wowzz Posted December 23, 2021 #201 Share Posted December 23, 2021 9 minutes ago, Selbourne said: I still struggle to understand why any country would wish to bring infected cruise ship passengers ashore, especially when the cruise ship has dedicated quarantine areas, and can’t help but wonder if this is more about the cruise operators wishing to offload for fear that, if they don’t, they may cumulatively end up with more passengers requiring quarantine cabins than they have allocated? IIRC, Moley and others discounted that theory some weeks ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeanlyon Posted December 23, 2021 #202 Share Posted December 23, 2021 (edited) Dermotsgirl That is exactly how I feel. My next one is due for payment in July and I know things could change by then, or even be worse, but I have absolutely no desire to go any more. Edited December 23, 2021 by jeanlyon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeanlyon Posted December 23, 2021 #203 Share Posted December 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Interestedcruisefan said: I agree there are a lot of very naive passengers out there Also I think from following debate on other cruise line forums based in the US there are a lot of blase cruisers There's a difference Thing is, there are very few people who cruise that on these or any other boards, so not sure how they would know what is happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowzz Posted December 23, 2021 #204 Share Posted December 23, 2021 5 minutes ago, Interestedcruisefan said: Regardless It does appear quarantine cabins on boats don't have balconies Boats may not have balcony cabins, but ships do! And why would you think that an entire deck be set aside for quarantine, but then only use the interior cabins ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Interestedcruisefan Posted December 23, 2021 #205 Share Posted December 23, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, wowzz said: IIRC, Moley and others discounted that theory some weeks ago. All I can remember thinking about that is cruise ships aren't designed or equipped to be floating hospitals for larger numbers And I could totally understand why cruise lines would want to offload. Patients can deteriorate very quickly Mildness of a variant may change that approach. But think it's going to take a while for a different approach to be considered wowzz Edited December 23, 2021 by Interestedcruisefan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Selbourne Posted December 23, 2021 #206 Share Posted December 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, wowzz said: IIRC, Moley and others discounted that theory some weeks ago. They may well have done Wowzz, but I very much doubt that the cruise ship operators would admit to this even if it was the case. Do we know as a fact that all overseas countries are insisting that infected cruise ship passengers must be brought ashore? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeanlyon Posted December 23, 2021 #207 Share Posted December 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, Selbourne said: They may well have done Wowzz, but I very much doubt that the cruise ship operators would admit to this even if it was the case. Do we know as a fact that all overseas countries are insisting that infected cruise ship passengers must be brought ashore? I thought that was odd as well. Why would they want them ashore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Interestedcruisefan Posted December 23, 2021 #208 Share Posted December 23, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, wowzz said: Boats may not have balcony cabins, but ships do! And why would you think that an entire deck be set aside for quarantine, but then only use the interior cabins ? Following h and s risk assessments? Doesn't surprise me why they would do it tbh Ie really wanting to shut them away Room service is being delivered by staff fully kitted out in those scary looking full body suits etc And just being left outside the room with a knock at the door If anyone reads a report from people quarantined in a balcony cabin then please do post it though Maybe you have to pay an upgrade fee and nobody has paid it yet? Lol Ps I've been educated to call them ships not boats on here and have been doing well lately Apologies for the occasional slip though! Lol Will try even harder! Edited December 23, 2021 by Interestedcruisefan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobstheboy Posted December 23, 2021 #209 Share Posted December 23, 2021 Remember. A ship can carry a boat, a boat cannot carry a ship. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Selbourne Posted December 23, 2021 #210 Share Posted December 23, 2021 21 minutes ago, wowzz said: Boats may not have balcony cabins, but ships do! Do you prefer the left or right side when cruising Wowzz? What about the front or back of the ship? 😂 The one that really irks me is when people add the word ‘the’ in front of a ships name (we are going on ‘the Iona’ etc) 😂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fionboard Posted December 23, 2021 #211 Share Posted December 23, 2021 I faced being disembarked from Ventura in Spain after positive LF. Thank heavens second (PCR) was negative. Very scary and would have been worse in Caribbean! I will not be cruising for the time being. Isolation cabins are only for new crew joining and contacts of positive cases who test negative. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeanlyon Posted December 23, 2021 #212 Share Posted December 23, 2021 27 minutes ago, Selbourne said: Do you prefer the left or right side when cruising Wowzz? What about the front or back of the ship? 😂 The one that really irks me is when people add the word ‘the’ in front of a ships name (we are going on ‘the Iona’ etc) 😂 Yes me too! AND I am a passenger not a guest! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
showingdiva Posted December 23, 2021 #213 Share Posted December 23, 2021 1 minute ago, jeanlyon said: Yes me too! AND I am a passenger not a guest! And me! A third world problem really, but it just does. However, out of ****** mindedness, I sometimes like to throw in the use of "the pointy end" and "the blunt end". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zap99 Posted December 23, 2021 #214 Share Posted December 23, 2021 1 hour ago, cruising.mark.uk said: As things stand today, tens of thousands of people are enjoying their cruise holidays. It seems from this and other threads that a few people do not have the risk appetite to cruise while they are uncertain about the possible consequences of a positive Covid test and potential disembarkation. That is fine. Individuals in that situation should not travel until the risks decrease to a risk level at which they are comfortable. Many thousands of cruisers are clearly content with the current level of risk and I don't think the concerns of the few should preclude this majority from enjoying a holiday within their tolerance for risk, while governments and cruise companies assess that the collective risks remain manageable and have countermeasures in place to mitigate them. Folk have the same choices as they had a year ago. If you don't feel safe on a cruise ship, stay ashore, don't cruise. If you don't feel safe going out, stay at home. Some of us are quite happy to take some chances. We are continually told how poor the cruises will be by folk who aren't cruising. We did 3 this year. All were fine. Different but fine. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cristaltips Posted December 23, 2021 #215 Share Posted December 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, zap99 said: Folk have the same choices as they had a year ago. If you don't feel safe on a cruise ship, stay ashore, don't cruise. If you don't feel safe going out, stay at home. Some of us are quite happy to take some chances. We are continually told how poor the cruises will be by folk who aren't cruising. We did 3 this year. All were fine. Different but fine. But we don’t have the same choices we had a year ago. When the balance of our February cruise was paid, nobody had heard of Omicron and the Delta situation was improving greatly. We are booked on the February 35 nights cruise on Ventura whose ports include Belize and Roatan. Who wants to be quarantined there? Not me! 2022 is fully booked for cruises and two booked for 2023. There is very little scope to move this cruise anywhere. Personally, I’m praying that it’s cancelled 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobstheboy Posted December 23, 2021 #216 Share Posted December 23, 2021 8 minutes ago, zap99 said: Folk have the same choices as they had a year ago. If you don't feel safe on a cruise ship, stay ashore, don't cruise. If you don't feel safe going out, stay at home. Some of us are quite happy to take some chances. We are continually told how poor the cruises will be by folk who aren't cruising. We did 3 this year. All were fine. Different but fine. Very valid comments, however, having cruised on Staycations twice, and looking forward to a cruise to the Canary Islands in Feb, when I paid my balance it wasn't known that passengers would be off loaded if they caught Covid. If it was quarantine onboard I would accept it, the off load, quarantine and fly home, no way. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosapphire Posted December 23, 2021 #217 Share Posted December 23, 2021 Be interesting to see, after all these lovely cruises, whether the Caribbean islands develop a big spike in cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ardennais Posted December 23, 2021 #218 Share Posted December 23, 2021 11 minutes ago, crompton21 said: Any person who has tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 should disembark as soon as possible (in accordance with the EU HEALTHY GATEWAYS “Advice for ship operators for preparedness and response to an outbreak of COVID19”, available at: https://www.healthygateways.eu/Novel-coronavirus), be isolated in a facility ashore and monitored until the ECDC criteria for discharge are met (6). Different scenarios with the expected number of persons to be isolated should be considered and included in the planning and arrangements made between the cruise line and the local/national authority. Advice for restarting cruise ship operations after lifting restrictive measures in response to the COVID-19 pandemic (healthygateways.eu) Hopefully, this may help people understand the rules. EU rules, not cruise company rules. It is Carnival policy because it is an EU policy. Do EU rules still apply? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gettingwarmer Posted December 23, 2021 #219 Share Posted December 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Ardennais said: Do EU rules still apply? Yes I would think so when visiting EU ports 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ardennais Posted December 23, 2021 #220 Share Posted December 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Gettingwarmer said: Yes I would think so when visiting EU ports I was thinking of Caribbean cruises departing from Southampton as we’re now not in the EU? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Interestedcruisefan Posted December 23, 2021 #221 Share Posted December 23, 2021 (edited) 36 minutes ago, zap99 said: Folk have the same choices as they had a year ago. If you don't feel safe on a cruise ship, stay ashore, don't cruise. If you don't feel safe going out, stay at home. Some of us are quite happy to take some chances. We are continually told how poor the cruises will be by folk who aren't cruising. We did 3 this year. All were fine. Different but fine. We still definitely all have choices to make either way currently Assuming we all agree one way or another you will be able to postpone a cruise last minute that you don't feel happy doing (we do still get posters on here often saying theyve been denied doing that though) Don't think anyone should be denied postponing anything in current situation tbh But IMO what's different now is if you fear overseas quarantine or even just being confined to cabins on board (which clearly most of us do) Then the chances of that happening right now are far higher than in the past And the longer the cruise and further away it goes obviously the higher the risk Should cruise lines actively be looking to reduce those risks again like they did when they only operated shorter staycations in the summer? Do 35 night cruises actually pass risk assessments in this situation? Even 14 night cruises must be under question again in this situation Cruise lines surely have a duty to minimise risks themselves? Or are they just waiting and hoping for Govts to step in again? So they can claim financial support etc Edited December 23, 2021 by Interestedcruisefan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zap99 Posted December 23, 2021 #222 Share Posted December 23, 2021 1 hour ago, showingdiva said: And me! A third world problem really, but it just does. However, out of ****** mindedness, I sometimes like to throw in the use of "the pointy end" and "the blunt end". If somebody won't be going on a cruise anytime soon, they are neither a passenger, or a guest. Just an interested observer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Interestedcruisefan Posted December 23, 2021 #223 Share Posted December 23, 2021 1 minute ago, zap99 said: If somebody won't be going on a cruise anytime soon, they are neither a passenger, or a guest. Just an interested observer. Surely anyone not actually on a cruise right now is just an interested observer? Which will be 99 per cent of the people using this forum at any stage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zap99 Posted December 23, 2021 #224 Share Posted December 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Interestedcruisefan said: Surely anyone not actually on a cruise right now is just an interested observer? Which will be 99 per cent of the people using this forum at any stage I do wonder why folk who haven't been on any cruise since they restarted,............🤔 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tring Posted December 23, 2021 #225 Share Posted December 23, 2021 39 minutes ago, Ardennais said: Do EU rules still apply? From when the draft of those Healthy Gateway rules were first published they were reportedly being followed by the UK and presumably other non EU countries in Europe as well as CLIA and the cruise lines. As the cruise lines travel between different countries within Europe it had to be co ordinated procedures. So yes, it applies to the UK. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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