birth certificate thread #978345

[Elaine5715]

5 minutes ago, sparks1093 said:

The only "wrong" birth certificate for cruise travel is the hospital souvenir one. As long as it's issued by a government entity it's acceptable for cruising. Just guessing that the birth certificate submitted with the application for a passport was a short form certificate that didn't include the parent's names. If the photocopy is legible enough it should be accepted for the cruise (provided of course that it is the government issued one). 

 

19 hours ago, adventuredancer said:

no. i couldn't read every number and letter on the original before it got turned into passport people. 

Doesn't sound like it meets the minimum standard

[sanger727]

31 minutes ago, sparks1093 said:

The only "wrong" birth certificate for cruise travel is the hospital souvenir one. As long as it's issued by a government entity it's acceptable for cruising. Just guessing that the birth certificate submitted with the application for a passport was a short form certificate that didn't include the parent's names. If the photocopy is legible enough it should be accepted for the cruise (provided of course that it is the government issued one). 

 

An original birth certificate not accepted by the government for a passport seems very risky to try and travel with it. Clearly there was something wrong with it. If they live locally and want to chance it they can. I certainly wouldn't fly across the country on those odds. 

[adventuredancer]

17 hours ago, Purvis1231 said:

I have known it to work for others. I have relatives born in Texas and once they order one online and it came in a few days to another state

well she ordered it (or at least said she ordered it and paid for expediated) on March 23rd. 

[adventuredancer]

13 hours ago, icft said:

Perhaps I have missed or misunderstood something but the OP said, " her application for passport was denied because she supplied the wrong version of birth certificate. she waited almost 2 months to tell me and then request a new copy of her birth certificate (she says they kept the other one). she has a photocopy of the very very beat up birth certificate she turned in."

 

If what she sent in to get a passport was "the wrong version" it would appear to me what she sent in is not a valid birth certificate. So how would having either the original of something that is not accepted as a birth certificate by the U.S. government or a copy of that invalid document help anything?

 

Since the OP said, "she has a photocopy of the very very beat up birth certificate she turned in" and never mentioned a photo copy of any other document I assume it is a copy of the invalid document that is under discussion.

 

But they sound like Carnival's target new cruisers and Carnival will do everything possible to get them on board so they should take what they have and hope for the best.

according to the idiot, passport people required the long form and she supplied the short form. 
it says texas department of health bureau of vital statistics. it looks like a birth certificate here. 
 

[adventuredancer]

6 hours ago, sparks1093 said:

For a passport application a birth certificate must have the applicant's parent's names on it, which isn't the case for a birth certificate to be used for a closed loop cruise which only requires a government issued birth certificate in any form (long form, short form, small ID style, etc.). 

her birth certificate has the parent's names

[adventuredancer]

1 hour ago, sanger727 said:

The far more relevant issue here is that this birth certificate, that she has a copy of; wasn't accepted for her passport because it was the "wrong" birth certificate. So, likely it is also the "wrong" birth certificate for cruise travel. I'm guessing into the hospital certificate instead of the state certificate. No, you guys can show up and try but its very unlikely they will let you board.

no it says texas dept of health..... 

it looks like a real one

[adventuredancer]

25 minutes ago, sanger727 said:

 

An original birth certificate not accepted by the government for a passport seems very risky to try and travel with it. Clearly there was something wrong with it. If they live locally and want to chance it they can. I certainly wouldn't fly across the country on those odds. 

the port is in our home town. 

[sparks1093]

40 minutes ago, sanger727 said:

 

An original birth certificate not accepted by the government for a passport seems very risky to try and travel with it. Clearly there was something wrong with it. If they live locally and want to chance it they can. I certainly wouldn't fly across the country on those odds. 

Simply stated, the State Department has different requirements for what it will accept for a birth certificate, which has nothing to do with what DHS accepts for cruise travel. Two different departments. Two different requirements.

[sparks1093]

1 hour ago, Elaine5715 said:

 

Doesn't sound like it meets the minimum standard

It sounds like a legibility issue to me.

[sparks1093]

25 minutes ago, adventuredancer said:

according to the idiot, passport people required the long form and she supplied the short form. 
it says texas department of health bureau of vital statistics. it looks like a birth certificate here. 
 

 

23 minutes ago, adventuredancer said:

her birth certificate has the parent's names

These two posts are confusing and it could just be because the person you are conversing with doesn't know what she is saying, but a birth certificate with the parent's name on it is considered the long form. (And I note that the State Department only specifies that the parents name have to be on the birth certificate, it doesn't make any reference to "short form" or "long form", or at least it didn't the last time I looked at it.)

[adventuredancer]

so when she texted me on march 23, this is word for word what she said=

in nov when i started the passport process i figured it was just taking awhile but about halfway through Feb they send me a letter stating that i need a different type of birth certificate and so i sent the application for it right away to vital statistics in texas. then they like a week ago they send me an email asking for further documentation proving my identity even though the application was notorized. 

 

~~~now at this point, it was march 23 and this new birth certificate hadn't arrived. (personally i dont think she had even ordered it yet) and why would they ask for her to prove her identity again? i didn't think anything of it. i was just confused. my husband and some of his family were borne in central america. the idiot's mom is from mexico. he thought that maybe she wasn't here legally. 

back to the text=

 

i sent the info and am now waiting for the birth certificate. now i have to send that to the passport people and hope and pray it gets here on time. 

 

~~~i told her to have it expedited. she replied = 

 

ok so i changed my order to have a copy with it. so it's a certified copy. it should be here on time. and i changed to expedited. i had a short birth certificate. the one i need is long. 

 

 

 

 

so i am going to attach a photo of the photo copy of the birth certificate. in the photo, it actually looks much better than the original did. i did black out the names. except for father's first name. so this shows parent's names. i remember seeing the original. i don't know if it had a seal but it was rough. 

[adventuredancer]

21 minutes ago, sparks1093 said:

 

These two posts are confusing and it could just be because the person you are conversing with doesn't know what she is saying, but a birth certificate with the parent's name on it is considered the long form. (And I note that the State Department only specifies that the parents name have to be on the birth certificate, it doesn't make any reference to "short form" or "long form", or at least it didn't the last time I looked at it.)

it's not that she doesn't know what she is saying, she's an idiot and has always been a '' it will all work out''

[AtSeaWithChris]

Birth Certificate Information 

The following are acceptable: 

• An original or copy of a birth certificate issued by a government agency (state/county/city) or the Department of Health and Vital Statistics 
• A clear, legible copy (photocopy) of a birth certificate that was originally issued by a government agency (state/county/city) or the Department of Health and Vital Statistics. The copy does not need to be notarized or certified. 
• Birth Certificate Card
• A Consular report of Birth Abroad
• Internationally adopted children (under the age of 18): If the adoptive parent was not issued a birth certificate, we will accept as proof of citizenship, a Certificate of Citizenship by the U.S. and adoption paperwork. A Certificate of Citizenship is issued by the U.S. once the adoption is finalized.
• Guests may obtain a copy of a birth certificate by contacting: The Department of Health and Vital Statistics at: www.vitalchek.com. If the guest has laminated their birth certificate, it is acceptable.

 

Birth certificates from Puerto Rico issued prior to July 1, 2010 are not valid forms of proof of citizenship and are not accepted by U.S. Customs and Border Protection. Guests from Puerto Rico either need to present a WHTI-compliant document or a government-issued photo I.D. with a validated birth certificate issued after July 1, 2010.
 

https://www.carnival.com/help

[sparks1093]

29 minutes ago, adventuredancer said:

so when she texted me on march 23, this is word for word what she said=

in nov when i started the passport process i figured it was just taking awhile but about halfway through Feb they send me a letter stating that i need a different type of birth certificate and so i sent the application for it right away to vital statistics in texas. then they like a week ago they send me an email asking for further documentation proving my identity even though the application was notorized. 

 

~~~now at this point, it was march 23 and this new birth certificate hadn't arrived. (personally i dont think she had even ordered it yet) and why would they ask for her to prove her identity again? i didn't think anything of it. i was just confused. my husband and some of his family were borne in central america. the idiot's mom is from mexico. he thought that maybe she wasn't here legally. 

back to the text=

 

i sent the info and am now waiting for the birth certificate. now i have to send that to the passport people and hope and pray it gets here on time. 

 

~~~i told her to have it expedited. she replied = 

 

ok so i changed my order to have a copy with it. so it's a certified copy. it should be here on time. and i changed to expedited. i had a short birth certificate. the one i need is long. 

 

 

 

 

so i am going to attach a photo of the photo copy of the birth certificate. in the photo, it actually looks much better than the original did. i did black out the names. except for father's first name. so this shows parent's names. i remember seeing the original. i don't know if it had a seal but it was rough. 

If that is the copy she will be using for the cruise I suspect that she will be fine.

[Ferry_Watcher]

28 minutes ago, sparks1093 said:

If that is the copy she will be using for the cruise I suspect that she will be fine.

 

I agree with my friend, @sparks1093, with the caveat that (assuming she is currently using her married last name), that her first and middle name, as well as her date of birth match up with the first/middle name and date of birth on her gov't issued photo ID (Driver's license).

 

 

[wareaglefan444]

Last month my daughters 1/2 sister left her birth certificate in alabama and didnt realize it to the next day when getting ready to board in Jacksonville. They allowed her mom to text her a picture of the birth certificate and they took that 

Edited April 25, 2023 by wareaglefan444

[Ferry_Watcher]

OP, does your family member have a SENTRI Card?  If so, that should work.

 

As for having to submit additional paperwork to the passport folks, I remember reading about US born citizens, born in border states like Texas and AZ, who had Hispanic last names, but the birth was at home with a midwife (basically not in a hospital).  The parents of these kids had to provide additional proof that their kids were really born in the US.

[Ferry_Watcher]

9 minutes ago, wareaglefan444 said:

Last month my daughters 1/2 sister left her birth certificate in alabama and didnt realize it to the next day when getting ready to board in Jacksonville. They allowed her mom to text her a picture of the birth certificate and they took that 

 

Thank you for sharing! 

This scenario happens every cruise day in Seattle, and this is exactly how we handle it.  We print out a copy of the birth certificate, cross-check it with the gov't issued ID, assuming it all matches up, we embark the passenger and send them on to the ship.

[wareaglefan444]

15 minutes ago, Ferry_Watcher said:

 

Thank you for sharing! 

This scenario happens every cruise day in Seattle, and this is exactly how we handle it.  We print out a copy of the birth certificate, cross-check it with the gov't issued ID, assuming it all matches up, we embark the passenger and send them on to the ship.

gotta admit, i didnt think carnival  would allow it, but I'm glad I was wrong. It is good to see common sense prevail sometimes

[pinto18]

Years ago before I had a passport I cruised using what I thought was my birth certificate ( It says "Birth Certificate" at the top. It was only when I applied for a passport did I realize it wasnt a real one, it was the one issued at the hospital  ( the raised seal was just the name of the hospital) So..maybe we just got lucky that the person checking didn't look that carefully? But I used it for a few cruises..

[PlanoTim]

The Texas birth certificates (long form) that we got for our kids' passport applications at the local state or county office (don't recall which) don't have a raised seal.  But the paper does have a colorful watermark. 😀  So the raised seal may vary by state.

[adventuredancer]

1 hour ago, Ferry_Watcher said:

 

I agree with my friend, @sparks1093, with the caveat that (assuming she is currently using her married last name), that her first and middle name, as well as her date of birth match up with the first/middle name and date of birth on her gov't issued photo ID (Driver's license).

 

 

they aren't married so that isn't a problem.

[adventuredancer]

1 hour ago, Ferry_Watcher said:

OP, does your family member have a SENTRI Card?  If so, that should work.

 

As for having to submit additional paperwork to the passport folks, I remember reading about US born citizens, born in border states like Texas and AZ, who had Hispanic last names, but the birth was at home with a midwife (basically not in a hospital).  The parents of these kids had to provide additional proof that their kids were really born in the US.

she says she was born in the hospital. 

personally i think there is more to the story than what she is telling us

[Purvis1231]

54 minutes ago, adventuredancer said:

she says she was born in the hospital. 

personally i think there is more to the story than what she is telling us

I agree, getting a birth certificate isn't that complicated. For me, when I buy a cruise, I make sure I have my documents in order long before sailing. 

[zorky12]

Daughter is cruising in a few weeks. She is taking a friend that doesn’t have a passport. Her friend does have her original birth certificate. It’s blue with her details on it with seal. Is this ok or does she need like a certified paper  one that has a notary stamp on it?