Is this the beginning of the great reset?

[Shidah]

I have no issues with the restrictions described in the video.  I wear a mask 10 hours a day, I am so accustomed to it, I don’t even realize it is there anymore.  As long as bars are open, and the casino is open, I’m there.  We like spending time with ourselves anyway and have never used ship pools or hot tubs, other than the spa.  None of the items discussed in the video seemed like that big of a deal..  Realizing that we might spend more time in the room, I booked one of the best rooms on the ship.  As long as the ship sails, I know we will have a blast.

[Outerdog]

On 1/27/2021 at 8:48 AM, winterbliss said:

It seems majority of folks think that what they're told to do by the 'experts' makes sense.

 

Stupid experts, amirite?

[SpainAlien]

The way I see it is that when the cruise lines start up it is likely to be at 50% capacity so it is a good job that some people don't want to cruise under those conditions otherwise they would be over subscribed.

[SOCACRUISEGUY]

On 1/27/2021 at 8:59 AM, ScratchTheRat said:

Well, without being rude. The more people who don't like wearing masks that don't cruise, the better for me!

 

Means I know I'll be sailing with health conscience folks and understand that standing a little further apart and wearing a tiny piece of cloth over their face really won't end the world! We wear sunglasses and hats to avoid the sun, we can wear a mask to avoid a killer virus 🙂

I agree with you 100%. The people who refuse to wear a mask, are people I don’t ever want to be around. 

[sammee]

5 hours ago, SOCACRUISEGUY said:

I agree with you 100%. The people who refuse to wear a mask, are people I don’t ever want to be around. 

Seriously? Who's refusing? Try reading this thread again.

[DCGuy64]

1 hour ago, sammee said:

Seriously? Who's refusing? Try reading this thread again.

^^^^ Agreed!

We need to do two things, and the sooner, the better:

1. Stop shaming/slamming people for having different points of view. What I mean is, if you believe in wearing masks 100% of the time, then good for you, but don't insult/demean others who don't. There are many reasons people don't wear masks. Instead of excoriating people, why not ask them why they don't wear them. You might learn something, and learning is a good thing.

2. Don't confuse not wanting to wear a mask with refusing to do so. Personally, I hate wearing a mask. However, I still do so, when it's required. When it's not, off it goes! I could go into the particulars (having to remember to bring one when I take a walk, making sure it's clean, having backups in case it falls to the ground, not being able to see a person's expressions when you speak, the fact that because also wear reading glasses, they fog up when wearing a mask, etc.).

I don't think it's a stretch to say that COVID-19 has been very stressful for everybody. We could all do with a little more kindness and more understanding.

 

 

[Laszlo]

On 1/27/2021 at 9:40 PM, HaveWeMetYet said:

It should not be all the difficult to interpret.

Wearing a mask and all the other restrictions on a trip that cost a lot of money and delivers a nauseating experience has nothing to do with being anti mask.

Like I said, if you are happy doing nothing and being by yourself on a cruise have at it.

BINGO!!!!👍

 

I guess I should have started out this thread saying this not about wearing or not wearing a mask. It's about the restrictions that will most likely be in place when cruising starts back up. 

Edited January 29, 2021 by Laszlo

[RocketMan275]

On 1/27/2021 at 10:59 AM, ScratchTheRat said:

Well, without being rude. The more people who don't like wearing masks that don't cruise, the better for me!

 

Means I know I'll be sailing with health conscience folks and understand that standing a little further apart and wearing a tiny piece of cloth over their face really won't end the world! We wear sunglasses and hats to avoid the sun, we can wear a mask to avoid a killer virus 🙂

It may not be the end of the world but it is the end of cruising for my family.

[RocketMan275]

23 hours ago, ScratchTheRat said:

A Vaccine only protects the person who has had it, it does nothing for others.

 

I can have the vaccine but still carry the virus.

That has not been proven.  

Besides if all on the ship have been vaccinated, then all are protected so masks are irrelevant.  

I'd rather see excursions done in a bubble without contact with those who have not been vaccinated than have to wear a mask on a ship.

[njkate]

1 hour ago, RocketMan275 said:

It may not be the end of the world but it is the end of cruising for my family.

I love cruises, that said I am not spending thousands of dollars to cruise /vacation with a whole bunch of restrictions. I do not want to wear a mask on a cruise, I do not want to be restricted to cruise tours only etc,  I'll wait it out and plan land based for vacations for now. 

 

Those that don't have a problem enjoy!!

[RocketMan275]

1 hour ago, njkate said:

I love cruises, that said I am not spending thousands of dollars to cruise /vacation with a whole bunch of restrictions. I do not want to wear a mask on a cruise, I do not want to be restricted to cruise tours only etc,  I'll wait it out and plan land based for vacations for now. 

 

Those that don't have a problem enjoy!!

It's really a matter of perception.

Some perceive the inconvenience of these protocols to be far outweighed by the joys of cruising.

Others, such as myself and you, perceive things differently.

My take is this: cruising is an option taken for enjoyment.  If cruising is so dangerous that I must wear a mask, etc., then cruising is too dangerous to be considered enjoyable.

Obviously, some disagree.  

[winterbliss]

I find myself wondering more and more, what is it going to take for more people to question what's happening. Months ago 'conspiracy theorists', as they're so readily called, said to be prepared for government run isolation facilities. Trudeau, in Canada, today announced new international travel restrictions including another PCR test on arrival and waiting the 3 days for results at government approved hotel. If test negative, you can spend remainder of quarantine at home with increased surveillance and enforcement. Anyone with a positive test will be immediately quarantined in designated government facility. By the way, doesn't matter whether you were vaccinated or not. My opinion on your topic title question..I believe the great reset is very real. I truly don't mean any disrespect to anyone. 

 

Coronavirus a contageon...yes, but fear seems to be an even bigger contageon. Instill enough fear and....

[bucfan2]

1 hour ago, winterbliss said:

I find myself wondering more and more, what is it going to take for more people to question what's happening. Months ago 'conspiracy theorists', as they're so readily called, said to be prepared for government run isolation facilities. Trudeau, in Canada, today announced new international travel restrictions including another PCR test on arrival and waiting the 3 days for results at government approved hotel. If test negative, you can spend remainder of quarantine at home with increased surveillance and enforcement. Anyone with a positive test will be immediately quarantined in designated government facility. By the way, doesn't matter whether you were vaccinated or not. My opinion on your topic title question..I believe the great reset is very real. I truly don't mean any disrespect to anyone. 

 

Coronavirus a contageon...yes, but fear seems to be an even bigger contageon. Instill enough fear and....

 

Spot on...'stay scared'....

[bmwman]

On 1/27/2021 at 3:10 PM, MsTabbyKats said:

And I have plenty of issues on going on a cruise with all of these changes.  I can stay home and social distance with a mask on etc for free!

Well said I really will not wear the face mask in the stifling heat of the med or anywhere else. The mask has so well across the world not!

[bmwman]

5 hours ago, RocketMan275 said:

It's really a matter of perception.

Some perceive the inconvenience of these protocols to be far outweighed by the joys of cruising.

Others, such as myself and you, perceive things differently.

My take is this: cruising is an option taken for enjoyment.  If cruising is so dangerous that I must wear a mask, etc., then cruising is too dangerous to be considered enjoyable.

Obviously, some disagree.  

Best reply i have read well summed up.

[RocketMan275]

5 hours ago, RocketMan275 said:

It's really a matter of perception.

Some perceive the inconvenience of these protocols to be far outweighed by the joys of cruising.

Others, such as myself and you, perceive things differently.

My take is this: cruising is an option taken for enjoyment.  If cruising is so dangerous that I must wear a mask, etc., then cruising is too dangerous to be considered enjoyable.

Obviously, some disagree.  

 

6 minutes ago, bmwman said:

Best reply i have read well summed up.

There really isn't a right or wrong answer.  It all depends upon your personal perception of the trade-offs between risks and enjoyment.  Different people value things differently.  

 

We've had two cruises cancelled because of the virus and, frankly, we're glad they were cancelled.  We would not have wanted to cruise with these protocols in place.  We have one more cruise scheduled for March 2022.  We will not board ship if we must wear a mask even if cancellation means we lose our deposit.  

[ScratchTheRat]

I will happily board the ship with a mask on. Gimme 😄

[Shayhooper]

On 1/28/2021 at 9:09 AM, beerman2 said:

So true, so in essence as ScratchtheRat says , pax (He) can possibly still get it. Even with the vaccine there is NO guarantee and the RISK is still there.

 

It will all just come down to what people are comfortable with. For those that would sail tomorrow fine, just don't admonish those that don't feel comfortable sailing with the expected conditions. Happens way too often , many CC members think their opinions are the right one.

Exactly this.  

 

It would be one thing if people were saying they were going to cruise and disregard whatever precautions are set in place like masking, social distancing and time limits for hot tub use, but thus far that isn't what I am seeing.  

[NW Pacific]

IMO, masks will be the norm for any vacation destinations and everyday life for many years  to  come!

[bucfan2]

33 minutes ago, NW Pacific said:

IMO, masks will be the norm for any vacation destinations and everyday life for many years  to  come!

I consider Fl a vacation destination....sure hope masks don’t become the norm here. 

[diamondintn]

On 1/27/2021 at 2:14 PM, ScratchTheRat said:

I have three cruises booked. NCL in Sept 21, P&O in Dec 21 and Carnival Transatlantic in Nov 22. Hoping all sail!

I hope you are right, Scratch. If so my March 22 will sail and I REALLY need to cruise!

 

[winterbliss]

On 29/01/2021 at 12:32 AM, Outerdog said:

 

Stupid experts, amirite?

I never said that. Universities receive millions from pharmaceutical companies......Doctors are paid to sit on drug company advisory committees...... media networks receive millions from pharmaceutical advertising on tv....When the only opinions and advice we are permitted to receive on main stream are from experts with a connection to these potential conflict of interests, and governmental agencies as well, it would seem to me that it would be reasonable to fully consider the source.

 

There are other experts with dissenting views. I wish I could see healthy debates between these different viewpoints rather than the perpetual hysteria and fear mongering. I'm a retired RN. I know there is covid. I purchased a pulse oximeter just in case one of us might not be feeling well, due to the prevalence of the puzzling silent hypoxia connected with covid, so I don't have my head in the sand. 

[njkate]

12 hours ago, NW Pacific said:

IMO, masks will be the norm for any vacation destinations and everyday life for many years  to  come!

I was in Gatlingburg last week of September, masks were hit or miss, I live in Savannah and when I go downtown, same thing masks with the tourists are hit or miss

[seaman11]

On 1/27/2021 at 6:15 PM, slavetoabunny said:

They actually expect us to pay for cruising like that??  I know a lot of people are OK with it, I'm just not one that could enjoy myself under those conditions.

Then enjoy staying on the couch, this is the new normal for now. nobody likes it , but im not going to stay home for years waiting. btw this thing could not go away for some time.  i already have been going to casinos and made a trip to mexico , and even with protocols i still had fun.  

[roger001]

The vaccinations are the answer, at least for me.  I'm waiting two weeks from my second shot this next Tues and then heading down to a restaurant for a sit down meal.  Been a year.  Not getting us close to cruising yet, but taking the fear out of the virus for those of us vaccinated.  And even if you are one of the unlucky 5% to 10% that might still get it, only a mild non life threating case.....they say.  So yes, even without cruising, life will be returning back to a closer norm.