a lower deck - less temptation to smoke in their cabins and balconies. 

 

Overall, I love Celebrity's smoking policy. We sailed once on Princess. They allow smoking in the casino, which ruined the casino for us and that smell carries out to the areas outside the casino.

 

 

Hi!

 

Let me assure you that I do not smoke in my cabin or on the balcony.  Not in my room long enough ....late to bed and very early riser....not one moment to waste while on the ship!  LOL!

 

I agree, I don't like the policy of smoking in the casino on Princess.  I would rather go take some air and smoke outside.

 

Happy Holidays

[Charles4515]

17 minutes ago, garda said:

 

Respectfully disagree.  Was on MSC.  Less smoking areas than the S-Class ships!  Rules were enforced!!

 

Is the casino non smoking on MSC?

 

As I said I would not oppose an outside smoking area where you desire if there was no impact on inside public areas. Some who have been onboard Edge are saying that is not possible. It would have a negative impact. Either Celebrity did not think out the smoking areas in the design or the design was purposeful.  If either is true then you probably will have to live with the upper deck smoking area or not book Edge.

Edited December 22, 2018 by Charles4515

[Charles4515]

13 minutes ago, Marelaine said:

 

Overall, I love Celebrity's smoking policy. We sailed once on Princess. They allow smoking in the casino, which ruined the casino for us and that smell carries out to the areas outside the casino.

 

The worst is NCL. On the Breakaway and Breakaway class vessels the casino is open to the main central public areas. It was not just the smell, it was the smoke itself and you had to walk that central area to get to dining and lounge areas. I understand on their latest ship Bliss they have finally enclosed the casino. 

[garda]

4 minutes ago, Charles4515 said:

you probably will have to live with the upper deck smoking area or not book Edge.

Charles 4515!

 

I will live with it , no worries.   Edge was booked the day it came and I can't wait to step on board!!

 

My thread was to to maybe make it more convenient for us Dreaded Smokers to have a designated area on the lower deck.  If not possible, so be it.  

 

 

[ipeeinthepool]

Just now, garda said:

Charles 4515!

 

I will live with it , no worries.   Edge was booked the day it came and I can't wait to step on board!!

 

My thread was to to maybe make it more convenient for us Dreaded Smokers to have a designated area on the lower deck.  If not possible, so be it.  

 

 

 

I'm not a frequent cruiser on Disney, but perhaps their policy might be something that resolves some of the concern about smoking on one side of the Promenade deck.  Disney allows smoking there from 6pm to 6 am.  This avoids many of the concerns about affecting people on the balconies.  (Please save all of the responses that you use your balcony at night).  Just some food for thought.

[Jim_Iain]

47 minutes ago, C-Dragons said:

On the S-class ships, the crew area where they are allowed to smoke is at the front of the ship in a semi-sheltered space beneath the helipad.

On the Edge, there is a similar space in the same forward area of the ship.

Not sure if it is true on Edge, but a number of staff we met indicated they are able to smoke in an area of the Crew Bar.   I was surprised to hear this.

[garda]

32 minutes ago, ipeeinthepool said:

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47 minutes ago, Charles4515 said:

Is the casino non smoking on MSC?

 

No smoking in the casino on MSC Divina.  This was a Caribbean cruise, I do not know the policy for European Cruises.

 

32 minutes ago, ipeeinthepool said:

33 minutes ago, ipeeinthepool said:

(Please save all of the responses that you use your balcony at night).  Just some food for thought.

 

I don't understand.  Please explain.

 

Thanks

[Pennstateman]

Rules?

we don’t need no stinking rules!

sincerely,

chair hogs

seat savers

hand non washers