Rare mking8288 Posted February 15, 2019 #201 Share Posted February 15, 2019 (edited) Epic was within AIS range 2 hours ago, headings as reported and sailing under 18 knots ... appeared not to be going any faster, for whatever reasons. By skipping Freeport entirely on this run, getting back to PC "should" still be close to on-time this Saturday. Edited February 15, 2019 by mking8288 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reader0108598 Posted February 15, 2019 #202 Share Posted February 15, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, hladygirl said: While I love sea days we go on Caribbean cruises to experience swimming in the warm, sandy and clear ocean water. That is something we can not do in Massachusetts. So yes it would not be the cruise I paid for and I would expect some compensation. I hear what you are saying I am in Massachusetts also! I do love the beach days! Edited February 15, 2019 by Reader0108598 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briji04 Posted February 15, 2019 Author #203 Share Posted February 15, 2019 6 hours ago, dad son team said: I'm not sure is 100% refund. It may be 100% credit towards a future cruise. Either way, I would take that deal and run. You just got a free weeks vacation. It is a future credit. I misspoke earlier calling it a refund. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clskinsfan Posted February 15, 2019 #204 Share Posted February 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Briji04 said: It is a future credit. I misspoke earlier calling it a refund. Either way it is a free vacation. Very nice. I know you feel slighted on this cruise. But will you next year when you are cruising for free? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthonyg1996 Posted February 15, 2019 #205 Share Posted February 15, 2019 Who is the captain he should be fired Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AL3XCruise Posted February 15, 2019 #206 Share Posted February 15, 2019 On 2/13/2019 at 5:41 AM, chengkp75 said: Even with 2 diesels off line, there is full power to power consumers like thrusters. With one diesel generator off line, the ship can still provide full power to hotel and thrusters, and about 90% power to propulsion. Thanks for the clarification. I take it all on-line generators send power to a central "bus" (not sure what the nautical term would be) and then it is drawn off to different subsystems as needed? Also, thanks for clarifying what happens after such an incident. I've seen a lot of misinformation in various places (not just boards) about captains being fired, etc. despite no evidence a significant wrongdoing. It is interesting Epic has conventional shafts; I think she is the largest passenger ship with that configuration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeaTheW0rld Posted February 15, 2019 #207 Share Posted February 15, 2019 4 hours ago, AL3XCruise said: It is interesting Epic has conventional shafts; I think she is the largest passenger ship with that configuration. Only one with that stupid bathroom setup, too. 😁 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted February 15, 2019 #208 Share Posted February 15, 2019 5 hours ago, AL3XCruise said: Thanks for the clarification. I take it all on-line generators send power to a central "bus" (not sure what the nautical term would be) and then it is drawn off to different subsystems as needed? Also, thanks for clarifying what happens after such an incident. I've seen a lot of misinformation in various places (not just boards) about captains being fired, etc. despite no evidence a significant wrongdoing. It is interesting Epic has conventional shafts; I think she is the largest passenger ship with that configuration. All the generators send power to two separate busses (yes, that is the correct term), that are then connected together into one common bus. The generators in one engine room feed one bus, and the generators in the other engine room feed the other bus. In normal situations the busses are joined together, but if there is a problem with one engine room (fire) or with one bus, they can be separated and still maintain power to all services, but large consumers like the propulsion and AC will only get half power. As I've said, Epic was designed when azipods were having their teething problems, so NCL decided to go back to tried and true technology. Many people think that ships with shafted props and rudders are less maneuverable than azipods, but this really isn't the case. Azipods are used for two primary reasons: they can provide about a 10% increase in efficiency, and they cost way less in capital expense than the cost of the shafted propulsion, rudders and stern thrusters. A ship handler who knows how to "split the screws" (run one propeller ahead while the other runs astern) to turn the ship, knows how Becker rudders can act like stern thrusters, and knows how to properly use bow and stern thrusters can maneuver a ship just as neatly and efficiently as the same ship equipped with azipods. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted February 15, 2019 #209 Share Posted February 15, 2019 6 hours ago, anthonyg1996 said: Who is the captain he should be fired Please elaborate as to why this is your opinion? I will just about guarantee that if the investigation finds that he followed all the company's ISM policies and procedures for docking the ship, that neither the USCG, the Bahamas Maritime Authority, nor the company will agree with you. The investigation may show that he did not follow all policies and procedures, but that will take weeks to months to determine, so just wondering how you reached your conclusion. 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myjillian Posted February 15, 2019 #210 Share Posted February 15, 2019 FYI once went to the port in NYC on the day of the cruise and was told the ship would not go out for 2 more days...it was NCL and the dock was full of people not being notified...cost us money to stay in NYC...NCL gave us nothing !....so for those looking forward to cruising next....and havn't been notified....that doesn't mean a thing !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchsnowhite Posted February 15, 2019 #211 Share Posted February 15, 2019 I have a friend that is supposed to sail on the Epic leaving tomorrow she is quite worried!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gatour Posted February 15, 2019 #212 Share Posted February 15, 2019 17 hours ago, coscab said: Epic is sailing out of PR winter of 2019-2020, I wonder if the locals will be a little nervous each time she returns😱 At least they now know not what to do while approaching the dock. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare GeezerCouple Posted February 15, 2019 #213 Share Posted February 15, 2019 17 minutes ago, gatour said: At least they now know not what to do while approaching the dock. Yeah, like, "Don't approach the dock!" 😱 Instead, "Tender!" GC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare PTC DAWG Posted February 15, 2019 #214 Share Posted February 15, 2019 10 hours ago, anthonyg1996 said: Who is the captain he should be fired And the comedy continues. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Laszlo Posted February 15, 2019 #215 Share Posted February 15, 2019 13 hours ago, quercus alba said: Hey, they still got a 7 day cruise, no lack in comfort & amenities (unlike the Carnival disaster a few years ago, with no power/AC/toilets OR food), and a couple of ports to visit, and get a chance to try again for free. I'd be happy with that! Yea, they did get a hell of a deal. Considering when our cruise to Bermuda back in September ended up going to Port Canaveral and a half day at GSC we got zero. I would have much rather been on the Epic sailing LOL 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reader0108598 Posted February 15, 2019 #216 Share Posted February 15, 2019 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Laszlo said: Yea, they did get a hell of a deal. Considering when our cruise to Bermuda back in September ended up going to Port Canaveral and a half day at GSC we got zero. I would have much rather been on the Epic sailing LOL Yes they did , we did Jewel of the seas out of San Juan PR after the Hurricane. My husband is from Cayey PR it was his 70th Birthday. Royal would not let us cancel. took four hotels canceling before we found one . When we got on board found out through a local resident they basicly gave the cruise away to locals. We paid good money a year in advance! Also gave them free drink Package! My husband is a mild mannered man never ever confronts anyone ,he got into it with rude pushy people more times than I can count. One lady shoved me to get her kid in line at the buffet .We had done this cruise once before never again. Royal could have cared less. Worse cruise we have ever taken. On the bright side we had wonderful balcony neighbors! I think NCL did A good job!! Edited February 15, 2019 by Reader0108598 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggooglyboogly Posted February 15, 2019 #217 Share Posted February 15, 2019 11 hours ago, anthonyg1996 said: Who is the captain he should be fired Strongly disagree - if he is found to be grossly negligent, he'll be disciplined. They will be able to scrutinize everything about this approach. Ships are equipped with voyage data recorders (similar to black boxes on airplanes) so they'll know everything said on the bridge, and they'll have all the RADAR / ECDIS (chart plotter) / weather / Azipod angle & speed / various other information so they'll know EXACTLY what happened. Berthing is always dangerous, the ship is one giant sail, one gust in the wrong direction could theoretically push the ship against a pier even if a captain does everything perfectly. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare www3traveler Posted February 15, 2019 #218 Share Posted February 15, 2019 12 minutes ago, ggooglyboogly said: Strongly disagree - if he is found to be grossly negligent, he'll be disciplined. They will be able to scrutinize everything about this approach. Ships are equipped with voyage data recorders (similar to black boxes on airplanes) so they'll know everything said on the bridge, and they'll have all the RADAR / ECDIS (chart plotter) / weather / Azipod angle & speed / various other information so they'll know EXACTLY what happened. Berthing is always dangerous, the ship is one giant sail, one gust in the wrong direction could theoretically push the ship against a pier even if a captain does everything perfectly. THANK YOU Agreed berthing is very scary no matter the port. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger-pr Posted February 15, 2019 #219 Share Posted February 15, 2019 20 hours ago, coscab said: Epic is sailing out of PR winter of 2019-2020, I wonder if the locals will be a little nervous each time she returns😱 Well at least the dock she will be using then will be a straight shot in, not much turning (unless she does a 180 degree turn to come in reverse) and straight into the wind. Oh and no dock extensions either...hahaha. She could inadvertently keep going and run into the marina a few hundred yards away, though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johare Posted February 15, 2019 #220 Share Posted February 15, 2019 Saw someone post elsewhere that they are still heading for Freeport this evening and aren't expected to be back at PC until 5pm Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnac767 Posted February 15, 2019 #221 Share Posted February 15, 2019 7 hours ago, chengkp75 said: All the generators send power to two separate busses (yes, that is the correct term), that are then connected together into one common bus. The generators in one engine room feed one bus, and the generators in the other engine room feed the other bus. In normal situations the busses are joined together, but if there is a problem with one engine room (fire) or with one bus, they can be separated and still maintain power to all services, but large consumers like the propulsion and AC will only get half power. As I've said, Epic was designed when azipods were having their teething problems, so NCL decided to go back to tried and true technology. Many people think that ships with shafted props and rudders are less maneuverable than azipods, but this really isn't the case. Azipods are used for two primary reasons: they can provide about a 10% increase in efficiency, and they cost way less in capital expense than the cost of the shafted propulsion, rudders and stern thrusters. A ship handler who knows how to "split the screws" (run one propeller ahead while the other runs astern) to turn the ship, knows how Becker rudders can act like stern thrusters, and knows how to properly use bow and stern thrusters can maneuver a ship just as neatly and efficiently as the same ship equipped with azipods. Great stuff, Cheng. I appreciate your insight. Getting underway and coming into port were two of the most hair raising opportunities when I was on carriers. I've found the contrast with how it's done in the cruise industry quite enlightening. In Cadiz last April on Epic, it took six tugs to get us off the pier, as there was a Levanter blowing at 30 knots, right on our beam and pinning us to the pier. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinIllinois Posted February 15, 2019 #222 Share Posted February 15, 2019 8 minutes ago, Carnac767 said: Great stuff, Cheng. I appreciate your insight. Getting underway and coming into port were two of the most hair raising opportunities when I was on carriers. I've found the contrast with how it's done in the cruise industry quite enlightening. In Cadiz last April on Epic, it took six tugs to get us off the pier, as there was a Levanter blowing at 30 knots, right on our beam and pinning us to the pier. I learned a new word today. 🙂 le·vant·er1 Dictionary result for levanter /ləˈvan(t)ər/ noun noun: levanter; plural noun: levanters a strong easterly wind in the Mediterranean region. "strong levanters can cause squalls in Gibraltar bay" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coscab Posted February 15, 2019 #223 Share Posted February 15, 2019 25 minutes ago, johare said: Saw someone post elsewhere that they are still heading for Freeport this evening and aren't expected to be back at PC until 5pm Saturday. Could you tell us where you saw this, we are on tomorrows sailing and would like to know if she is going to be late, would leave late and stop for lunch somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare www3traveler Posted February 15, 2019 #224 Share Posted February 15, 2019 Just checked Norwegian's website, as of Now there is NO WARNING ALERT posted for tomorrow's cruise. If the there was late arrival or late boarding time, it would be posted there. NCL is really good about posting ALERT notices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare mking8288 Posted February 15, 2019 #225 Share Posted February 15, 2019 (edited) I've been trying to monitor quietly, just back within AIS tracking again, not going faster than 14 knots, assuming it is accurate. Maybe some one currently on board can advise, I really don't want to speculate beyond ... (ship's live navigation channel, #21 usually, displays headings, coordiantes & other details) I would expect the ship to be pushing it a little faster, if they could. Still some distance from Nassau & Freeport ... and PC. Fingers crossed Edited February 15, 2019 by mking8288 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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