Teenagers causing damage to ship this week

[iuki]

19 hours ago, CruisingHogFan said:

Currently on Odyssey. We have sailed Royal for 20 years and have done spring break cruises many times over the years with no issues. Yes, lots of kids but no problems other than crowds. The overall ship, shows, food, and service have been excellent!
 

BUT the clientele is changing. Lots of rude families and large groups of teenagers causing issues every day. Apparently several families were forced to disembark in Aruba (one with $12,000 damage bill) and others have been locked in their cabins. We have seen people pushing scooters and older passengers out of the way, verbally abusing the staff. Several elevators have had the glass shattered and are not working now, security cameras have been broken around the ship, and apparently the teen area has damage. I left the casino at 2 am and there are still groups of teens ignoring the security officers tonight and running around the ship.
 

It’s sad that parents let their kids behave this way. Royal should adopt a zero tolerance policy and immediately kick the entire family off the ship if their kids are causing issues like this. I understand teenagers will be teenagers (we have a 13 year old) but causing property damage and assaulting older guests is not right.

Was this one of those special short cruises and/or kids sail free?  Our very first cruise was right after graduation and it was a 4-night cruise on The Big Red Boat in 1990.  This was a Disney cruise before Disney Cruise Line.  Disney was on contract with Premier Cruise Line.

 

At that time, cruise ships served alcohol to 18-year-olds in International Waters.  We didn’t sleep at all due to drunk teenagers making noise until the wee hours of the morning.  The waiters said drunk teens were passed out all over the ship.  We swore we’d never go cruising when school was out, because the waiters said it was always like that during summer and spring break, and we never have since that first cruise.

 

[Jasukkie]

I experienced similar behavior on a Yeshiva Week cruise on Anthem in 2018. I can look past a lot of stuff but little kids running down the cabin hallways banging on doors in the middle of the night is my tipping point. Not cute. These weren't even teens. Zero parental control. Also not cute is seating all the kids together at one table in the MDR while the parents are at another ignoring them. Kids standing on their chairs throwing pasta, yelling, etc. Parents didn't even turn around. 

 

I never book a holiday cruise and try to book more on the older ships now. Or on Virgin which is wonderful but quite a bit more expensive.

[John&LaLa]

1 hour ago, nwcruiselover said:

I haven’t been on a cruise where property damage has happened, but lately there seems to be more kids than ever on cruises, seemingly left to do as they please with no parental supervision.  What bothers me the most is kids running at top speed through the ship with no regard to people using walkers and canes or on scooters.  I haven’t seen anyone actually get hurt, but it’s very disturbing to see this happen. I wish the cruise line staff would address these issues.

 

Ok, but I'm also noticing a lot more scooter usage, and for many it might be there first time using one. 

 

I had to rent one once, and there is a learning curve for sure.

 

I'll leave it at that

[iuki]

14 hours ago, not-enough-cruising said:

KSF does not encompass this age group

True, but many times they have older brothers and sisters.  Have you seen some 12-year-olds?  Some look like 15.  Also, damage can be done by all-age groups.

[brevardcruiser]

There are a couple examples.  Who knows who actually broke them.  My wife and I personally saw several families disembark at Aruba with their luggage.  We said that’s odd.  Later we found out.  Also I didn’t video the fights in the seaplex with the teens.  We were too worried about removing our kids from the area.  Security is non existent and parents are too!! 

[pittnh]

13 hours ago, allyfree said:

It's all part of the RCCL culture to turn cruising into a holiday camp afloat ... we are D cruisers who went on Anthem last year (first time on a Quantum class) and hated it. So many of the amenities are geared towards a younger clientele which encourages them to become over-enthusiastic and wild ... and we're by no means old !

 

I don't sail often enough to say for sure, but I would think offering unlimited drinks for a set price encourages people to "get their money's worth", and then some.  Too much alcohol, without anywhere to go to at the end of the evening except your cabin is a potential for trouble.

 

Grant it, I didn't experience unruly teens, or much drunk behavior on my most recent cruise, but you would have to think that the alcohol package is a bigger risk for bad behavior

[ONECRUISER]

1 hour ago, Gifguy said:

 

 

Classic! My Aunt took me to this, she 18, I was 12yrs old. First non-Disney type Movie I saw. Was at a 1927 Palace type theater, had a stage, sat 1500, though rare have 100 for new movies. Dad took us there every weekend for Saturday Matinee. As was with my Aunt for Animal House(Rated R) and not a Parent the Theater MGR called my Dad to OK me watch it. One his questions I heard, "So you will take full responsibility your Son watching this Movie?"... Some this isnt a Joke, every Cruise observe Passengers lick fingers as they load their plates and even putting food back with bare hands! Then a couple walked in WJ week Masking ended, guy sneezed into his hands and said to his girl,"I almost need wash my hands again" this as he wiped hands on his pants while he continued on to serve himself Dinner

[ONECRUISER]

1 hour ago, iuki said:

True, but many times they have older brothers and sisters.  Have you seen some 12-year-olds?  Some look like 15.  Also, damage can be done by all-age groups.

That was my thought, Families all ages and save where you can... Funny thing happened first Cruise we took after my Wife passed. It was me, my 4yr old, 7yr old and my 12yr old. A least 2 dozen onboard thought my 12yr old Daughter was my Wife, Mother of her Siblings

[Pika8347]

2 hours ago, S.A.M.J.R. said:

Here's what I find "funny" about this thread...

 

Last year, I posted the "contract" that we had the teens (two 18yo and two 16yo) that we were taking on the cruise agree to.  It was basically, "behave", gave examples like don't push all the buttons in an elevator, dont make noise in the cabin hallways, don't accept drinks from others, attend dinner with us in the MDR, among others.

 

I was told it was too strict and I should "lighten up".  I don't think one poster backed me.  

Can you PLEASE share this????

[ReneeFLL]

10 hours ago, actuarian said:

…particularly if any of them were traveling with birth certificates instead of passports.

Now that would be funny. 😄

[ReneeFLL]

15 hours ago, CruisingHogFan said:

…I wish they would do away with the promos and increase prices well above Carnival. This is the first cruise in years we aren’t booking another cruise onboard. We have Allure and Icon already booked for later this year and next. If we have the experience of this cruise we will be looking a Celebrity as a step up.

They won’t raise prices more than they already have because that will start to eliminate more families. Royal is catering more to them otherwise they wouldn’t be building bigger and bigger floating amusement parks.

[sailor05]

Hopefully the new Icon class ships take some of these kids away from the others. I personally don't think I'll ever step foot on that class due to how much it is geared toward the younger crowd. My kids grew up cruising and I always had curfews for them and if one got in trouble, that was the end of their freedom for the remainder of the cruise.

[Mark_K]

11 hours ago, chengkp75 said:

Uh, no.  Most of the major cruise lines have specified that civil cases will be tried in federal xends at the 3 mile limit, and the US federal jurisdiction continues to the 12 mile limit.  The Florida Supreme Court has ruled that the state can exercise jurisdiction beyond the 3 mile limit, but this has not been tested as whether it is constitutional or not, and to the best of my knowledge has not been applied.

The Florida Supreme Court made those rulings because the law was applied, and the defendant appealed (unsuccessfully).

[twangster]

Youth have been damaging ships (and hotels) for decades.  Current policies exist because of previous transgressions.   Occasionally a dysfunctional family boards a cruise ship and stuff happens.  However that doesn't mean that ALL youth behave this poorly week after week, cruise after cruise or that it's a generational issue.  Bad parents have existed for decades too.   This can and does happen anytime.  It's not a spring break thing.

 

This sounds like one bad set of youth, maybe even one bad individual who influenced others to behave beyond their normal limits.  Hopefully the family belonging to the youth ring leader are put off the ship and have to pay for the damages as indicated.  

 

I've seen something similar happen and it wasn't during spring break.  A child around age 8 or 9 was in the habit of throwing a tantrum and would punch random people.  As it turns out one of those people included the staff Captain who happened to be walking through an area during a tantrum.  While this child didn't damage the ship their behavior was unacceptable.  The father of the child was himself a special individual who got into a heated exchange with the staff Captain over the incident.  They were confined to their cabin and put off in San Juan, the next stop.  It happens. 

 

Some people have little respect for others, people or property, and their children learn from the parents.  That has been happening for generations and will continue with future generations.  It's not about the current generation of parents and it's not a reflection of today's youth in general.  

[FamilyCruiserUK]

On 3/18/2023 at 10:18 AM, melbur said:

Kids sail free..., please stop this promo.  I've never experienced so many kids in the months following Xmas break as I have this year. Misbehaving, rude and pushy. I had 2 young teens at 4am harass me for any cash I had on me cause they wanted to go back to the arcade and had no money left.

Hellooo, parents?

No dont stop it. Plenty of us good parents out their who take responsibility for our childrens behaviour. Royal need to grow some spine and ban/kick off these trouble makers. 

[joe/jack]

On 3/18/2023 at 2:28 AM, CruisingHogFan said:

Currently on Odyssey. We have sailed Royal for 20 years and have done spring break cruises many times over the years with no issues. Yes, lots of kids but no problems other than crowds. The overall ship, shows, food, and service have been excellent!
 

BUT the clientele is changing. Lots of rude families and large groups of teenagers causing issues every day. Apparently several families were forced to disembark in Aruba (one with $12,000 damage bill) and others have been locked in their cabins. We have seen people pushing scooters and older passengers out of the way, verbally abusing the staff. Several elevators have had the glass shattered and are not working now, security cameras have been broken around the ship, and apparently the teen area has damage. I left the casino at 2 am and there are still groups of teens ignoring the security officers tonight and running around the ship.
 

It’s sad that parents let their kids behave this way. Royal should adopt a zero tolerance policy and immediately kick the entire family off the ship if their kids are causing issues like this. I understand teenagers will be teenagers (we have a 13 year old) but causing property damage and assaulting older guests is not right.

Just returned from this cruise 

This was a absolutely horrible seen

And people criticize Carnival 

Been on 30 cruises and never any thing like this 

Beautiful ship being destroyed by teenagers 

Guests spend a lot of hard earned money and don’t deserve this from 

parents that don’t give a s… what there kids are doing 

Very Say 

 

 

 

[GalvestonCruiserx3]

On 3/18/2023 at 5:25 AM, ZoeyVictoria said:

We were also asked for money from a random young teenage girl.  She would have paid us back later 😂. When did kids start asking strangers for cash?  Just wrong in so many ways!

When they started cash app and go fund me type sites.  They learn you don't have to actually work to earn money and you can just go begging strangers for it.

Edited March 19, 2023 by GalvestonCruiserx3

[GalvestonCruiserx3]

2 hours ago, twangster said:

Youth have been damaging ships (and hotels) for decades.  Current policies exist because of previous transgressions.   Occasionally a dysfunctional family boards a cruise ship and stuff happens.  However that doesn't mean that ALL youth behave this poorly week after week, cruise after cruise or that it's a generational issue.  Bad parents have existed for decades too.   This can and does happen anytime.  It's not a spring break thing.

 

This sounds like one bad set of youth, maybe even one bad individual who influenced others to behave beyond their normal limits.  Hopefully the family belonging to the youth ring leader are put off the ship and have to pay for the damages as indicated.  

 

I've seen something similar happen and it wasn't during spring break.  A child around age 8 or 9 was in the habit of throwing a tantrum and would punch random people.  As it turns out one of those people included the staff Captain who happened to be walking through an area during a tantrum.  While this child didn't damage the ship their behavior was unacceptable.  The father of the child was himself a special individual who got into a heated exchange with the staff Captain over the incident.  They were confined to their cabin and put off in San Juan, the next stop.  It happens. 

 

Some people have little respect for others, people or property, and their children learn from the parents.  That has been happening for generations and will continue with future generations.  It's not about the current generation of parents and it's not a reflection of today's youth in general.  

Agree!  My teenagers would NEVER act this way on a cruise.  As parents we set expectations and rules.  They break those rules, they deal with the consequences. 

[jean87510]

This is really sad to read this.  We encountered a lot of this on a 5 day Labor Day weekend cruise on Carnival from NYC last August.  Yes we were nuts for booking but we had to time it for 3 of our kids plus daughter's BF work and school schedule.  It was a double graduation present for 2020 HS graduation and my son's college graduation.  On the social media roll call, people were getting into fights online due to the reports of wild kids and the parents kept arguing hey they had 2 years of lock down, they are just letting off steam.  This was the Carnival Magic.  Multiple fights daily on pool deck, buffet, restaurants.  When I got up to go to get coffee around 5 one morning, the crew was cleaning up the ice cream fights from night before.  Kids ripped the tread barrier for the steps around pool deck that is used to prevent slipping.  Woman fell and I think broke an ankle.  Of course we had a great time but we wouldn't go near the pool deck.  My daughter said 2 people got in a fight in line for Guy's because the one parents kids cut in front of everyone.  There's more stories but it would take me a while to type.  Embarkation and Disembarking could have been made into a documentary on how not to behave in public.  And because I'm a glutton for punishment, I booked a 4 day Carnival in August out of Jacksonville.  Should be fun!

[CruisingHogFan]

25 minutes ago, joe/jack said:

Just returned from this cruise 

This was a absolutely horrible seen

And people criticize Carnival 

Been on 30 cruises and never any thing like this 

Beautiful ship being destroyed by teenagers 

Guests spend a lot of hard earned money and don’t deserve this from 

parents that don’t give a s… what there kids are doing 

Very Say 

 

 

 

I think it’s been our worst cruise in 20 years. We are strongly considering canceling our Icon sailing. Spoke with several bartenders and apparently there were issues the week before. 

[alfaeric]

1 hour ago, FamilyCruiserUK said:

No dont stop it. Plenty of us good parents out their who take responsibility for our childrens behaviour. Royal need to grow some spine and ban/kick off these trouble makers. 

It's always interesting to see how people extrapolate a handful of people to an entire population.  Especially when the population they extrapolate to isn't even part of the handful of people.

 

But people also like to quickly condemn.

[Anton]

I was on the Odyssey two weeks ago and there were several cracks in the elevator button panel glass on at least three elevators.  I observed it on embarkation day so it was pre-existing.  No, I didn’t take photos of it.  We had very few teenagers aboard and no problems from them.  

[CruisingHogFan]

2 hours ago, twangster said:

Youth have been damaging ships (and hotels) for decades.  Current policies exist because of previous transgressions.   Occasionally a dysfunctional family boards a cruise ship and stuff happens.  However that doesn't mean that ALL youth behave this poorly week after week, cruise after cruise or that it's a generational issue.  Bad parents have existed for decades too.   This can and does happen anytime.  It's not a spring break thing.

 

This sounds like one bad set of youth, maybe even one bad individual who influenced others to behave beyond their normal limits.  Hopefully the family belonging to the youth ring leader are put off the ship and have to pay for the damages as indicated.  

 

I've seen something similar happen and it wasn't during spring break.  A child around age 8 or 9 was in the habit of throwing a tantrum and would punch random people.  As it turns out one of those people included the staff Captain who happened to be walking through an area during a tantrum.  While this child didn't damage the ship their behavior was unacceptable.  The father of the child was himself a special individual who got into a heated exchange with the staff Captain over the incident.  They were confined to their cabin and put off in San Juan, the next stop.  It happens. 

 

Some people have little respect for others, people or property, and their children learn from the parents.  That has been happening for generations and will continue with future generations.  It's not about the current generation of parents and it's not a reflection of today's youth in general.  

It’s not one or two dysfunctional families anymore. It’s becoming way too common. I played in the casino again last night till about 1:30 in the morning. I went to get some pizza after and there were about 10 security officers on deck 4 because another group of kids got into it and trashed the area. It wasn’t a once or twice thing this week….

[PhillyFan33579]

On 3/18/2023 at 7:06 AM, superduper123 said:

I will be on the Vision in two weeks, and hope I don't experience anything like this. I have zero tolerance for rude and disrespectful behavior.

After booking, we realized the cruise falls over Easter, so although it's an older ship, and a longer itinerary, I expect there will be a good amount of families /kids/ spring-breakers. 

I think you will be okay. On the older ships, no matter what time of year, you usually don’t see too many kids on them. I have a couple of cruises on Grandeur in the next month. I am looking forward to a more relaxed, quieter cruise without too many kids.

[Eriksgarden]

We just came off Odyssey of the Seas.  The cruise was wonderful.  The service, amenities, crew were fantastic.  But what was NOT fantastic was the number of teens left to wander in groups and act like complete idiots by their parents.  Some kids vandalized the ship and they and their families were thrown off and will be billed for damages, but many more were not much better.  We saw it all and this is simply unacceptable.  The ships are not a playground nor a babysitter for horrible families that lack basic social skills and responsibility.  Sure, we encountered some great kids as well; mostly younger kids.