Son of Anarchy Posted April 29, 2020 #26 Share Posted April 29, 2020 4 minutes ago, Son of Anarchy said: I have to admit, I did many years ago own a Suzuki bike! Saw the light, and only owned Triumphs since. Just realised, being a Triumph owner must mean I'm a Little Englander or White Anglo-Saxon Protestant! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowzz Posted April 29, 2020 #27 Share Posted April 29, 2020 8 minutes ago, Son of Anarchy said: Just realised, being a Triumph owner must mean I'm a Little Englander or White Anglo-Saxon Protestant! I had a Vespa - not sure what that makes me? A lover rather than a racer I suppose! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercury7289 Posted April 29, 2020 #28 Share Posted April 29, 2020 21 minutes ago, wowzz said: I had a Vespa - not sure what that makes me? A lover rather than a racer I suppose! A Target! 🎯 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esprit Posted April 30, 2020 #29 Share Posted April 30, 2020 14 hours ago, Selbourne said: Oh dear. I’ve had loads of BMW’s over the years. I’m now worried that I might be hauled up in front of a war crimes tribunal. I've never owned a German car or want one. Nothing against them. Their brands just never appealed to me. I suppose I'll be accused of being right wing for having a British car! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillieJeanKaraokeKing Posted April 30, 2020 #30 Share Posted April 30, 2020 10 minutes ago, Esprit said: I suppose I'll be accused of being right wing for having a British car! You mean such a thing still exists? 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowzz Posted April 30, 2020 #31 Share Posted April 30, 2020 1 minute ago, BillieJeanKaraokeKing said: You mean such a thing still exists? 😂 Depends if you mean a car made in Britain (thousands a week) or a car made by a British owned company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Peterson Posted April 30, 2020 #32 Share Posted April 30, 2020 Just now, BillieJeanKaraokeKing said: You mean such a thing still exists? 😂 News to me. Unless you count Morgan and the like. I thought we just assembled parts these days. A sad reflection on the British motor industry, destroyed by the unions and appalling management in the post-war period. And to think we were offered Volkswagen but turned it down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Eddie99 Posted April 30, 2020 #33 Share Posted April 30, 2020 Back to the Daily Mail, Rothermere and Nazism Here’s a really good, brief article by Roy Greenslade, interestingly enough published in The Guardian. https://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2011/dec/06/dailymail-oswald-mosley The facts are there - it’s time to bury the 80 year old mantra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowzz Posted April 30, 2020 #34 Share Posted April 30, 2020 12 minutes ago, Harry Peterson said: News to me. Unless you count Morgan and the like. I thought we just assembled parts these days. A sad reflection on the British motor industry, destroyed by the unions and appalling management in the post-war period. And to think we were offered Volkswagen but turned it down. The UK is a major car exporter these days. Given the ways multinationals operate, you can never tell where your car is being produced. Look at how many Gernan badged models are not produced in Gernany! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrierjohn Posted April 30, 2020 #35 Share Posted April 30, 2020 37 minutes ago, Esprit said: I've never owned a German car or want one. Nothing against them. Their brands just never appealed to me. I suppose I'll be accused of being right wing for having a British car! Not really Lotus is now owned by China's Geely and Malaysia's Etika, so quite cosmopolitan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Selbourne Posted April 30, 2020 #36 Share Posted April 30, 2020 33 minutes ago, Esprit said: I've never owned a German car or want one. Nothing against them. Their brands just never appealed to me. I suppose I'll be accused of being right wing for having a British car! I went for decades without a German car but once I discovered BMW’s I just keep going back to them. I’ve driven literally hundreds of different cars of almost all makes and have never found anything that even comes close to them. It saddens me to say it really as I’d love a British car, but the only ones that appeal to me are £150k and upwards and I wouldn’t be prepared to spend that on a car, even if I could. I’d be terrified to park it anywhere! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Selbourne Posted April 30, 2020 #37 Share Posted April 30, 2020 24 minutes ago, Harry Peterson said: News to me. Unless you count Morgan and the like. I thought we just assembled parts these days. A sad reflection on the British motor industry, destroyed by the unions and appalling management in the post-war period. And to think we were offered Volkswagen but turned it down. Sadly our motor industry wasn’t the only one to be destroyed by the unions, but I’m surprised to hear you of all people say that Harry. Has the lockdown caused you to slightly soften your political leanings? 😏 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zap99 Posted April 30, 2020 #38 Share Posted April 30, 2020 15 hours ago, Selbourne said: Oh dear. I’ve had loads of BMW’s over the years. I’m now worried that I might be hauled up in front of a war crimes tribunal. I have owned Triumph cars and bikes and both vespa &Lambretta scooters. My last 4 cars have been VW&Merc. Not owned a Japanese car/bike, but have a Yamaha guitar. Never did grow up it appears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Peterson Posted April 30, 2020 #39 Share Posted April 30, 2020 5 minutes ago, Selbourne said: Sadly our motor industry wasn’t the only one to be destroyed by the unions, but I’m surprised to hear you of all people say that Harry. Has the lockdown caused you to slightly soften your political leanings? 😏 My political leanings remain the same, but have been very much misjudged by many people here. Just not worth the time and trouble correcting them. I provide the forum with a useful outlet as the local hate figure. 😇 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinglebert Posted April 30, 2020 #40 Share Posted April 30, 2020 51 minutes ago, Eddie99 said: Back to the Daily Mail, Rothermere and Nazism Here’s a really good, brief article by Roy Greenslade, interestingly enough published in The Guardian. https://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2011/dec/06/dailymail-oswald-mosley The facts are there - it’s time to bury the 80 year old mantra The facts are that they supported the Nazi's. The rest is opinion on if it matters or not nowadays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrierjohn Posted April 30, 2020 #41 Share Posted April 30, 2020 53 minutes ago, Dinglebert said: The facts are that they supported the Nazi's. The rest is opinion on if it matters or not nowadays. The then owner did, maybe it should be his heirs that need to answer that, not his serfs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clipper Chick Posted April 30, 2020 #42 Share Posted April 30, 2020 2 hours ago, Harry Peterson said: A sad reflection on the British motor industry, destroyed by the unions and appalling management in the post-war period. I thought I was the only person who thought the unions destroyed the car industry. Maybe I have misjudged you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazrat Posted April 30, 2020 #43 Share Posted April 30, 2020 22 minutes ago, Clipper Chick said: I thought I was the only person who thought the unions destroyed the car industry. Maybe I have misjudged you. before you go down the union bashing route the decline of the British car industry was the lack of investment plus the working conditions were atrocious compared to our European competitors,when you saw the profits being drained to pay shareholder dividends and ever increasing wages of the people in charge it became inevitable those who were actually making the products would want there share,but blame it all on the unions you probably believe the bosses were blameless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cathygh Posted April 30, 2020 #44 Share Posted April 30, 2020 15 minutes ago, Bazrat said: before you go down the union bashing route the decline of the British car industry was the lack of investment plus the working conditions were atrocious compared to our European competitors,when you saw the profits being drained to pay shareholder dividends and ever increasing wages of the people in charge it became inevitable those who were actually making the products would want there share,but blame it all on the unions you probably believe the bosses were blameless. Too true. Worker conditions have improved tremendously in the UK, thanks to Trade Unions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Peterson Posted April 30, 2020 #45 Share Posted April 30, 2020 I think I'll keep out of this before I'm accused of running multiple profiles! However, I did say that it was a combination of the unions and bad management - a recipe for disaster, which is exactly what it proved to be. If only unions and management (and government) could learn to work together in this country, as they do in Germany, rather than constantly fighting for party political reasons we'd be in the healthy financial state that Germany's in instead of the state we're in. I don't recall seeing ten years of austerity cuts in Germany - they have more sense, and realise that cutting investment in the future and infrastructure is economic madness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esprit Posted April 30, 2020 #46 Share Posted April 30, 2020 4 hours ago, BillieJeanKaraokeKing said: You mean such a thing still exists? 😂 Well have owned it for 31 years now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esprit Posted April 30, 2020 #47 Share Posted April 30, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, wowzz said: Depends if you mean a car made in Britain (thousands a week) or a car made by a British owned company. Well it's a British company (incorporated in England & Wales) producing cars in Norfolk situated on a former WWII airfield Edited April 30, 2020 by Esprit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majortom10 Posted April 30, 2020 #48 Share Posted April 30, 2020 4 minutes ago, Esprit said: Well it's a British company producing cars in Norfolk situated on a former WWII airfield Isnt Lotus owned by Zhejiang Geely Holding Group a Chinese Company and Etika a Malaysian Company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Host Hattie Posted April 30, 2020 #49 Share Posted April 30, 2020 7 minutes ago, Esprit said: Well it's a British company (incorporated in England & Wales) producing cars in Norfolk situated on a former WWII airfield With Chinese (51%) & Malaysian (49%) owners, it's about as British as Jaguar Landrover ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CCFC Posted April 30, 2020 #50 Share Posted April 30, 2020 18 hours ago, Son of Anarchy said: Just realised, being a Triumph owner must mean I'm a Little Englander or White Anglo-Saxon Protestant! Triumph was started by a German and had factories in Germany in the early days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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