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Carnival’s CEO states that they will not require vaccinations

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bamaone

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The good news is this whole issue will all be coming to an end in the near future. Initial cruises will probably be somewhat restricted at first but soon after, all the crazy stuff will fade away just as it is in many parts of the USA. Welcome back cruising. Welcome back life and liberty in America. Welcome back a Cruise Critic forum where we complain about muster drills, chair hogs, long lines at the comedy club and smoke in the casino.

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1 hour ago, bamaone said:

The good news is this whole issue will all be coming to an end in the near future. Initial cruises will probably be somewhat restricted at first but soon after, all the crazy stuff will fade away just as it is in many parts of the USA. Welcome back cruising. Welcome back life and liberty in America. Welcome back a Cruise Critic forum where we complain about muster drills, chair hogs, long lines at the comedy club and smoke in the casino.

Yes and no. Life will eventually return to some sense of normalcy but if you think the CDC is lifting these requirements anytime soon, then you haven't watched the CDC in the last year. These restrictions will be around for months if not a full year after resumption of cruising. Since folks like to constantly remind us that COVID isn't going away with seasonal spikes in the late fall through early spring flu season likely, you can lock in these restrictions until at least this time next year. The earliest I see these restrictions going away is late spring 2022/early summer 2022.

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OceanZena

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1 hour ago, embarkation75 said:

The earliest I see these restrictions going away is late spring 2022/early summer 2022.

That's fine with me. The sailing i'm looking at isn't until Dec of '22 and besides, I have absolutely no desire to be on one of the first few sailings, and would rather sit back and see how things go for the first 6 months at least. 

If all the crazy vaccine requirements will be lifted by end of '22, i'm good. But I will never, EVER get that vaccine. My long term health later on is much more important than a few days on a ship now. 

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Texas has a vaccine database as well as most states, so I bet the online check in will have you complete the date of your vaccination and lot #, then they can verify.  Like they verify your passport data.  For vaccine in texas I had to complete online forms and went through 3 check in where my ID was verified before the shot. The data exists, people can try and falsify all they want, but will probably get caught. 

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4 hours ago, Tom-n-Cheryl said:

Without a secure digital passport (not happening), even if they required 100% of guests to be vaccinated, they won't be - pure and simple. There are plenty of people who would forge the necessary documents (CDC card, attesting to it on a form,  bring a note from a Dr written on the back of a napkin, etc..).

 

Back in the day, we used Rum Runners to smuggle booze - and so did a number of others. People all have different levels of adherence to "rules". Some will comply with everything, others will find justification to do, basically, whatever. 

 

Tom

Even though I get cheers , drink on us or some sort of drink package I’m still tempted to pull out my rum runners .. 😀

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1 hour ago, txgranny said:

Texas has a vaccine database as well as most states, so I bet the online check in will have you complete the date of your vaccination and lot #, then they can verify.  Like they verify your passport data.  For vaccine in texas I had to complete online forms and went through 3 check in where my ID was verified before the shot. The data exists, people can try and falsify all they want, but will probably get caught. 

 

Sure it exists but I think many don't realize how data security works. It's not the same as "passport data". That data exists and is maintained for our national security benefit and to feed risk algorithms and track citizens/visitors travel within the USA (along with a whole host of other data points that would make your head spin) and we also have Interpol agreements for those who go abroad but the first basic premise is national security (our exclusive benefit). Think of all the data breeches companies and even cities/states have had over the last ten years. 

 

Not sure why people think data being shared, accessed, and provided to private companies (particularly of the medical persuasion) is no big deal. It''s a big deal and you can have the biggest/strongest doors but if you leave a window open upstairs (even a window with bars) you're breached. Allowing people access to your data is unthinkable. It's almost never done as a matter of course. Information request are sometimes granted on a case by case but a direct link access, never. They already have an ungodly amount of information that many voluntarily give up without realizing it. If folks continue down this road we will end more like United Kingdom than the United States. We're nearly there actually, just less "in your face". You may not own your own autonomy one day. Some may remember these masked times with appreciation eventually.        

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12 minutes ago, cruisingguy007 said:

 

Sure it exists but I think many don't realize how data security works. It's not the same as "passport data". That data exists and is maintained for our national security benefit and to feed risk algorithms and track citizens/visitors travel within the USA (along with a whole host of other data points that would make your head spin) and we also have Interpol agreements for those who go abroad but the first basic premise is national security (our exclusive benefit). Think of all the data breeches companies and even cities/states have had over the last ten years. 

 

Not sure why people think data being shared, accessed, and provided to private companies (particularly of the medical persuasion) is no big deal. It''s a big deal and you can have the biggest/strongest doors but if you leave a window open upstairs (even a window with bars) you're breached. Allowing people access to your data is unthinkable. It's almost never done as a matter of course. Information request are sometimes granted on a case by case but a direct link access, never. They already have an ungodly amount of information that many voluntarily give up without realizing it. If folks continue down this road we will end more like United Kingdom than the United States. We're nearly there actually, just less "in your face". You may not own your own autonomy one day. Some may remember these masked times with appreciation eventually.        

So I'm saying that the data is verified by whatever government agency, not someone at Carnival doing the verification.  I'm just saying the data exists and some government agency (w good security and such) will verify. 

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Going back to the OP question: Carnival’s CEO states that they will not require vaccinations

This latest response from the CDC answers the question.

 

The CDC has provided two pathways to be able to cruise.

 

With or without Vaccines. Most of the passengers will be vaccinated anyway even though Carnival will not require it. But they can still say those that are vaccinated will not have to take the PCR test, just the antigen test at boarding, plus you will be able to go home easier if you become exposed to a person that turns up getting sick. 

 

So, its a win win for everybody.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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16 minutes ago, cruisingguy007 said:

 

Sure it exists but I think many don't realize how data security works. It's not the same as "passport data". That data exists and is maintained for our national security benefit and to feed risk algorithms and track citizens/visitors travel within the USA (along with a whole host of other data points that would make your head spin) and we also have Interpol agreements for those who go abroad but the first basic premise is national security (our exclusive benefit). Think of all the data breeches companies and even cities/states have had over the last ten years. 

 

Not sure why people think data being shared, accessed, and provided to private companies (particularly of the medical persuasion) is no big deal. It''s a big deal and you can have the biggest/strongest doors but if you leave a window open upstairs (even a window with bars) you're breached. Allowing people access to your data is unthinkable. It's almost never done as a matter of course. Information request are sometimes granted on a case by case but a direct link access, never. They already have an ungodly amount of information that many voluntarily give up without realizing it. If folks continue down this road we will end more like United Kingdom than the United States. We're nearly there actually, just less "in your face". You may not own your own autonomy one day. Some may remember these masked times with appreciation eventually.        

Well to be honest the only information they will have access to pull is whether you have been vaccinated or not.  Its very easy to write software that will only show/hand over that and only that information with just name and dob and drivers license which most of that information you show them anyway when you fill out the forms they give you before you start your cruise.  So I don't see that being a big deal.  The bigger deal is how do they verify someone from the czech republic or how do other countries verify us when we leave from their ports.  Its a very tricky situation but cruises out of the US with US passengers will be a no brainer and you can expect Europe will have some kind of universal vaccine card with the amount of countries they have over there pretty quckly.

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2 minutes ago, OceanZena said:

When us healthy passengers who haven't been jabbed with an experimental shot are boarding the ships I doubt you'll be so smug. 

Funny, most everyone who got covid was healthy and unvaccinated the minute before they caught it and got sick or even died ..... So , yeah ........ Disney Land is another possibility. 

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6 minutes ago, tallnthensome said:

Funny, most everyone who got covid was healthy and unvaccinated the minute before they caught it and got sick or even died ..... So , yeah ........ Disney Land is another possibility. 

So were the ones who got an experimental jab and experienced blood clots, paralysis and death...no Disney for them. But as I said, when we're on the ships, you won't be so smug. 🙂 

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1 minute ago, OceanZena said:

So were the ones who got an experimental jab and experienced blood clots, paralysis and death...

Hahahahah!!!!!  Yeah, sure  .... the vaccinated people who were soon to be sailing have been dropping dead like flies from the vaccines ....... said no one ever. Keep believing in your conspiracy theories. I can tell you one true theory . You won't be cruising. 

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Just now, tallnthensome said:

Hahahahah!!!!!  Yeah, sure  .... the vaccinated people who were soon to be sailing have been dropping dead like flies from the vaccines ....... said no one ever. Keep believing in your conspiracy theories. I can tell you one true theory . You won't be cruising. 

Wow. That actually makes you laugh?! I wonder if you'd laugh in the faces of those people who experiences horrible side effects? Your smugness is unbelievable----and yes. I will be cruising. See you on board! 😊

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4 minutes ago, OceanZena said:

Wow. That actually makes you laugh?! I wonder if you'd laugh in the faces of those people who experiences horrible side effects? Your smugness is unbelievable----and yes. I will be cruising. See you on board! 😊

Your failure to recognize the millions of UNVACCINATED sick and dead from covid is really what is disturbing ..... You must have missed all that, Rip Van Winkle.

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1 minute ago, OceanZena said:

And you're deflecting. Why?

Did I put you in an uncomfortable spot where you're having a hard time understanding? The Cruise Lines, The staff, fellow passengers, the CDC, the cruise  ports and their people don't want unvaccinated conspiracy theorists on board. Is it that hard to understand? 

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1 minute ago, tallnthensome said:

Did I put you in an uncomfortable spot where you're having a hard time understanding? The Cruise Lines, The staff, fellow passengers, the CDC, the cruise  ports and their people don't want unvaccinated conspiracy theorists on board. Is it that hard to understand? 

Show me the quote where the cruise lines stated they "don't want unvaccinated conspiracy theorists on board". I will pay for your next cruise if you can supply it. 

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