Rare livingonthebeach Posted June 24, 2020 #1 Share Posted June 24, 2020 Is this a sign of the times, or are 23 ships normally at risk at one time? https://thepointsguy.com/guide/cruise-ship-sold-scrap-list/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare BSR Posted June 24, 2020 #2 Share Posted June 24, 2020 Thanks for the link. That is a lot of ships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMESCC Posted June 24, 2020 #3 Share Posted June 24, 2020 For he life of me I can't understand I can't understand why Empress is still in the Royal Caribbean fleet and it's up in NJ here for part of the year. Not to sound like a snob but no way I would even contemplate sailing on that ship. Sent from my Pixel 4 XL using Tapatalk 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken at the beach Posted June 24, 2020 #4 Share Posted June 24, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, JAMESCC said: For he life of me I can't understand I can't understand why Empress is still in the Royal Caribbean fleet and it's up in NJ here for part of the year. Not to sound like a snob but no way I would even contemplate sailing on that ship. Sent from my Pixel 4 XL using Tapatalk Because she was returned to Royal specifically to sail to Cuba and they are holding out hope that she can resume those sailings after November. Edited June 24, 2020 by Ourusualbeach 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMESCC Posted June 24, 2020 #5 Share Posted June 24, 2020 Because she was returned to Royal specifically to sail to Cuba and they are holding out hope that she can resume those sailings after November. Ah yeah I did hear that. My in laws did a Cuban cruise a few years back and they loved it. It wasn't on empress though. Sent from my Pixel 4 XL using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milwaukee Eight Posted June 24, 2020 #6 Share Posted June 24, 2020 5 minutes ago, Ourusualbeach said: Because she was returned to Royal specifically to sail to Cuba and they are holding out hope that she can resume those sailings after November. Let’s hope not. 😇 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pstone1 Posted June 24, 2020 #7 Share Posted June 24, 2020 5 minutes ago, JAMESCC said: For he life of me I can't understand I can't understand why Empress is still in the Royal Caribbean fleet and it's up in NJ here for part of the year. Not to sound like a snob but no way I would even contemplate sailing on that ship. Sent from my Pixel 4 XL using Tapatalk Empress was scheduled to sail some unique itineraries that included Montreal and Newfoundland. I think those bookings were popular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milwaukee Eight Posted June 24, 2020 #8 Share Posted June 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, JAMESCC said: Ah yeah I did hear that. My in laws did a Cuban cruise a few years back and they loved it. It wasn't on empress though. Sent from my Pixel 4 XL using Tapatalk If Royal, Majesty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMESCC Posted June 24, 2020 #9 Share Posted June 24, 2020 If Royal, Majesty. I think it was a carnival cruise if I remember correctly. Sent from my Pixel 4 XL using Tapatalk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMESCC Posted June 24, 2020 #10 Share Posted June 24, 2020 Empress was scheduled to sail some unique itineraries that included Montreal and Newfoundland. I think those bookings were popular.Yeah they did have really cool itineraries I will say that for Canada but I wouldn't sail on her. Just my preference for bigger ships. Sent from my Pixel 4 XL using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What We Found Travelling Posted June 24, 2020 #11 Share Posted June 24, 2020 Under the circumstances it’s inevitable that ships will be scrapped. How much? I don’t know. But, dumping an old ship for say 10 million plus the savings on outgoings etc. is much better than spending 10 million a month & not cruising with paying passengers. Royal has 28 ships, at the earliest it’ll be 2 years before all 28 are cruising with paying passengers. Royal should get in first before the market is flooded with ships to be scrapped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gatour Posted June 24, 2020 #12 Share Posted June 24, 2020 14 hours ago, livingonthebeach said: Is this a sign of the times, or are 23 ships normally at risk at one time? https://thepointsguy.com/guide/cruise-ship-sold-scrap-list/ It is high, but in the early 90's is when the cruise lines started the ship building spree. Those ships are now approaching 30 years old. Carnival seems to keep their ships longer to serve markets that won't support a larger ship. Jacksonville is an example of this. But they are probably now thinking they have reached the end of their life for the US market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare 20165 Posted June 24, 2020 #13 Share Posted June 24, 2020 wow, talk about an eye opener. I sailed on a lot of ships when they were new in the 90s... hope i dont get retired. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gcelkk Posted June 24, 2020 #14 Share Posted June 24, 2020 So sad to miss my back to back on Empress in May. Wow, to miss docking downtown instead of the navel yard in Bermuda. I love Empress for the unique itinerary’s and great crew. Majesty is a pretty cool ship also. My favorite is the deli. Just a short set of steps up over the buffet, it never seems to be busy. We plan a trip to New Orleans just to sail her again. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoopster95 Posted June 24, 2020 #15 Share Posted June 24, 2020 (edited) Most recent ship movements away from the RCL fleet: Empress ... 1990-2008 = 18 yrs Sovereign ... 1998-2009 = 21 yrs Monarch ... 1991-2013 = 22 yrs Majesty ... 1992-2016 = 24 yrs (was to join Pullmantur) Splendour ... 1995-2016 = 21 yrs Legend ... 1995-2017 = 22 yrs Grandeur ... 1996-2021 = 25 yrs See the picture? I predict Vision Class is gone from the RCL brand due to this economic crisis/pandemic. Current age of the fleet: Enchantment ... 23 yrs old Rhapsody ... 23 yrs old Vision ... 22 yrs old Voyager ... 21 years old Explorer ... 20 years old Radiance & Adventure ... 19 years old Navigator & Brilliance ... 18 years old Serenade & Mariner ... 17 years old Jewel ... 16 years old Edited June 24, 2020 by Hoopster95 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EatonDoolittle Posted June 24, 2020 #16 Share Posted June 24, 2020 I know this is an unpopular reminder on this board, however, IF there is a regime change in the US in November, Cuba cruises would most likely start up again. That would give a bit more useful life to the oldies (Majesty, Empress, Pacific Princess), as they can comfortably fit into the Havana harbor and existing dock. If I were a cruise line decision maker, I would wait until at least then before I put these ships on the chopping block. JMO. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken at the beach Posted June 24, 2020 #17 Share Posted June 24, 2020 8 minutes ago, Hoopster95 said: Most recent ship movements away from the RCL fleet: Empress ... 1990-2008 = 18 yrs Sovereign ... 1998-2009 = 21 yrs Monarch ... 1991-2013 = 22 yrs Majesty ... 1992-2016 = 24 yrs (was to join Pullmantur) Splendour ... 1995-2016 = 21 yrs Legend ... 1995-2017 = 22 yrs Grandeur ... 1996-2021 = 25 yrs See the picture? I predict Vision Class is gone from the RCL brand due to this economic crisis/pandemic. Current age of the fleet: Enchantment ... 23 yrs old Rhapsody ... 23 yrs old Vision ... 22 yrs old Voyager ... 21 years old Explorer ... 20 years old Radiance & Adventure ... 19 years old Navigator & Brilliance ... 18 years old Serenade & Mariner ... 17 years old Jewel ... 16 years old With the Voyageur Class still having many of the modern amenities and the amount that they spent on their amplifications I would say Royal is looking at significantly upping the age that they remain in service to at least the 30 year mark. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare twangster Posted June 24, 2020 #18 Share Posted June 24, 2020 I'm still trying to figure out how The Points Guy became an authority on the cruise industry. As a million miler on a U.S. airline I'm very familiar with the site but it never bothered with the cruise industry until recently. Recently there have been a number of click bait type cruise articles on it. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkvillain Posted June 24, 2020 #19 Share Posted June 24, 2020 I'm still trying to figure out how The Points Guy became an authority on the cruise industry. Lol. Same here. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoopster95 Posted June 24, 2020 #20 Share Posted June 24, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, EatonDoolittle said: I know this is an unpopular reminder on this board, however, IF there is a regime change in the US in November, Cuba cruises would most likely start up again. That would give a bit more useful life to the oldies (Majesty, Empress, Pacific Princess), as they can comfortably fit into the Havana harbor and existing dock. If I were a cruise line decision maker, I would wait until at least then before I put these ships on the chopping block. JMO. What would be the social distancing requirements on a ship the size of Empress? Where would 2000 cruisers go on a ship that size? What are the medical staff requirements and hospitalization areas within the ship if there's a C19 breakout? How big are the staterooms to allow for a quarantine? How many balcony staterooms are there? How much public space is there per passenger? What is the profit margin for RCL? Fein already quoted as saying Oasis Class can break even at 30% capacity, the smaller ships need much more capacity. That was a nice thought, however RCL is not about Cuba... RCL is about having cruisers stay on board their newest/most technologically advanced and innovative ships, taking them to their own private resort locations in order to keep as much money within RCL as possible. Empress = zero innovation. Does not fit whatsoever anything that RCL promote's for their brand. Edited June 24, 2020 by Hoopster95 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoopster95 Posted June 24, 2020 #21 Share Posted June 24, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Ourusualbeach said: With the Voyageur Class still having many of the modern amenities and the amount that they spent on their amplifications I would say Royal is looking at significantly upping the age that they remain in service to at least the 30 year mark. Agreed. Would love to hear what ChengP thinks about this and all the MEGA ships getting over 20 yrs of age with regard to mandatory drydocks, SOLAS, etc. Further, now that they won;t be raking in billions in profits to support purchasing another 10 billion dollar cruise ships over the next decade, I feel new builds will cease to be ordered and they'll likely stretch the age of the current fleet (just like we would do if we get into economic crisis... we drive our older car longer instead of buying a new one). Then again, when was RCL ever linked to common sense? Edited June 24, 2020 by Hoopster95 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkvillain Posted June 24, 2020 #22 Share Posted June 24, 2020 What would be the social distancing requirements on a ship the size of Empress?A maximum of 3 people can use the shower in your room at the same time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoopster95 Posted June 24, 2020 #23 Share Posted June 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Yorkvillain said: A maximum of 3 people can use the shower in your room at the same time. ROFLMAO!! lol I miss seeing your posts and reviews York. Really hope you're doing well 😀 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare John&LaLa Posted June 24, 2020 #24 Share Posted June 24, 2020 31 minutes ago, 20165 said: wow, talk about an eye opener. I sailed on a lot of ships when they were new in the 90s... hope i dont get retired. Not retired, recycled 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken at the beach Posted June 24, 2020 #25 Share Posted June 24, 2020 9 minutes ago, Yorkvillain said: A maximum of 3 people can use the shower in your room at the same time. Heck, on Empress it’s hard enough to get 3 in a cabin let alone the shower. 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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