Edge Transatlantic Testing positive for Covid

[Babr]

14 hours ago, bnurick said:

We were on the Edge in late January after I had COVID and we moved our cruise date.  After that cruise my Wife tested positive.  We have an upcoming late June cruise and while we have some increased immunity now, we are considering how to handle a quarantine situation.  If we are not being appropriately taken care of we figured we would strap on our KN95 mask and go to the buffet, get our own food and bring it back to our cabin.  So my question is, what happens if you leave your cabin or in @bananavan case a prison if in quarantine?  A passenger has rights.

Leaving your cabin without medical clearance would violate the terms of Celebrity’s refund and cancellation policy. You may find yourself disembarked at the earliest opportunity with no assistance at all.

 

If you want off the ship, that might do it.

[VitaminSea53]

6 hours ago, bananavan said:

We are not able to leave. The entrance to the Quarantine area is clearly marked and it requires a special mechanism to open this.
I only know this because when I was taken to the Medical center yesterday it was extremely strict.The nurse who accompanied me kept looking around to make sure that I was following closely and not touching anything. 
When I was in pre-Quarantine, (ie: myhusband had tested positive and was already in Quarantine) I was not permitted to eat anywhere on the ship other than in my suite. And I was not permitted to collect food or drink anywhere else. I had to order room service. 
So, I have eaten in Luminae for two breakfasts and one Dinner since April 30. 
There should be dining height tables made available to those who are forced to eat tepid, late food on their laps. 

When you were in Pre-quarantine  would they know if you wandered into the buffet and took some food with you back to your cabin?

[bananavan]

8 minutes ago, VitaminSea53 said:

When you were in Pre-quarantine  would they know if you wandered into the buffet and took some food with you back to your cabin?

I dont know, but considering the cameras are everywhere I did not want to find out. 
When we were finally able to go without our masks I did meet up with another woman whose room mate was in the same quarantine situation as I was and we would eat alone in a corner of the Ocean View. 
Oddly she was with the Casino group and they were permitted to drink at the Casino when they gambled. 
Go Figure. The Science is baffling. 
 

[bnurick]

13 hours ago, Babr said:

Leaving your cabin without medical clearance would violate the terms of Celebrity’s refund and cancellation policy. You may find yourself disembarked at the earliest opportunity with no assistance at all.

 

If you want off the ship, that might do it.

Guessing it would.  With where this is symptom wise now I’d get off and make my own arrangements if not being appropriately cared for.

 

@bananavan hang in there.  What makes me crazy after having my Wife finding out she got COVID on our last cruise when we got home and did a self test is all the people we watched coughing without staff reporting/giving tests.  I now know a good percentage of them had to have COVID, but it’s milder overall now so it is what it is.

 

Lastly, I would prefer everyone be required to wear a KN95 mask indoors when not sitting, but that’s my personal preference.  We doubled masked on our January cruise.

[welovetahiti]

On 5/15/2022 at 7:44 AM, cruisingator2 said:

I feel for everyone that has become sick with this virus and moved to quarantine. After reading this thread and several others, we know that we made the correct decision to cancel our trip to Italy next week. Even though our cruise was only seven nights we were spending almost three weeks in Italy/cruising. Too many opportunities to catch this virus and the need to quarantine or become very I’ll too far away from home.

 

 

By cancelling a week before sailing, won't you lose the amount you paid?

[delondin]

14 minutes ago, welovetahiti said:

By cancelling a week before sailing, won't you lose the amount you paid?

I believe the cruise with confidence was extended to end of September so they may have got an fcc. 

[suzyluvs2cruise]

On 5/16/2022 at 5:37 AM, bananavan said:

There should be dining height tables made available to those who are forced to eat tepid, late food on their laps. 

Hope you're feeling better.

I agree about dining height table. One person can eat at the desk but the other has a low, small table. Yesterday I put the cushion from one chair on the other chair and used it for my "table" with a smaller Room Service tray. Food last night came quicker and was hotter and tasty.

We're adapting and figuring things out and we go along. My DH is still testing negative and I have my day 5 test today. 

Edited May 17, 2022 by suzyluvs2cruise

[sgmn]

11 minutes ago, suzyluvs2cruise said:

. My DH is still testing negative and I have my day 5 test today. 

Fingers crossed 🤞 it's negative for you Suzy

[bananavan]

23 minutes ago, suzyluvs2cruise said:

Hope you're feeling better.

I agree about dining height table. One person can eat at the desk but the other has a low, small table. Yesterday I put the cushion from one chair on the other chair and used it for my "table" with a smaller Room Service tray. Food last night came quicker and was hotter and tasty.

We're adapting and figuring things out and we go along. My DH is still testing negative and I have my day 5 test today. 

Goodluck. 
We are not tested except on Day 7 and day 12. I will be the test case for those who still test positive after day 12 in Italy. 
IF so, we remain onboard until Day 21. Those are not my rules, those are Italy's. 

[bananavan]

6 hours ago, delondin said:

I believe the cruise with confidence was extended to end of September so they may have got an fcc. 

That would still be a smart option 

[suzyluvs2cruise]

9 hours ago, bananavan said:

Goodluck. 
We are not tested except on Day 7 and day 12. I will be the test case for those who still test positive after day 12 in Italy. 
IF so, we remain onboard until Day 21. Those are not my rules, those are Italy's. 

Why can't you get a Certificate of Recovery to fly home? 

[GenXer85]

On 5/14/2022 at 12:13 PM, drarill said:

No problem with people testing privately, but I do have a problem with positives spreading the virus, making their own protocols.  It doesn't matter if you are vaccinated or already had the virus, it is wrong and irresponsible. Yesterday the Eclipse and the Apex passengers were ordered to use masks again.  After a common cold people don't have an elevated risk of a DVT, stroke, heart attack  or PE, and I'm not going to start talking about Long COVID. This is not a common cold. 

True, but we have to learn to live with the virus as it's not going away.  Draconian and/or extreme measure are not going to work over the long run. We are in a transition phase (hopefully soon pandemic label changed to endemic) and people will need to risk assess for themselves and understand that in certain environments they may come in contact with the virus. I plan to always mask on planes/trains/buses and probably anytime shopping or at a movie, for example, as a result.  I know lots of people will go into these spaces knowingly or unknowingly actively contagious with no mask. Good luck to us all that most do the right thing and that should we contract the virus that the consequences are inconsequential. 🙂

[GenXer85]

10 hours ago, welovetahiti said:

By cancelling a week before sailing, won't you lose the amount you paid?

This is sad to hear.  I think you would have been ok with the shorter cruise, but you never know and everyone has their comfort level

[GenXer85]

On 5/14/2022 at 4:35 PM, Tony UK said:

I agree with you! Now Covid is an endemic illness with is mild for many the cruiselines should start to treat it like Flu or Norovirus. Sick bay if needed, quaratine in own room (as Norovirus)as needed. 

In the UK after 5 days you are released from any guidance to isolate, although advised to be cautious.

It is wrong IMHO for cruiselines to portray safe, all vaccinated, all tested cruises, when they could never be 100% safe. People getting on can test negative but be positive within 3 days. People getting off at ports could contract covid and bring it back on board etc. etc. 

I do understand that for some the risk is much higher and covid if contracted much more serious. Thats why the cruiselines should be more transparent to allow passengers to assess risks and make contingency plans, or decide its not for them right now.

Perfect comment.  Personal responsibility and risk assessment.  I hope all our friends caught up in the current web of varying rules are home heathy, safe and sound

[bananavan]

21 hours ago, suzyluvs2cruise said:

Why can't you get a Certificate of Recovery to fly home? 

Italys rules.

I learned today that I will remain on this ship until I either test negative,  OR we celebrate May 29. 
That was what Customer Service told me.

They are testing me every morning until whichever comes first.

No negative test, no Certificate. 
May this point I expect every Television network to be at the Indianapolis Airport, not for the Indy 500, but for my repatriation. 
And if anyone thinks that I am doing well mentally through this, they would be wrong. 

[mickeysgal]

36 minutes ago, bananavan said:

Italys rules.

I learned today that I will remain on this ship until I either test negative,  OR we celebrate May 29. 
That was what Customer Service told me.

They are testing me every morning until whichever comes first.

No negative test, no Certificate. 
May this point I expect every Television network to be at the Indianapolis Airport, not for the Indy 500, but for my repatriation. 
And if anyone thinks that I am doing well mentally through this, they would be wrong. 

I’m so sorry to hear this. This is incredibly troubling to say the least. The stress/anxiety/mental strain I’m sure aren’t helping at all!  Are you still showing symptoms? Are you feeling any better? 
 

So you may be held until potentially May 29? Is that the 21st date going by Italy’s rules? How many days would that be in total? 
 

 

 

[canderson]

1 hour ago, bananavan said:

Italys rules.

I learned today that I will remain on this ship until I either test negative,  OR we celebrate May 29. 
That was what Customer Service told me.

They are testing me every morning until whichever comes first.

No negative test, no Certificate. 

I don't understand.  The whole point of a Certificate of Recovery is to cover those who are still receiving positive PCR results even though well and unlikely to be infectious.  It happens.  PCR tests can pick up dead virus DNA for some time after the patient returns to good health.

[canderson]

I guess my point is that a negative test obviates the need for a Certificate of Recovery. So ... ???

[Member123]

@bananavan is caught by Italian authorities and is in a bureaucratic snarl...

 

Respectfully, the issue here is the proverbial assumptions that are made where you bring what you believe to be true to a situation where your knowledge isn't fully adequate. As in.... how do you obtain a Certificate of Recovery? If your assumption is the passing of 10 days... well.... welcome to Italy. The requirements for obtaining a piece of paper that allows you to depart a foreign country for a flight back to the States isn't the same as the requirement that would allow entry to the foreign country... in the first place...

 

@bananavan's saga is a cautionary tale... to be sure....

 

A search into the requirements from the Italian Ministry of Health tells you all you need to know about what is going on with @bananavan. I copied this information from the Italian Ministry of Health (but don't commit to memory because it's slated to change again in June)...

 

Covid-19 is diagnosed in Italy via a molecular swab test.

 

If you test positive, even without symptoms, the Health Ministry mandates that you must self-isolate for at least 10 days. If you don't develop symptoms during this period, you can get another molecular test; if it comes back negative, you are considered to have recovered.

 

People who have symptoms must wait until they go  for at least three days without symptoms (and a minimum of ten days since their positive test) before being tested again.

 

People who continue to test positive after their symptoms have disappeared should continue to isolate for 21 days after they first showed symptoms (and at least seven days since they were last symptomatic). After this point, unless advised otherwise by a doctor, they are allowed to end their isolation.

 

If you believe you had Covid-19 but never confirmed it with a test or got treated by a doctor, you will not be able to demonstrate that you have recovered.

 

And all this has to be met in order to put your feet onto Italian soil and gain entry to the country just so you can transit. They have rigorous tests that have to be met if you're staying in the country even for less than 36 hours.

 

Hence @bananavan's statement that she MUST test negative OR pass a 21-day quarantine isolation period. At least she isn't symptomatic so she's meeting the terms of a seven day wait for re-testing purposes.

 

That's a silver lining to a black cloud.. but I can't even imagine what coping mechanisms are required to be able to sustain this type of uncomfortable confinement. As we all sit at home and consider how we would personally be able to rise to the mental stress we would endure? I know for a fact that when I'm truly sick all I want is a comfortable bed and a short trip to a bathroom. But when I'm well and cooped up? Isn't it true that reading a good book is even more delicious when you have a long, laundry list of things you're "supposed" to be doing? When you're trying to drive away boredom, even an excellent book oftentimes can't meet that task.

 

I'm grateful for this thread as its put my own personal limits into stark reality. I can have a temper tantrum with the best of them and I just know I'd be triggered trying to remain calm in the face of this entangled web of <insert your favorite word here>....

[canderson]

7 hours ago, Member123 said:

@bananavan is caught by Italian authorities and is in a bureaucratic snarl...

 

Respectfully, the issue here is the proverbial assumptions that are made where you bring what you believe to be true to a situation where your knowledge isn't fully adequate. As in.... how do you obtain a Certificate of Recovery? If your assumption is the passing of 10 days... well.... welcome to Italy. The requirements for obtaining a piece of paper that allows you to depart a foreign country for a flight back to the States isn't the same as the requirement that would allow entry to the foreign country... in the first place...

 

@bananavan's saga is a cautionary tale... to be sure....

 

A search into the requirements from the Italian Ministry of Health tells you all you need to know about what is going on with @bananavan. I copied this information from the Italian Ministry of Health (but don't commit to memory because it's slated to change again in June)...

 

Covid-19 is diagnosed in Italy via a molecular swab test.

 

If you test positive, even without symptoms, the Health Ministry mandates that you must self-isolate for at least 10 days. If you don't develop symptoms during this period, you can get another molecular test; if it comes back negative, you are considered to have recovered.

 

People who have symptoms must wait until they go  for at least three days without symptoms (and a minimum of ten days since their positive test) before being tested again.

 

People who continue to test positive after their symptoms have disappeared should continue to isolate for 21 days after they first showed symptoms (and at least seven days since they were last symptomatic). After this point, unless advised otherwise by a doctor, they are allowed to end their isolation.

 

If you believe you had Covid-19 but never confirmed it with a test or got treated by a doctor, you will not be able to demonstrate that you have recovered.

 

And all this has to be met in order to put your feet onto Italian soil and gain entry to the country just so you can transit. They have rigorous tests that have to be met if you're staying in the country even for less than 36 hours.

 

Hence @bananavan's statement that she MUST test negative OR pass a 21-day quarantine isolation period. At least she isn't symptomatic so she's meeting the terms of a seven day wait for re-testing purposes.

 

That's a silver lining to a black cloud.. but I can't even imagine what coping mechanisms are required to be able to sustain this type of uncomfortable confinement. As we all sit at home and consider how we would personally be able to rise to the mental stress we would endure? I know for a fact that when I'm truly sick all I want is a comfortable bed and a short trip to a bathroom. But when I'm well and cooped up? Isn't it true that reading a good book is even more delicious when you have a long, laundry list of things you're "supposed" to be doing? When you're trying to drive away boredom, even an excellent book oftentimes can't meet that task.

 

I'm grateful for this thread as its put my own personal limits into stark reality. I can have a temper tantrum with the best of them and I just know I'd be triggered trying to remain calm in the face of this entangled web of <insert your favorite word here>....

Ah, so this isn't your typical 'still testing positive but healthy to fly home' COR!

 

Yikes.  Testing positive on any cruise disembarking in Italy would be a real train wreck.  I understand Bananavan's situation more clearly after your post of the Italian site.

 

[sgmn]

7 hours ago, Member123 said:

@bananavan is caught by Italian authorities and is in a bureaucratic snarl...

 

Respectfully, the issue here is the proverbial assumptions that are made where you bring what you believe to be true to a situation where your knowledge isn't fully adequate. As in.... how do you obtain a Certificate of Recovery? If your assumption is the passing of 10 days... well.... welcome to Italy. The requirements for obtaining a piece of paper that allows you to depart a foreign country for a flight back to the States isn't the same as the requirement that would allow entry to the foreign country... in the first place...

 

@bananavan's saga is a cautionary tale... to be sure....

 

A search into the requirements from the Italian Ministry of Health tells you all you need to know about what is going on with @bananavan. I copied this information from the Italian Ministry of Health (but don't commit to memory because it's slated to change again in June)...

 

Covid-19 is diagnosed in Italy via a molecular swab test.

 

If you test positive, even without symptoms, the Health Ministry mandates that you must self-isolate for at least 10 days. If you don't develop symptoms during this period, you can get another molecular test; if it comes back negative, you are considered to have recovered.

 

People who have symptoms must wait until they go  for at least three days without symptoms (and a minimum of ten days since their positive test) before being tested again.

 

People who continue to test positive after their symptoms have disappeared should continue to isolate for 21 days after they first showed symptoms (and at least seven days since they were last symptomatic). After this point, unless advised otherwise by a doctor, they are allowed to end their isolation.

 

If you believe you had Covid-19 but never confirmed it with a test or got treated by a doctor, you will not be able to demonstrate that you have recovered.

 

And all this has to be met in order to put your feet onto Italian soil and gain entry to the country just so you can transit. They have rigorous tests that have to be met if you're staying in the country even for less than 36 hours.

 

Hence @bananavan's statement that she MUST test negative OR pass a 21-day quarantine isolation period. At least she isn't symptomatic so she's meeting the terms of a seven day wait for re-testing purposes.

 

That's a silver lining to a black cloud.. but I can't even imagine what coping mechanisms are required to be able to sustain this type of uncomfortable confinement. As we all sit at home and consider how we would personally be able to rise to the mental stress we would endure? I know for a fact that when I'm truly sick all I want is a comfortable bed and a short trip to a bathroom. But when I'm well and cooped up? Isn't it true that reading a good book is even more delicious when you have a long, laundry list of things you're "supposed" to be doing? When you're trying to drive away boredom, even an excellent book oftentimes can't meet that task.

 

I'm grateful for this thread as its put my own personal limits into stark reality. I can have a temper tantrum with the best of them and I just know I'd be triggered trying to remain calm in the face of this entangled web of <insert your favorite word here>....

Excellent post , thank you. I'm glad our cruise next month is terminating in Spain 

[ShelleyQT]

On 5/3/2022 at 8:25 PM, cruisingguy007 said:

 

There is no one to blame, covid is going to covid, folks need to quit looking for a scapegoat and quit thinking that they can control the uncontrollable. The only way to do that is to stay off cruise ships and away from crowds, period. Mask theater won't protect you, the sooner more realize this and accept reality, the quicker normal cruising returns and we can move on from the covid panic, covid counts and covid hysteria. Look at all the posts of simple stuffy noses and minor symptoms being the worst of it. There will always be a few chiming in with doom/gloom and worse case scenario but the overwhelming majority are asymptomatic or minor symptoms. It's 2022, not early 2020, time to move on to pragmatism and let the fear mongering go.    

 

Hear, hear!  I'm amazed by the number of people who come here saying they got Covid on their cruise, even though they wore their masks the whole time!  If the masks worked, people wouldn't keep getting Covid when they are wearing masks.   Our current vaccines don't prevent catching it (though for most people they reduce the severity of symptoms) and they don't prevent passing it to others.  Neither do the masks.  The best way to get over this is for people to just stop fearing it and live their lives.

[ShelleyQT]

On 5/6/2022 at 1:23 PM, bananavan said:

Covid seems to be so fluid. 
We get so many differing scenarios. 
I was allowed to stay in my Suite. 
I found this out when I checked in for the B2B passenger checkin. 
I had packed all of my husbands items into a suitcase just in case he tested negative and we were permitted to disembark. Had that happened he would not have been permitted to return to the suite after release from the Red Zone. So he would have walked out wearing the same clothes that he walked upstairs in. 
I had packed all of my clothes into the remaining bags. 
I was extremely grateful to be permitted to stay in the same suite. 
I lost many of the perks that I had experienced and paid for on the prior cruise. I lost the drink package. I lost Wifi. My husband is allowed to have the unlimited Wifi. 
He was moved into the Yellow zone on Deck 6. His view is of the top of the lifeboats. He is hoping that the two tender ports are going to use the lifeboat below his window. The window does not open. 
He is unable to exercise anywhere. He still cannot leave the cabin. His meals are from the Room service menu. He is post cancer surgery and seriously how tough would it be to allow him to have the occasional vegetable.? 
And before anyones jumps on me and tells me that we should probably have considered that when we came onboard, please get a life and go and harass someone else. The rules have been changed more frequently than the Pampers on a two week old baby. 
So to recap: 
He has no ability to build up his health
He has no air circulation
He has no variety in his meals 
He has no entertainment. Until you have had the limited television choices that are presently being offered, you have no idea 
We did not purchase the Retreat as part of the  Move up. We purchased the vacation as a Retreat experience in March of 2021 and paid full fare. 
My husband completely missed the cruise experience for 7 complete days. 
I missed the Retreat experience for 6 days. 
I was unable to dine anywhere except in my room. 
I was not able to drink any beverages anywhere except in my room. 
Oddly, the close contacts of the Positive Casino Passengers were permitted to drink in the bars. That is what one of them told me. 
If we had left the ship today we would no longer be the responsibility of Celebrity. Considering he had tested positive  in our suite before the ship docked at our first port, there is no doubt as to his acquiring the virus while we were guests of Celebrity.  All of the expenses incurred from the moment we disembarked would be our responsibility. 
As of this moment, my husband will be tested again on May 11. If he is negative he will be able t rejoin me. Celebrity is arranging for flights home for us effective May 14 in the same class of flight that we had originally booked with Princess for our now canceled 3 week cruise starting on May 7. 
These were business class tickets. 
I am mentally drained and physically exhausted so if I am not answering as you might like me to, please understand that . 

 

How horrible!!  It would cost them nothing to give both of you WiFi.  It would cost them virtually nothing to give you the drinks package.  It costs them nothing to give your DH decent food.  It is cruel to deny anyone fresh air and exercise, even if it's just to let Covid-positive people some time reserved just for them on the walking/jogging track, and he should be allowed a balcony.  We know that people catch Covid when they have a certain number of Covid particles (saturation level) in the air... and being outside dilutes this enough that people don't catch Covid outside unless they are right next to each other for an extended period of time, especially on a moving cruise ship that has air blowing all over the place!

 

This all feels like it's designed to make people decide to get off the ship instead of staying on for the return trip.

 

Celebrity definitely needs to do better than this.

[jelayne]

1 hour ago, ShelleyQT said:

 

This all feels like it's designed to make people decide to get off the ship instead of staying on for the return trip.

 

Celebrity definitely needs to do better than this.

Many are choosing to stay on the ships vs getting off and finishing their quarantine, the devil you know can be better than the unknown devil.
 

I wouldn’t want to be off the ship in a country where I don’t speak the language and quarantined in a government facility. In the Uk no mandatory quarantine, Italy has more strict requirements. 

[Mark_T]

6 hours ago, ShelleyQT said:

 

Hear, hear!  I'm amazed by the number of people who come here saying they got Covid on their cruise, even though they wore their masks the whole time!  If the masks worked, people wouldn't keep getting Covid when they are wearing masks. 

I don't disagree about just having to get used to Covid being around and getting on with our lives, but the problem with inferring that 'masks don't work' is that people are not wearing them all the time if they are eating or drinking outside their cabins, and that is most likely where the infections are occurring...