Environmentally Friendly Changes

[GUT2407]

1 hour ago, AmazedByCruising said:

 

All ships combined can host 550,000 pax, but that includes Europeans, Australians, Chinese. So at most 0.17% but when you subtract the non-US clientele it must be less. That's a lot smaller than 1%. So yes, if you absolutely don't want to be infected by Noro, it is wise to stay away from ships as your chances of being infected would go up.

 

Also stay away from hotels, casinos, nursing homes, malls, conventions and performances. And day care, offices. Oh, and bars and buses and trains. And planes and schools. Actually, staying away from people in general is the safest option.

But each ship sails multiple times a year

[AmazedByCruising]

45 minutes ago, The Mikado said:

But it rather than argue about how likely I am to get sick on a ship, let’s leave it at this: I do not want to eat from a communal trough of ANYTHING.

 

Then, don't come up with "wide-spread illnesses" on ships. Just say you think it's gross. Having seen how some guests have, I would agree. 

[chengkp75]

23 minutes ago, AmazedByCruising said:

 

Usually, you explain and I learn something. Now I'm completely confused . The 1 in 8 is way too much, a ship with 2500 pax doesn't have an average of 300 pax sick. The 1% you mentioned is not 1% of the 8% cruising population but 1% of the whole population.

 

How did 99% of the non cruising population have Noro?  

 

Anyway, I think we're talking about the metric "how much chance do I have to contract Noro today", and then it doesn't matter (much, except when people would get immune or learn to wash their hands) if it's the same population on the ship for the whole year, or if the population is changed weekly. It's just "how many wake up on a ship and contract Noro that day" and "how many wake up anywhere else and contract Noro that day", and in that case, on average, it's better to wake up somewhere else.

 

 

 

Bad day, other things on my mind, forget my math.  I am just disputing that cruise lines have a "history of wide-spread diseases".  Let me just say that if I cruise and have a 1% chance of getting noro, but have a 99% chance of getting it somewhere else, as noted above in places like hospitals, nursing homes, etc, I'd say I'm safer on the ship than anywhere else.

[AmazedByCruising]

 

 

9 minutes ago, chengkp75 said:

Bad day, other things on my mind, forget my math.  I am just disputing that cruise lines have a "history of wide-spread diseases".  Let me just say that if I cruise and have a 1% chance of getting noro, but have a 99% chance of getting it somewhere else, as noted above in places like hospitals, nursing homes, etc, I'd say I'm safer on the ship than anywhere else.

 

I totally agree and hope tomorrow is a better day!

[AmazedByCruising]

22 hours ago, neverbeenhere said:

I will take on half of the scientific study. A battery of the size used in the medallions will not be around in 9030. If it is placed into the local landfill, it will most likely have degraded in 50 years or less. While there will be residual chemicals existing, they shouldn’t be in highly dangerous levels unless you bury all of your 100’s of cruise medallions in one spot. 

 

Burning straws, that is another question. But I think the issue with the straws is not burning them. But who knows. 

 

It's encased in plastic which needs to degrade before the battery starts rusting. 

Anyway, millions upon millions of people are cruising. If they all get a medallion, it's hard to bring them to different places so the people in 9030 won't notice.

[Lindaru]

16 minutes ago, The Mikado said:

Not everyone wants to go on a cruise--or anywhere else, for that matter--where they're responsible for keeping track of their "beverage container"--since, obviously, it's going to have to hold everything from soup to coffee to beer to Coke--and making sure it's cleaned out to hold the next round of whatever. Just the same way, I don't want to have to carry and launder my personal napkin, or wash out my reusable straw, knife, fork, and spoon just because a bunch of meddlers have determined that WE WILL HAVE REUSABLES NO MATTER THE EFFICACY!!!

 

First of all, I personally do not mind rinsing out my straw and drink cup which go all over the ship with me.  Do I think that has to be the standard for everyone?  Not as long as they have free choice.  Do what you want, I say!

However, if a cruise line decides to change up the requirements and regulations for what you can or cannot do while on that ship, it is something we either have to decide to abide by or not cruise.  I think of it a lot like not going into a restaurant or store with "no shirt, no shoes, no service", which by the way is more of a health concern as to why that was instituted.

Whether you believe the environmentalists are correct in what we need to do to preserve this planet, or concerns about disease spreading, or just blowing smoke out our stacks, we are at the mercy of whatever changes are decided upon and instituted.  I personally will do whatever I feel is right for the environment and the health of others unless I no longer wish to abide by those regulations and move on to other cruise lines or vacation types.  Freedom of choice.
 

[The Mikado]

2 minutes ago, Lindaru said:

Freedom of choice...

I agree.

 

Sadly, that is exactly what's being removed from the equation every day.

[Ombud]

Freedom of choice is NOT being removed. But environmental friendly changes are coming. For those who find it difficult, weigh in with your pocketbook and explore vacation opportunities more to your tastes. Your dollars = your choice

[The Mikado]

12 minutes ago, Ombud said:

Freedom of choice is NOT being removed. But environmental friendly changes are coming. For those who find it difficult, weigh in with your pocketbook and explore vacation opportunities more to your tastes. Your dollars = your choice

The only "freedom" we will be left with is to cruise or not. I hope the cruise lines get this before they go too far down the virtue-signalling path.

[Ombud]

1 minute ago, The Mikado said:

The only "freedom" we will be left with is to cruise or not. I hope the cruise lines get this before they go too far down the virtue-signalling path.

Exactly!

 

Will there be others who will choose lines based on environmentally conscious decisions, LNG, & https://hospitalitytech.com/princess-cruise-ship-replace-onboard-incinerator-sustainable-waste-disposal-solution-wartsila ? Time will tell

[MsSoCalCruiser]

OP here... I was only trying to share some information NOT start a war.  Admin can we please turn my thread off now.  Thank you.