Smoking still allowed in the casino?

[marylandfan20794]

The smoke can be overwhelming just walking by

Edited June 27, 2022 by marylandfan20794
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[1025cruise]

Yes, smoking is still allowed. Some shops have non-smoking casinos in addition.

[Bostwick girl]

While smoking is still allowed in the casino, you must be actively playing. No more of the sitting in the casino just to smoke, thank goodness! I’ve noticed my last couple of cruises there seems to be more non smoking machines. Was on Liberty early June and there were a lot of non smoking machines, most separated by the walkway thru the casino. Hardly noticed any smoke smell either so their filtration system has improved.

 

[Purvis1231]

We just got off the Breeze, we main casino is still smoking and unfortunately, we had to walk through it while on the 5th deck.

[kctwinmommy]

It's interesting, on the Pride in April was the first time we've ever played some slots in the casino. It's just not our thing. But our 18 year old son was with us, and there wasn't much for him to do, so we went with him one night. Being a former smoker myself, many years ago, I'm actually fairly sensitive to it now, so I really do try to avoid it whenever I can. But I didn't even notice any in the casino for the 20-30 minutes we were in there. It may have just been an odd time, who knows, but I'm just thinking about it now, how I actually forgot smoking was allowed.

[jsglow]

29 minutes ago, kctwinmommy said:

It's interesting, on the Pride in April was the first time we've ever played some slots in the casino. It's just not our thing. But our 18 year old son was with us, and there wasn't much for him to do, so we went with him one night. Being a former smoker myself, many years ago, I'm actually fairly sensitive to it now, so I really do try to avoid it whenever I can. But I didn't even notice any in the casino for the 20-30 minutes we were in there. It may have just been an odd time, who knows, but I'm just thinking about it now, how I actually forgot smoking was allowed.

Yeah, for awhile this past winter they eliminated casino smoking for pandemic related reasons.  As previously stated, I believe one must still be 'actively' playing.  No sitting and smoking at the casino bar although that policy is for an undetermined period of time.

[ontheweb]

3 hours ago, Purvis1231 said:

We just got off the Breeze, we main casino is still smoking and unfortunately, we had to walk through it while on the 5th deck.

That is a nasty reality that I think even the most ardent Carnival "cheerleader" would have a problem defending.

[klfrodo]

🤣🤣  Glad to see these boards returning to normal pre-pandemic conditions. It's a good day!

[ProgRockCruiser]

Recently I read an article that concluded that Las Vegas casinos would not be adversely impacted if they banned smoking, because generally the clientele would simply adapt, as they have elsewhere in their lives.  Ah, here's an article about it:

 

https://www.reviewjournal.com/business/casinos-gaming/smoking-ban-no-longer-a-threat-to-casino-revenue-report-says-2594067/

 

So while smoking on ships in the casino is probably here for a little while longer, maybe it can one day become the reverse of what it is today on some ships: the smoking casino is isolated, away from the main thoroughfare, while the main casino is smoke-free for the enjoyment of all the non-smoking guests, who currently have to walk through it or find annoying detours.

[Casino Comp Chick]

1 hour ago, ProgRockCruiser said:

Recently I read an article that concluded that Las Vegas casinos would not be adversely impacted if they banned smoking, because generally the clientele would simply adapt, as they have elsewhere in their lives.  Ah, here's an article about it:

 

https://www.reviewjournal.com/business/casinos-gaming/smoking-ban-no-longer-a-threat-to-casino-revenue-report-says-2594067/

 

So while smoking on ships in the casino is probably here for a little while longer, maybe it can one day become the reverse of what it is today on some ships: the smoking casino is isolated, away from the main thoroughfare, while the main casino is smoke-free for the enjoyment of all the non-smoking guests, who currently have to walk through it or find annoying detours.

Smokefree USA is pushing that “report” but the casino bean counters will tell you otherwise. 
Take a walk through the casino at night and you’ll see a lot of people in the smoking areas than the non-smoking areas.

Anyone can do a report skew to what they want the result to be it’s all the matter of knowing who to ask..

i.e. Know your target audience.

Edited June 27, 2022 by Casino Comp Chick

[Purvis1231]

1 hour ago, ontheweb said:

That is a nasty reality that I think even the most ardent Carnival "cheerleader" would have a problem defending.

Right, We did not spend a lot time in the area but we had to walk through the casino to transit from the shops to the ocean plaza area. I know they designed it this way to get more people to play.

Edited June 27, 2022 by Purvis1231
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[cruisin from vegas]

1 hour ago, ProgRockCruiser said:

Recently I read an article that concluded that Las Vegas casinos would not be adversely impacted if they banned smoking, because generally the clientele would simply adapt, as they have elsewhere in their lives.  Ah, here's an article about it:

 

https://www.reviewjournal.com/business/casinos-gaming/smoking-ban-no-longer-a-threat-to-casino-revenue-report-says-2594067/

 

So while smoking on ships in the casino is probably here for a little while longer, maybe it can one day become the reverse of what it is today on some ships: the smoking casino is isolated, away from the main thoroughfare, while the main casino is smoke-free for the enjoyment of all the non-smoking guests, who currently have to walk through it or find annoying detours.

Wrong!!!! I am a retired casino marketing professional and have lived in Las Vegas and been in this industry for 30+ years,  any attempt at a non-smoking casino has failed, miserably.  That article is propaganda being promoted by a non-smoking group , and has literally no value.  Most casinos have a non smoking section or area…. And they are usually less than 50% occupied.  However, that’s not the real reason.  The “spend” and “hours spent” by smokers is huge and …. In other words , even if there are less smokers (which I’ve never seen on any report) they spend about 60-70% of the gaming take.  Until that changes…. Las Vegas will never go non smoking 

[Scurvy Seadog]

32 minutes ago, cruisin from vegas said:

Wrong!!!! I am a retired casino marketing professional and have lived in Las Vegas and been in this industry for 30+ years,  any attempt at a non-smoking casino has failed, miserably.  That article is propaganda being promoted by a non-smoking group , and has literally no value.  Most casinos have a non smoking section or area…. And they are usually less than 50% occupied.  However, that’s not the real reason.  The “spend” and “hours spent” by smokers is huge and …. In other words , even if there are less smokers (which I’ve never seen on any report) they spend about 60-70% of the gaming take.  Until that changes…. Las Vegas will never go non smoking 

The smoke free casinos in Delaware and in South Florida prove otherwise. Places are packed 24/7 and have been for well over a decade. I listened to this argument before New York banned smoking in bars and clubs. It was “Chicken Little Syndrome” everywhere. Everyone was going to go out of business and the world would come to an end. On the contrary, business doubled and smokers went outside to have satisfy their nicotine addiction.

[ProgRockCruiser]

52 minutes ago, cruisin from vegas said:

any attempt at a non-smoking casino has failed, miserably

Well, except for the Park MGM, as noted in the article.

 

And of course that article is slanted - there appears to be zero "slant-free" anything these days, everyone's got a spin.

 

I could say that your current status (retired) makes any conclusions you state about the future are potentially invalid, because you are not active in the field, and everything you might conclude is tinged by 30 years of "how it used to be".

 

Anyway, I was just pointing it out as a data point, as it is something that never would have been considered 10 years ago (or 30...). 

 

58 minutes ago, cruisin from vegas said:

 Most casinos have a non smoking section or area…. And they are usually less than 50% occupied.  

And the article noted that too:

 

The authors conceded that, “It is an irrefutable fact that a slot machine located in a smoking area of a casino makes more money than a slot machine in a non-smoking area.”

 

The question is: if you take away all smoking, will the gamblers still gamble?  And will they gamble just as much?

 

But they also found that casinos that offer smoking do not perform better than those that don’t allow it. It showed that the Parx Casino in Philadelphia; Empire City in Yonkers, New York; Foxwoods and Mohegan Sun in Connecticut, and Resorts World in the Queens section of New York have slot machine win-per-day performance that is greater than those in Atlantic City over the past 12 months.

 

(I'm neither a smoker nor a gambler, so I have no idea what those places mean in terms of context, or if they are cherry-picking results, or what.)

 

Right now, the question hangs in the air (much like something else), but I would hazard a guess that 20 or 25 years from now, after a generation of smokers have, um, "moved on", there might be a shift.  Maybe it will be the vape-crowd dominating the argument...

[mz-s]

I'd like to see Carnival start by swapping the smoking and non-smoking casinos on the ships that have two casinos.

[ontheweb]

1 hour ago, Purvis1231 said:

Right, We did not spend a lot time in the area but we had to walk through the casino to transit from the shops to the ocean plaza area. I know they designed it this way to get more people to play.

I don't specifically remember if it was Carnival or a different cruise line, but I do remember having to walk through the horrible smoke to get to the main dining room. Just a terrible design choice! 😢

[ontheweb]

37 minutes ago, Scurvy Seadog said:

The smoke free casinos in Delaware and in South Florida prove otherwise. Places are packed 24/7 and have been for well over a decade. I listened to this argument before New York banned smoking in bars and clubs. It was “Chicken Little Syndrome” everywhere. Everyone was going to go out of business and the world would come to an end. On the contrary, business doubled and smokers went outside to have satisfy their nicotine addiction.

And casinos in NY state are smoke free. None have been going broke because of that.

[ProgRockCruiser]

12 minutes ago, ontheweb said:

I don't specifically remember if it was Carnival or a different cruise line, but I do remember having to walk through the horrible smoke to get to the main dining room. Just a terrible design choice! 😢

On Carnival, most ships (MG is the only one different, I think?) have the casino on the Promenade deck (usually deck 5 - I can't find it on Vista on the deckplans, losing my mind...), while the MDRs are on decks 3 and 4.  You might find it convenient to walk through the casino to get fore/aft depending on where you are when you start your journey to dinner, but it usually isn't technically a requirement for reasonable access to the MDRs, in my experience.

 

EDIT2: just found the casino on Vista class is indeed on Deck 4, along with the upper level of the aft MDR, so you might have to walk through the casino for the "best route" to dinner if you start out at the fun shops on that deck, for example, and don't want to pop up to deck 5 first.

Edited June 27, 2022 by ProgRockCruiser
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[klfrodo]

Carnival Corp and the other cruise lines had the perfect opportunity to stop allowing smoking in the casino during the pandemic shutdown. Even when they restarted, smoking was prohibited in the casino.

 

For some reason (marketing, revenue, politics) the cruise lines made the business decision to once again allow smoking in the casinos after a 2-year hiatus.

 

This opinion/post is coming from a former smoker who would rather that they remained nonsmoking. Not necessarily for health reason (that ship has sailed) but I don't like the smell and it does kind of entice me to just take a hit and once that starts, it's downhill. However, I do recognize that it's their ship, their casino, their rules. If I don't like it, I'm free to do other things.

[silvercrikhix]

Non-smokers now have the entire rest of the ship, albeit 2 small dedicated smoking areas & some casino area. (Casino only indoor place left for them)  Smokers are left out in the bad weather … nobody complains about that. But yet you still harp and drone on & on. Bring it up over & over. Enjoy what you have already and quit trying to ram your opinion down everyone else’s throat. Take a.different route.  

Most recently on the Dream, and for example, there is a separate annex NS casino and also, half (which is often empty) of the larger casino…. still not enough to end the complaining. The smoke was hardly noticeable, it seems they have upgraded the air exchangers in the casino. 

And yes, some bars closed in my state when smoking was axed indoors. More importantly, what it really hurt was many establishments losing their lawful gambling areas…pull-tabs for example. This was due  to not enough business. The many charities who received the profits from lawful gambling lost a lot of income.  That is a fact. 
 

Don’t get me wrong here, I’m very sad that I’m probably too old to be on the planet when everyone quits smoking. I wish they would. The harping and drone will quickly and immediately turn to constant complaining about how extremely high your taxes go up. Smokers pay ALOT of taxes.
Be careful what you wish for. 

Edited June 27, 2022 by silvercrikhix