leerathje Posted January 26, 2020 #1 Share Posted January 26, 2020 Taking away sweetener packets isn't going to fix this. L. https://www.miamiherald.com/news/business/tourism-cruises/article239089503.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare ski ww Posted January 26, 2020 #2 Share Posted January 26, 2020 If they keep polluting they should be denied entry into the harbour, that will hit them in the pocket book. If the Captains of the ships know that it's wrong, why do they keep polluting the waters, hold them responsible. Or better still hold the CEO personally responsible. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bozemanman Posted January 26, 2020 #3 Share Posted January 26, 2020 Explains why CCL stock has been tanking when everything else is at record territory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatcat04 Posted January 26, 2020 #4 Share Posted January 26, 2020 From an article linked in the posted article. Not good but at least not intentional and covered up as has happened in the past. "On Thursday morning, while the company’s Carnival Elation cruise ship was docked, a gray water valve “failed and unintentionally discharged gray water from non-sewage waste water systems,” a company spokesperson said in a statement. Around 5,900 gallons of untreated gray water spilled into the ocean, the Florida Department of Environmental Protection confirmed. The spill happened when the ship was discharging water from its ballast system to stabilize it, Carnival said. Port Canaveral authorities told the Orlando Sentinel that no cleanup was necessary. The ship continued on its scheduled four-day cruise Thursday afternoon. " https://www.miamiherald.com/news/business/tourism-cruises/article238937103.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinkkong Posted January 26, 2020 #5 Share Posted January 26, 2020 One always has to wonder though, if truly accidental or 'accidently-on-purpose'. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krazy Kruizers Posted January 26, 2020 #6 Share Posted January 26, 2020 9 minutes ago, Pinkkong said: One always has to wonder though, if truly accidental or 'accidently-on-purpose'. I was thinking the same thing. Only time will tell. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquahound Posted January 26, 2020 #7 Share Posted January 26, 2020 I don't know what the heck is going on at Carnival Corp, but this is way beyond the point of ridiculous. They keep throwing smoke and mirrors at customers saying they are saving the world by eliminating straws and sugar packets while behind the scenes, they keep illegally dumping.....whether it's Westerdam in Glacier Bay, Elation in Port Canaveral, etc, etc, etc. 😡 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocketMan275 Posted February 19, 2020 #8 Share Posted February 19, 2020 It would appear that Carnival isn't the only one guilty of mismanaging waste water. This is probably much more of danger: https://www.foxnews.com/us/fort-lauderdale-mayor-seeks-state-federal-aid-after-211m-gallons-of-sewage-leaks-from-pipes-into-streets-drinking-water 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NordicPrince Posted February 19, 2020 #9 Share Posted February 19, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, RocketMan275 said: It would appear that Carnival isn't the only one guilty of mismanaging waste water. This is probably much more of danger: https://www.foxnews.com/us/fort-lauderdale-mayor-seeks-state-federal-aid-after-211m-gallons-of-sewage-leaks-from-pipes-into-streets-drinking-water What this has to do with anything cruise related is beyond me. The Fort Lauderdale situation is 50 years in the making. Edited February 19, 2020 by NordicPrince add 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunelm Posted February 19, 2020 #10 Share Posted February 19, 2020 I always thought that Holland America was a line that took environmental protection seriously. But, let's face it, if we really cared about protecting our planet, we would not fly planes, take cruises, or drive certain vehicles. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocketMan275 Posted February 19, 2020 #11 Share Posted February 19, 2020 1 hour ago, NordicPrince said: What this has to do with anything cruise related is beyond me. The Fort Lauderdale situation is 50 years in the making. You've never cruised from FLL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NordicPrince Posted February 19, 2020 #12 Share Posted February 19, 2020 1 hour ago, RocketMan275 said: You've never cruised from FLL? The OP posted about the discharge of grey water from a Carnival ship. That is related to a cruise ship. The situation in Fort Lauderdale is a municipal problem that has nothing to do with cruise ships discharging grey water. One has nothing to do with the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAD2005 Posted February 19, 2020 #13 Share Posted February 19, 2020 4 hours ago, Dunelm said: I always thought that Holland America was a line that took environmental protection seriously. But, let's face it, if we really cared about protecting our planet, we would not fly planes, take cruises, or drive certain vehicles. You're right, I'm holding off on all travel until they complete that rail tunnel to Hawaii and the other tunnel to Europe. That should be right around to corner. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunelm Posted February 21, 2020 #14 Share Posted February 21, 2020 On 2/19/2020 at 3:12 PM, NordicPrince said: The OP posted about the discharge of grey water from a Carnival ship. That is related to a cruise ship. The situation in Fort Lauderdale is a municipal problem that has nothing to do with cruise ships discharging grey water. One has nothing to do with the other. Actually, I think pollution from any source anywhere is a part of a whole. Our planet increasingly is polluted and, to some extent, we are all to blame. There are little adjustments, though, to our lifestyle that could help--avoid plastic, recycle, recycle, recycle, and so on. A few weeks ago, a warning was sent out from a country's chemical society (never happened before) that minerals used for I-Phones, Computers, and the like will not be available in a hundred years' time. If we care about future generations we should heed such warnings by recycling, and refusing to buy the latest models. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkacruiser Posted February 22, 2020 #15 Share Posted February 22, 2020 On 1/26/2020 at 2:35 AM, leerathje said: Taking away sweetener packets isn't going to fix this. I don't understand the reasoning for posting this about the removal of sweetener packets, particularly Splenda (as compared to other brands), on some HAL ships and not others. The OP's post was concerned about CCL's compliance with environmental regulations. At least, that is what I read. What does the need for a guest to "seek in the Lido and specifically require from Room Service that packets of Splenda be served with the order for coffee" have much to do with compliance or non-compliance with environmental regulations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquahound Posted February 22, 2020 #16 Share Posted February 22, 2020 1 hour ago, rkacruiser said: I don't understand the reasoning for posting this about the removal of sweetener packets, particularly Splenda (as compared to other brands), on some HAL ships and not others. The OP's post was concerned about CCL's compliance with environmental regulations. At least, that is what I read. What does the need for a guest to "seek in the Lido and specifically require from Room Service that packets of Splenda be served with the order for coffee" have much to do with compliance or non-compliance with environmental regulations? Because Holland America (all of Carnival Corp actually) is on an Environmental Compliance Plan...aka federal probation...for their role in recent dumping incidents. The action of eliminating sugar packets, straws, etc, are an effort to comply with the probation. So basically, sugar packets are gone as a result of their dumping. Kinda sad when you let that sink in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkacruiser Posted February 23, 2020 #17 Share Posted February 23, 2020 21 hours ago, Aquahound said: Because Holland America (all of Carnival Corp actually) is on an Environmental Compliance Plan...aka federal probation...for their role in recent dumping incidents. The action of eliminating sugar packets, straws, etc, are an effort to comply with the probation. So basically, sugar packets are gone as a result of their dumping. Kinda sad when you let that sink in. Thanks for your post. Sad? Yes, I agree. As the Federal Judge, I am not sure that I would equate the routine elimination of sugar packets, etc. as an equivalent measure to compensate for the dumping that CCL branded ships have been found guilty of doing. Is it an attempt of showing "we are trying to meet the terms of our probation, your Honor"? Yes. But do packets of Splenda, Equal, Sugar, and Sweet n' Low that happen to fall overboard make a significant difference in the pollution of the oceans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awhcruiser Posted February 23, 2020 #18 Share Posted February 23, 2020 Ill bring my own sweetener...No problem 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy2x Posted February 23, 2020 #19 Share Posted February 23, 2020 Just off Koningsdam. Plenty of Splenda and similar stuff. No noticeable change from last year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquahound Posted February 23, 2020 #20 Share Posted February 23, 2020 17 hours ago, awhcruiser said: Ill bring my own sweetener...No problem It's pretty sad when you need to take your own sweetener on a cruise. 🙄 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awhcruiser Posted February 23, 2020 #21 Share Posted February 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Aquahound said: It's pretty sad when you need to take your own sweetener on a cruise. 🙄 Yes....But thankfully weight isnt a problem! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkacruiser Posted February 23, 2020 #22 Share Posted February 23, 2020 19 hours ago, awhcruiser said: Ill bring my own sweetener...No problem I was not implying that packets of a sweetener are not available. They are, but on the Eurodam, the guest had to look for them in the beverage area and request them if ordering Room Service. On the Volendam, the packets were on the tables in the Lido Restaurant and on the Room Service trays. If removing the packets is a way of CCL trying to show the Federal Court that it is working to meet its Environmental Compliance Plan, then, why the inconsistency of what one ship is doing as compared to another? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunelm Posted February 23, 2020 #23 Share Posted February 23, 2020 1 hour ago, rkacruiser said: I was not implying that packets of a sweetener are not available. They are, but on the Eurodam, the guest had to look for them in the beverage area and request them if ordering Room Service. On the Volendam, the packets were on the tables in the Lido Restaurant and on the Room Service trays. If removing the packets is a way of CCL trying to show the Federal Court that it is working to meet its Environmental Compliance Plan, then, why the inconsistency of what one ship is doing as compared to another? How fortunate for you that this is an issue! Wishing you sweet sailing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkacruiser Posted February 23, 2020 #24 Share Posted February 23, 2020 11 minutes ago, Dunelm said: How fortunate for you that this is an issue! Wishing you sweet sailing. My issue is HAL's inconsistency of what one's cruise experience is from ship to ship. This "issue" has been one on which I, as well as others, have made comments for several years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare *Miss G* Posted February 23, 2020 #25 Share Posted February 23, 2020 2 hours ago, rkacruiser said: If removing the packets is a way of CCL trying to show the Federal Court that it is working to meet its Environmental Compliance Plan, then, why the inconsistency of what one ship is doing as compared to another? I am guessing they are using up inventory. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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