Qcruise Posted October 30, 2019 #1 Share Posted October 30, 2019 So I kept hearing on these boards as I asked about a "back to back" we were thinking about next April from the Koningsdam 4 day San Diego to Vancouver then over to the Oosterdam overnight to Seattle, that we had better ask HAL if we could do that. I called this week to find out that yes....the "Jones Act" would prohibit such a plan. I guess if the Oosterdam left the next day with one night staying in Vancouver we could do it. I don't understand it but it would have taken care of our transportation back to Seattle where flights are cheaper and easier to get home and we could visit our kids. So now it's two nights at our timeshare in Vancouver with accompanying meals and entertainment added costs and flights out of Vancouver to LAX instead of direct into Long Beach or Orange County .....but, hey we're on vacation so we'll roll with it.......there are worse problems to have......:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CruiserBruce Posted October 30, 2019 #2 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Its not the Jones Act, its the PSVA...easy to remember...the "P" stands for "Passenger". Jones Act is about cargo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qcruise Posted October 30, 2019 Author #3 Share Posted October 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, CruiserBruce said: Its not the Jones Act, its the PSVA...easy to remember...the "P" stands for "Passenger". Jones Act is about cargo. OK well thanks for the clarification, but either way we're not jumping aboard the Oosterdam that day.....looking forward to trying out HAL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knittinggirl Posted October 30, 2019 #4 Share Posted October 30, 2019 PSVA can be a pain in the neck. Last year, we actually did San Diego to Vancouver then Seattle. But we spent a night in Vancouver before boarding a new ship for Seattle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmoo here Posted October 30, 2019 #5 Share Posted October 30, 2019 20 minutes ago, Qcruise said: So I kept hearing on these boards as I asked about a "back to back" we were thinking about next April from the Koningsdam 4 day San Diego to Vancouver then over to the Oosterdam overnight to Seattle, that we had better ask HAL if we could do that. I called this week to find out that yes....the "Jones Act" would prohibit such a plan. I guess if the Oosterdam left the next day with one night staying in Vancouver we could do it. I don't understand it but it would have taken care of our transportation back to Seattle where flights are cheaper and easier to get home and we could visit our kids. So now it's two nights at our timeshare in Vancouver with accompanying meals and entertainment added costs and flights out of Vancouver to LAX instead of direct into Long Beach or Orange County .....but, hey we're on vacation so we'll roll with it.......there are worse problems to have......:) Call again. If the two cruises are on different ships, it's certainly legal to do them. The PVSA only applies to B2B cruises on the same ship that would make the total cruise be from one US port to another. Since you're departing from San Diego to Vancouver on one ship, and moving to a different ship for the Vancouver to Seattle cruise, it's totally allowable. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
towhee Posted October 30, 2019 #6 Share Posted October 30, 2019 You could take a shuttle from Vancouver to SEA and fly out from there (it takes about 4 hours). Schedule a late afternoon or early evening flight and you'll be in your own bed that night. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oakman58 Posted October 30, 2019 #7 Share Posted October 30, 2019 I believe Schmoo here gave you the correct answer. Not a violation of the PVSA. Call again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knittinggirl Posted October 30, 2019 #8 Share Posted October 30, 2019 We've done this approach several times in different ports. For the trip to Vancouver, we've stayed in the Pan Pacific. It's next door to the cruise port. The porters get your bags out of your hotel room, and they appear on the ship. For it to be legal w/ PSVA on the same ship, you'd need to visit a distant foreign port. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krazy Kruizers Posted October 30, 2019 #9 Share Posted October 30, 2019 I have read here where several people did what you are planning. You are on 2 different ships. It will work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knittinggirl Posted October 30, 2019 #10 Share Posted October 30, 2019 (edited) We're on the Eurodam FLL via Panama Canal to Vancouver, then Seattle. I wonder if weather causes Columbia to get cancelled. Will they kick us off the ship in Vancouver to comply with the PSVA? Edited October 30, 2019 by knittinggirl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmoo here Posted October 30, 2019 #11 Share Posted October 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, knittinggirl said: We're on the Eurodam FLL via Panama Canal to Vancouver, then Seattle. I wonder if weather causes Columbia to get cancelled. Will they kick us off the ship in Vancouver to comply with the PSVA? Typically, if there are extenuating circumstances, they will waiver any violations. What sort of weather are they expecting in Columbia that you think it will cancel the stop? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knittinggirl Posted October 30, 2019 #12 Share Posted October 30, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Shmoo here said: Typically, if there are extenuating circumstances, they will waiver any violations. What sort of weather are they expecting in Columbia that you think it will cancel the stop? It's a hypothetical question. It's just that we lost two ports on our recent Voyage of the Vikings. Fortunately, that cruise didn't have any problem with the PSVA. We started and ended in the same port. Princess had engine trouble for a round trip Hawaii from California, and lost most of Hawaii. Still they had to stop in Ensenada. I would have preferred replacing Ensenada with a port in Hawaii. Edited October 30, 2019 by knittinggirl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmoo here Posted October 30, 2019 #13 Share Posted October 30, 2019 6 minutes ago, knittinggirl said: It's a hypothetical question. It's just that we lost two ports on our recent Voyage of the Vikings. Fortunately, that cruise didn't have any problem with the PSVA. We started and ended in the same port. Princess had engine trouble for a round trip Hawaii from California, and lost most of Hawaii. Still they had to stop in Ensenada. I would have preferred replacing Ensenada with a port in Hawaii. Well, Voyage of the Vikings is mostly northern Atlantic, right? More weather issues there at this time of year. As to the Ensenada stop, they have to stop at a foreign port, so I would doubt they could substitute that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knittinggirl Posted October 30, 2019 #14 Share Posted October 30, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, Shmoo here said: Well, Voyage of the Vikings is mostly northern Atlantic, right? More weather issues there at this time of year. As to the Ensenada stop, they have to stop at a foreign port, so I would doubt they could substitute that one. But Pride of America circles Hawaii never visiting a foreign port. But I hear they have a US crew. Edited October 30, 2019 by knittinggirl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmoo here Posted October 30, 2019 #15 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Just now, knittinggirl said: But Pride of America circles Hawaii never visiting a foreign port. But I hear they have a US crew. Pride of America is US flagged. A US flagged ship doesn't have to stop at a foreign port. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted October 30, 2019 #16 Share Posted October 30, 2019 55 minutes ago, knittinggirl said: But Pride of America circles Hawaii never visiting a foreign port. But I hear they have a US crew. Yes, and since the POA is US flag (as well as US crew) it is "PVSA compliant" and can make coastwise voyages without the need for a foreign port. For the OP, the information you received from HAL is 100% incorrect, since by taking two ships, you are on two voyages, regardless of whether they disembark/embark on the same day. PVSA applies only to a ship, not a cruise line, so each ship's voyage is legal under the PVSA, and you are combining two ships, so your plans are completely legal. Kick this to a supervisor. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CruiserBruce Posted October 30, 2019 #17 Share Posted October 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, knittinggirl said: But Pride of America circles Hawaii never visiting a foreign port. But I hear they have a US crew. Pride of America is a US flagged ship...entirely different from virtually all other cruise ships. They meet all requirements that foreign flagged ships don't. If your ship misses Colombia (no 'u' for the South American country) exemptions would most likely be granted. Aruba also meets the "distant foreign ports" rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwega Posted October 30, 2019 #18 Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Qcruise said: So I kept hearing on these boards as I asked about a "back to back" we were thinking about next April from the Koningsdam 4 day San Diego to Vancouver then over to the Oosterdam overnight to Seattle, that we had better ask HAL if we could do that. I called this week to find out that yes....the "Jones Act" would prohibit such a plan. I guess if the Oosterdam left the next day with one night staying in Vancouver we could do it. I don't understand it but it would have taken care of our transportation back to Seattle where flights are cheaper and easier to get home and we could visit our kids. So now it's two nights at our timeshare in Vancouver with accompanying meals and entertainment added costs and flights out of Vancouver to LAX instead of direct into Long Beach or Orange County .....but, hey we're on vacation so we'll roll with it.......there are worse problems to have......:) Are there other lines that do the one night? We took Eurodam Seattle to Vancouver then got on Princess and did west coast ending in LA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qcruise Posted October 30, 2019 Author #19 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Well, thanks to all of you I called again and spoke with Amy at HAL who informed me that because we're going from one ship to another we are fine and can book the Oosterdam. I'm kind of surprised that a rep from HAL gave us bad information especially as they would send a customer away from booking a cruise. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmoo here Posted October 30, 2019 #20 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Just now, Qcruise said: Well, thanks to all of you I called again and spoke with Amy at HAL who informed me that because we're going from one ship to another we are fine and can book the Oosterdam. I'm kind of surprised that a rep from HAL gave us bad information especially as they would send a customer away from booking a cruise. If it's just one of the people who answer the phone, it's not rare that they would be mis-informed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catl331 Posted October 30, 2019 #21 Share Posted October 30, 2019 2 hours ago, CruiserBruce said: Its not the Jones Act, its the PSVA Actually it's the PVSA 😄 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catl331 Posted October 30, 2019 #22 Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 hour ago, knittinggirl said: I wonder if weather causes Columbia to get cancelled. Will they kick us off the ship in Vancouver to comply with the PSVA? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuthC Posted October 30, 2019 #23 Share Posted October 30, 2019 48 minutes ago, Qcruise said: I'm kind of surprised that a rep from HAL gave us bad information Oh, don't ever be surprised if a HAL rep gives you bad information. It happens all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sail7seas Posted October 31, 2019 #24 Share Posted October 31, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, Qcruise said: OK well thanks for the clarification, but either way we're not jumping aboard the Oosterdam that day.....looking forward to trying out HAL. 4 hours ago, RuthC said: Oh, don't ever be surprised if a HAL rep gives you bad information. It happens all the time. 4 hours ago, RuthC said: Oh, don't ever be surprised if a HAL rep gives you bad information. It happens all the time. YES, sadly, so true Jones Act, PVS A We are so lucky to have our laptops and , tablets, phones ......computers to use for easy, easy, easy research Google knows just about everything Edited October 31, 2019 by sail7seas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAllenTCY Posted October 31, 2019 #25 Share Posted October 31, 2019 This dialog has come up often....and the end result has been consistent over recent years on CC. You cannot sail from one US port to another US port......doesn't matter two ships.....nor even two cruise lines same day. What matters is that you must spend overnight in Canada between the two voyages. Your Canadian immigration form will need to be completed within 24 hrs of your departure from San Diego and either collected in the terminal or onboard at the Guest Services desk. Holland America will not risk you denied boarding on the second leg. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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